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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297?s=19 That persons vote is worth more than mine.
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That lady is a great argument for the complete denuclearization of our military and planet.
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Jan 16, 2020 19:33
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That Works posted:Wouldn't this also set up a situation where you could potentially "buy" votes with a 'wink wink' payment of penalties? Unlikely, because the cost would be about 100 times the average cost per vote from the last presidential election.
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joat mon posted:Unlikely, because the cost would be about 100 times the average cost per vote from the last presidential election. Im just curious what the math works out to be, because being able to buy FL in a national election is huge.
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A Bad Poster posted:So what you're telling me is that a lot of B-b-but Iowan tears... Lol. I do agree that there should just be a national primary day though. fknlo posted:That persons vote is worth more than mine. Move to Wyoming.
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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1217870524832874497 Neat... Hopefully this fizzles out and it's not the tip of an iceberg of crazy. I am so glad I don't have to be downtown on Monday
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:B-b-but Iowan tears... What are they going to do? Not vote at all? That'll help them. Or they'll all switch parties because the other side will go "oh we will give you your own special voting day and also an ice cream cake and a $10 off coupon to Cedar Point!"
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Best Friends posted:They are genuinely horny to live in a right wing dictatorship. So horny that they are willing to pretend Trump of all people is a genius God-King. It's this and anyone who says different is flat loving wrong
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297?s=19 I hate all you pretentious elites telling me how to vote based on my best interests
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A Bad Poster posted:What are they going to do? Not vote at all? That'll help them. Or they'll all switch parties because the other side will go "oh we will give you your own special voting day and also an ice cream cake and a $10 off coupon to Cedar Point!" Frankly I don't care what they do. Make it a federal law that the first tuesday of May is primary day for all parties. Six months before the election go shake all the bullshit out and pick your pawns. Also make it (and election day) a holiday and mail out ballots prior so people can research candidates for poo poo they didn't realize was up for election. Or just... burn it all down? Yeah, that feels like the right answer here, no coupon to a third rate theme park required when you bring a mob.
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Jan 16, 2020 19:52
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hobbesmaster posted:"All terms of their sentence" is in what was voted on. Term means time. Conditions of sentence are fines. This is 100% a republican supreme court ensuring that felons are not granted the franchise.
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A Bad Poster posted:I think the intent of it was that being a convicted criminal does not take away your right to vote. Really nothing should aside from being incapable mentally, or denouncing citizenship. They include people in prisons on the census. People who are court ordered (either through family court, or criminal court) to be in inpatient psychiatric centers are allowed to vote.
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EBB posted:The implementation is BS no matter what because, demographically, prison is made up of people who are least likely to be able to pay the exorbitant penalties imposed along with legal defense. This is a poll tax because it will disproportionately affect a disadvantaged section of the population. If bloomberg really wanted to shake things up, I know what he could spend money on. But he doesn't.
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EBB posted:The implementation is BS no matter what because, demographically, prison is made up of people who are least likely to be able to pay the exorbitant penalties imposed along with legal defense. This is a poll tax because it will disproportionately affect a disadvantaged section of the population. The policy is inherently classist regardless of implementation, but as implemented it also has a bonus of being grossly racist given current criminal justice outcomes. Criminal financial penalties shouldn't exist period except as a percentage of wealth.
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Also, in florida if you are unable to pay fines/fees they are often converted to civil judgments. These will have to be paid to regain the franchise. They wouldn’t be converted if someone had the ability to pay them, so a significant number of felons will continue to be disenfranchised. I would hope that the SCOTUS would hear the case, but I doubt they do or overturn it.
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Just want to blanket state that I think disenfranchisement is bullshit.
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I’m OK with currently incarcerated people not being allowed to vote as part of their punishment, but it absolutely should not be disallowed post-release. Also the census needs to count prisoners in their actual home area and not where the prison is located for the purposes of determining representation.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Frankly I don't care what they do. Not sure how making it a holiday helps as the people who work the lowest paying jobs are the least likely to have Federal Holidays off.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also, in florida if you are unable to pay fines/fees they are often converted to civil judgments. These will have to be paid to regain the franchise. They wouldn’t be converted if someone had the ability to pay them, so a significant number of felons will continue to be disenfranchised. Don't forget the 30-40% increase for converting to civil. I doubt SCOTUS has jurisdiction, as a practical matter.
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SimonCat posted:Not sure how making it a holiday helps as the people who work the lowest paying jobs are the least likely to have Federal Holidays off. I'd rather have the day off for voting than because of some assholes' saviors' made up birthday.
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SimonCat posted:Not sure how making it a holiday helps as the people who work the lowest paying jobs are the least likely to have Federal Holidays off. It'll still help some people. People that work for some local, county, or state governments can be allowed to take either 1 hour or 2 hours off of the workday to vote. Also, depending on if a person has a union job or not, they might be able to get time and a half for working that day if they're forced to work and can't take off because their job is deemed essential. It would also help out teachers immensely.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:I'd rather have the day off for voting than because of some assholes' saviors' made up birthday. The only holidays I know of that really cause stores to close down are Thanksgiving and Christmas. Beyond that the only way I notice is that the Post Office isn't open. It's like when HW Bush died and a holiday was declared. The only people who really could take advantage of it were Federal workers. My solution is to make early voting easier. Why should it have to be centered around on specific calendar day when you can send in the your vote either by mail or electronically? SimonCat fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jan 16, 2020 |
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Jan 16, 2020 20:34
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more early voting, more polling places, more mail in
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Flying_Crab posted:I’m OK with currently incarcerated people not being allowed to vote as part of their punishment, but it absolutely should not be disallowed post-release. Also the census needs to count prisoners in their actual home area and not whether the prison is located for the purposes of determining representation. Eh, I don't like the idea of murderers being able to vote but if there are enough people in jail to swing an election then your society has bigger problems
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Eh, I don't like the idea of murderers being able to vote but if there are enough people in jail to swing an election then your society has bigger problems Hey guess what
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Jan 16, 2020 20:47
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Official election holiday, but it's called trump day
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Ok, but only if its more like Guy Fawkes day and we burn him in effigy.
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A Bad Poster posted:Hey guess what Yeah also never forget that prisoners are counted apportionment and districting purposes which results in districts where there's a representative representing thousands of people but elected by only the 50-100 prison guards who live nearby.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1217909231946477575 I can just picture him yelling at anyone in his near area about this, adding some dumb, stupid shi- https://twitter.com/betsy_klein/status/1217907254688657414
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Mr president please stop touching yourself in front of the children
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joat mon posted:Unlikely, because the cost would be about 100 times the average cost per vote from the last presidential election. Still would be a better use of Bloomberg/Steyer's money than a vanity presidential run if they really wanted Trump to lose. Is paying off somebody's fines tax deductible?
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This is a charity to help Floridians regain their voting rights by paying off fines and court fees. Court Fees are 100% not part of a sentencing, but oh well. https://connect.clickandpledge.com/Organization/frcceducationfund/campaign/amendment4fund/Donation/
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1217909231946477575 He's too stupid to realize just how embarrassing he is
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I.. what? Does he think that because they're adjourned until tuesday that they've already ruled him guilty? The loving brain worms on this moron of ours would be impressive if he was only in charge of a tonka toy set.
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Flying_Crab posted:I’m OK with currently incarcerated people not being allowed to vote as part of their punishment, but it absolutely should not be disallowed post-release. Also the census needs to count prisoners in their actual home area and not where the prison is located for the purposes of determining representation. Why would you be ok with that knowing the huge racial disparities in our system? Minorities are more likely to be arrested for the same crimes, more likely to be charged for the same arrests, more likely to be convicted for the same charges, and more likely to get longer sentences for the same convictions. Disenfranchising incarcerated people is racial disenfranchisement in the US.
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Reminder that possession >20g of marijuana in the state of Florida is a felony. People are obligated to pay public defender fees and other court fees before they can get their right to vote restored. Fees are not and have never been a part of a sentence before this.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why would you be ok with that knowing the huge racial disparities in our system? Minorities are more likely to be arrested for the same crimes, more likely to be charged for the same arrests, more likely to be convicted for the same charges, and more likely to get longer sentences for the same convictions. Disenfranchising incarcerated people is racial disenfranchisement in the US. That’s a great point. That’s kind of where I was going with prisoners needing to be counted in their home area for census/redistricting purposes, although that doesn’t really help with statewide elections.
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