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V. Illych L. posted:straight-up national chauvinism You're still allowed to say fascism, at least for a few months.
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V. Illych L. posted:it's not going to happen, this is kabuki to keep hold of the racist vote - there is no way solberg didn't clear this with jensen, and they've done this sort of thing before Dunno, would be funny to see Listhaug throw all caution into the wind and decide to copy Boris , and drive the party off road, just to bump Jensen off and becoming the leader, proclaiming herself Anders Lange incarnated.
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Rincewinds posted:Dunno, would be funny to see Listhaug throw all caution into the wind and decide to copy Boris , and drive the party off road, just to bump Jensen off and becoming the leader, proclaiming herself Anders Lange incarnated. listhaug is a good culture warrior, but she's far too lazy to be leadership material. a listhaug-led frp would be a huge boon to everyone but the right
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Jan 16, 2020 15:19
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Yes, Listhaug as a leader would alienate people, especially the parties in the middle, so I dont think Jensen wants her as a successor, but part of me thinks Listhaug is cynical enough to screw over everyone else just to gain a legacy, even if it's not a successful legacy.
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Jan 16, 2020 15:29
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idk i've never seen listhaug as particularly ambitious and she's been a bit of a klutz in her handling of her responsibilities as deputy. she thrives on attention and adoration, she doesn't need to be leader to get those (the necessary compromises and likely lack of support from the business-oriented faction would probably serve to undermine the latter, actually). there were good reasons for solberg and jensen's strategy of rapprochement, and those haven't gone away - if anything they're now more pronounced with the death of the centre-right parties
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V. Illych L. posted:idk i've never seen listhaug as particularly ambitious and she's been a bit of a klutz in her handling of her responsibilities as deputy. I looked it up and she has changed her minister post six times in six years. It seems like Siv and Erna is desperately trying to placate her by giving her important jobs and she keeps loving it up.
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Jan 16, 2020 18:01
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she did her job in agriculture, which was making a ton of noise to put the farmers' associations on the defensive while the government hosed them through new inheritance rules, paving the way for increased dominance of commercial farming over time in what is probably this government's biggest actual political success (because it's a death warrant for SP as it was - now that SP isn't really dependent on small-scale farmers anymore it's less important). justice takes a lot of work, the immigration post was obvious poo poo and she was a ludicrously bad fit for popular health and the elderly and i genuinely don't understand what they were thinking there apart from horne being massively crap. now the issue is that energy also takes a lot of work, in principle, but because there's so much money involved she can almost certainly fob off policymaking to various lobby agencies, and turning oil into a culture war is a very good move for the right. labour seems commendably reluctant to take the bait, probably having learned part of their lesson from the ACER debacle, but we'll see how it goes - unless frp really does end up leaving, in which case i will lol heartily
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Jan 16, 2020 18:18
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Let's hope she fucks up driving one of those old amcars next time she is on a pilgrimage to the US.
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Since Listhaug as health minister was brought up, I'm just going to jump at the opportunity and post this picture. 
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V. Illych L. posted:
She was minister of justice for three months before she was faced with choice of resigning or getting a vote of no confidence. She's that incompetent.
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whoever thought that yes, *public health and the elderly* is the place to put our strongest media performer deserves a wedgie tbf she probably hoped she could go around playing tribune and bullying local politicians and then she got utterly humiliated by that dude in... hammerfest? I can't remember exactly vardø, it was vardø https://www.nrk.no/finnmark/kranglet-med-ordforer-_-listhaug-forsvarer-stuntet-1.14032232 this is great cringe V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 16, 2020 |
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V. Illych L. posted:whoever thought that yes, *public health and the elderly* is the place to put our strongest media performer deserves a wedgie He/she deserves a loving medal. That poo poo was hilarious.
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Jan 16, 2020 19:18
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Being Minister of Justice for this government is kind of like drumming for Spinal Tap.
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Groke posted:Being Minister of Justice for this government is kind of like drumming for Spinal Tap. one thing that's stood out to me is how many of frp's top politicians are just assholes like, not all of them, i can see having a beer and a civilised conversation with e.g. jon georg dale, but every single frp minister of justice just comes off as completely unlikable and personally vicious in a way which isn't really replicated anywhere else as far as i can tell. yes, SV-ers are sanctimoneous and V-people are hopeless dweebs etc, but frp has a shockingly high proportion of loathsome individuals on its front bench
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Yes, well, like any party they have to recruit politicians from that crowd of people who are not only willing to vote for them but also to join and be active members of the party organization, so there you go.
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Soc dems in denmark has now emphasized that they going to be the 'children's party', always putting the health of the children above anything. Normally, I'd be: "Great! Get some good ol' welfare state free lunches for the school kids, start funding after school activities for the non-wealthy again, and let's stop the trend of having to pay through the nose for a good kindergarten which isn't 200% above capacity". However, with the current social democratic party it is 100% going to be a weird eugenics progamme, where they take kids away from poor parents, or muslims, depending on who they hate the most that day, because of *IMPORTANT REASONS* and it's going to be neoliberal hellscape with the commodification of parental discipline via more fines, and losing social benefit for parents who might need help, which the state can then take children away from because they can't afford them.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Soc dems in denmark has now emphasized that they going to be the 'children's party', always putting the health of the children above anything. Normally, I'd be: "Great! Get some good ol' welfare state free lunches for the school kids, start funding after school activities for the non-wealthy again, and let's stop the trend of having to pay through the nose for a good kindergarten which isn't 200% above capacity". However, with the current social democratic party it is 100% going to be a weird eugenics progamme, where they take kids away from poor parents, or muslims, depending on who they hate the most that day, because of *IMPORTANT REASONS* and it's going to be neoliberal hellscape with the commodification of parental discipline via more fines, and losing social benefit for parents who might need help, which the state can then take children away from because they can't afford them. are they gonna bring back any danish ISIS kids
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I know this isn't quite about Scandi-pol, but what the hell is this thing about people being divided into 4 colors? https://medium.com/@Soccermatics/how-swedes-were-fooled-by-one-of-the-biggest-scientific-bluffs-of-our-time-de47c82601ad quote:Around the same time, qualified psychologists began reporting how clients were considering leaving their partners because, “I can’t possibly live with a yellow person”. Am I just living in a bubble and have luckily missed all this nonsense?
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Jan 17, 2020 01:18
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nah colour-coding personality test nonsense (it used to be myers-briggs, nowadays it's usually colours or big five) has been HR astrology for a long time. since american HR practices are increasingly supplanting scandinavian leadership traditions (since that's what they teach at the business schools) it's becoming increasingly popular here as well it's nonsense, but a lot of people do buy into it
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this specific instance is probably just a charismatic quack psychologist managing to leverage a broader phenomenon into shilling books - skimming that article, they hilariously fail to criticise the social ideologies that give the groundwork for such, being stuck in a different nonsense cult, namely that of Big Data
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It's 100% idiotic garbage for morons. Comically, even big international 'professional' companies use those reductionist, comedy hour, arm-chair psychologist test for recruitment. I've even seen associate professors use it as part of their "research" which speaks aeons to how the universities have fallen to people who are good networking and getting funding, but can barely read, let alone understand, actual theory and science. Cand merc students learn about it because it's part of the most dumbed down nonsense, american style textbooks that students like and cheap overworked teaching assistants can figure out how to teach. They then go out into the world and use it for managerial purposes in municipalities and consultancies etc., it's completely laughable.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Soc dems in denmark has now emphasized that they going to be the 'children's party', always putting the health of the children above anything. Normally, I'd be: "Great! Get some good ol' welfare state free lunches for the school kids, start funding after school activities for the non-wealthy again, and let's stop the trend of having to pay through the nose for a good kindergarten which isn't 200% above capacity". However, with the current social democratic party it is 100% going to be a weird eugenics progamme, where they take kids away from poor parents, or muslims, depending on who they hate the most that day, because of *IMPORTANT REASONS* and it's going to be neoliberal hellscape with the commodification of parental discipline via more fines, and losing social benefit for parents who might need help, which the state can then take children away from because they can't afford them. My ex GTFO'd childcare because it's literally just a matter of time before a kid dies due to understaffing. They walked back that election promise almost immediately. They're also refusing to get rid of the benefits ceiling that impoverished tens of thousands of children, but it's okay, they get a commission to look at benefit distribution (without touching the funding). And being The Children's Prime Minister® means separating more kids from their parents. In a system where the Copenhagen municipality managed to make errors in literally every single case. V. Illych L. posted:are they gonna bring back any danish ISIS kids No. Like I said, they're gonna make them non-Danish and leave them behind. Bringing ancestral sin back in style.
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McCloud posted:I know this isn't quite about Scandi-pol, but what the hell is this thing about people being divided into 4 colors? Holy poo poo, the Pocket Shop in Stockholm C advertised this book for what felt like a year straight. I’d pass it every day and saw that it was rave reviews and it just seemed like yet another boring pop psych book? I didn’t know that anyone was actually using it in decision making. Hell I don’t think I even saw anyone read the book. Thankful that I work for a company based out of Australia, which has its own host of issues (I legit have 3 hours of a quiet inbox per day), but this isn’t even on my offices’ radar. Probably because the English edition isn’t publicized and I’m one of the very few that can speak Swedish. Hooray unintentional gatekeeping. Pop psych isn’t AS big a thing in US HR in the past decade or so in my experience, but the ones that go for it go VERY hard for it. Usually most play along if it’s mandated from higher ups, and don’t take real stock in it as a serious thing, as I assume Swedes would as well. I’ve personally never experienced it within a professional setting, but then again my line of work wouldn’t have too much use for it anyhow, as it’s super workflow dependent. Hooray publication production.
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Whatever happened to that law that mandated every ghetto resident (this is now a legal term in Denmark), must raise their children to be “Danish” by spending most (all?) of the value of a benefits check on day care and the like? Because it sounds an awful lot like step two will be tossing every brown child into a foster system. If we do not have boarding schools again by the end of Frederiksen’s term, I will be surprised.
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A former colleague who works in HR had to do one of those DiSC tests as part of the hiring process once, and they told her with a completely straight face that they "really needed a green person to complete this team". This was a private company, but this model is also peddled to the public sector, so tax money is being spent on training public sector employees in identifying their blue team members or whatever. https://twitter.com/c_dahlstrom/status/1205402207509725184
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Police just being able to wade into people's homes and search their computers etc. due to terrorism has very loving eerie historical parallels. Countdown until anyone remotely identified as a socialist or intellectual or critic is systematically rounded up and "re-educated". And even though the libertarians and conservatives should be all up in arms about this blatant breach of private property and insane overreach of government power, they've been veeeery quiet. Almost as if they approve of this authoritarianism... To people outside of Denmark, let me remind you that basically everything about everyone is registered in a central system somewhere, available to just about the whole public system (and all the private subcontractors) including law enforcement etc. and exempted by the GDPR. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jan 17, 2020 |
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KozmoNaut posted:exempted by the GDPR. IIRC, the GDPR explicitly removed legal hurdles to running different registries against each other, so more like working as intended. See also the new algorithmic evaluation of the unemployed (which, unsurprisingly, is racist).
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McCloud posted:I know this isn't quite about Scandi-pol, but what the hell is this thing about people being divided into 4 colors? Hard bubble. The best-selling book was like a virus in 2018 and it snuck into a lot of HR-departments decision-making processes because HR-people are — predominantly — the worst. The writer scored millions doing speeches in the public sector which is about when the backlash started.
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MiddleOne posted:Hard bubble. The best-selling book was like a virus in 2018 and it snuck into a lot of HR-departments decision-making processes because HR-people are — predominantly — the worst. Not just HR people, it's a very cheap and easy crutch for mediocre team-building consultants. Basically you can just use that book, make some extremely rudimentary tests, and then sell it to employers. Speaking as a person who had a one day team-building excercise last year led by consultants who pretty much based the entire day on having the team self-identify as "colours" and then just talk about it. Basically the only good about it is that it can be a tool for some to realize that people can react to the same situation in different ways. Some might feel boxed in and understimulated when they don't get to talk a lot in meetings, some might get frustrated when there are not enough clear directions while others like loose guidelines, etc. That can be a good thing, to realize that your colleages acting different than you doesn't make them wrong or bad. To not get frustrated that someone might talk more than you, or less than you, and simply to be a bit more accepting of different behaviour. The bad thing is that it can lead to very simplified views of why we react differently, and the whole horoscope "well Scorpios are like this, while Capricorns are like this!" part. In the worst way it might make people assume that others should always react in a specific way in all situations, and make faulty assumptions of what someone is capable of doing in a team etc. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 17, 2020 |
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^are people seriously so autistic and retarded they cant understand basic human behavior??? am i going insane
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lilljonas posted:Basically the only good about it is that it can be a tool for some to realize that people can react to the same situation in different ways. Some might feel boxed in and understimulated when they don't get to talk a lot in meetings, some might get frustrated when there are not enough clear directions while others like loose guidelines, etc. That can be a good thing, to realize that your colleages acting different than you doesn't make them wrong or bad. To not get frustrated that someone might talk more than you, or less than you, and simply to be a bit more accepting of different behaviour. The above is of course very different from "Yeah, we're gonna need 345% yellow, and 75% more red to balance out the team. Or like you said, assuming the colors can tell you what people are capable of. You could probably also the same effect in an easier and cheaper fashion.
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's a pretty loving good grift when you can just go around and sort people into arbitrary bullshit categories and get paid for it, which I guess is 90% of why people are doing it. I wouldn't really mind if it weren't for the staggering amount of public money being spent on these astrology for businesses schemes. The money people like him charge for talks and courses is insane.
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Wild Horses posted:am i going insane
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Fader Movitz posted:I wouldn't really mind if it weren't for the staggering amount of public money being spent on these astrology for businesses schemes. The money people like him charge for talks and courses is insane. You mean 1/3rd of an annual salary to talk for 60 minutes isn't kosher? 
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And the Free Press Society's free speech award goes to... Violent nazi hooligan Stephen "Tommy Robinson" Yaxley-Lennon. 
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In a ceremony held at loving Christiansborg. We're supposed to be blocking hate preachers from entering the country, not praise them.
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