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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Why would you make that move at that time? MDM in the 3GS era was waaaaay worse than BES at the the time. It was well after the 3GS era, my company was run by cheapskates and didn’t particularly care about MDM.
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How noble! But wait til he finds out 7Zip is free and works well.
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DariusLikewise posted:I miss when Blackberries were good for like a year and a half I still think that as an email/contact/phone device, the Blackberry is the best device. Not just then, but even now I think it is better than anything else. In my mind, the device software was gotten to a good working state at a very early version and since that point, a team of about 12 nerds just spent all their time working out ways to tweak it to perfection, adding in little bits to make the experience more intuitive/faster for power users with every release. They each wanted to get internal bragging rights for shaving a single keypress off any workflow. Of course, phones now need to do a lot more than just email, which is why they lost. But compare their keyboards where you could reliably enter an obscure extended character in <3 presses without looking at the device with my latest&greatest Samsung where the @ symbol on the keyboard changes location depending on what app you're using, loving up any kind of muscle memory. Bargearse posted:The most satisfying moment of my career was when we migrated from Blackberry to the iPhone 3GS, and I took the box hosting Blackberry Enterprise Server out behind the warehouse and put a sledgehammer through it. Of course, I am speaking from the user's viewpoint and not one of the poor sods who had to support BES.
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Shut up Meg posted:I still think that as an email/contact/phone device, the Blackberry is the best device. As a pure business tool, they were fantastic devices from the users point of view. In retrospect BES wasn’t that bad to manage, just that the company I was working for at the time kind of dumped it on me as an extra duty without the benefit of training.
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Bargearse posted:As a pure business tool, they were fantastic devices from the users point of view. In retrospect BES wasn’t that bad to manage, just that the company I was working for at the time kind of dumped it on me as an extra duty without the benefit of training. Ah. I never had to use BES myself, but I heard a lot of admins give the impression that it was the spawn of the devil. I did use the desktop version, which had some amazing sync capabilities (customisable mapping of the contact card fields for example). The only isse was that anytime you wanted to sync your phone, you had to toss a coin to see if it would work. (Heads: it fails. Tails: it fails. Edge: it syncs)
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now that Windows 7 is a tech relic, as I discovered by a nag screen earlier today https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/ was working as of a few hours ago when i did it
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I spun up a Windows XP Pro + SP3 VM today for programming a specialized PLC/RTU. It's still being sold new, but the IDE software support stops at XP. Great. Edited to add: And it still doesn't work thanks to some isaGRAF serial fuckery.
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I'm running a Windows 7 VM because Xilinx ISE doesn't work in windows 10 and they won't let their newest software program spartan 6 FPGAs.
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I did a format+reinstall last night to switch from 7 to 10. Even on a completely fresh install I was able to just punch in the Windows 7 key I bought in 2009 and it activated fine. It seems like any vaguely valid key is good enough for them.
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Retail key or OEM key? Because there is a big difference.
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The Fool posted:Retail key or OEM key? Because there is a big difference. I just used a key I got from MSDN or technet or whatever.
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 I used a Technet Windows 7 Professional key I got for free when I was still in school (well before Win 10 came out) to activate Win 10 on my new system back in July. I've also recently installed Win 10 from scratch on an old workstation (quad-core Westmere) and the OEM Windows 7 Professional key from the sticker on the case activated Windows 10 Pro just fine.
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The Fool posted:Retail key or OEM key? Because there is a big difference. I really don't remember, it was whatever was cheapest on Newegg at the time. Probably OEM, maybe not.
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Mr.Radar posted:
Does like this exist anymore? I don't remember how I got it in the first place, but I'm pretty sure it was because I was a student in some sort of computer related major I think. I wouldn't mind collecting some more windows keys.
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Cojawfee posted:Does like this exist anymore? I don't remember how I got it in the first place, but I'm pretty sure it was because I was a student in some sort of computer related major I think. I wouldn't mind collecting some more windows keys. I think the specific program I got it through was MSDN Academic Alliance (MSDN-AA). I got Visual Studio, Windows XP, Windows 7, and a bunch of other expensive Microsoft dev tools for free. It looks like the program still exists, rebranded as Microsoft Azure Dev Tools for Teaching (which is the most Microsoft name possible), though Microsoft's requirements for proof you're a student seem a bit stricter now than I remember them being back then. However, it looks like the Technet software downloads for non-students are gone (and a non-student TechNet subscription was mega expensive; IIRC it was always something you'd get as a benefit of being a corporate IT drone instead of something you'd buy for yourself) but oh well; I got what I needed v  v (and to be fair these days the free version of Visual Studio is just fine for hobby developers and grey-market Windows keys are dirt cheap).EDIT: I'm going to embed that Microsoft naming/branding video just so it doesn't get lost in my links since it's both relevant to the thread and still very funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k EDIT 2: It's really weird to scroll down and see Youtube comments that are 13 years old. 
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Even in the days of Win95 and Win98, an upgrade edition just wanted the first disk of a full, prior Windows version. It certainly didn't have to be installed first.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Even in the days of Win95 and Win98, an upgrade edition just wanted the first disk of a full, prior Windows version. It certainly didn't have to be installed first. Stop ruining my joke.
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I should really update my Windows 7 install to 10, but I only use it to play games so haven't bothered yet. I did throw a blank HDD in it and installed Windows 10 back in 2016 or whenever the free upgrade was being promoted, so I don't expect to have to enter a key at all - the hardware hash should automatically register the install. I also desperately need to build a new computer, so doing too much work on this one is hard to muster motivation for.
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I have a spare PC a friend games on when he comes over once a week that runs Win 7. Tried both an upgrade to 10 and a complete reinstall and in either case Windows will just hard lock after a random amount of time. There's some part of my setup that 10 just hates so I'm stuck with Win 7 on that box.
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Gromit posted:I have a spare PC a friend games on when he comes over once a week that runs Win 7. Tried both an upgrade to 10 and a complete reinstall and in either case Windows will just hard lock after a random amount of time. There's some part of my setup that 10 just hates so I'm stuck with Win 7 on that box. If you can figure out that issue - let me know please! I've been having trouble with a specific system and it's making GBS threads me off. I've done installs of win10 on all sorts of stuff over the years with zero issues upgrading or clean installs, but this one loving doing my head in.
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The Fool posted:Retail key or OEM key? Because there is a big difference.
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Since we're on the topic: what's the relationship between a microsoft account and being able to install/upgrade 10? I ask cause I have a win7 laptop that I did the free upgrade to 10 when the offer was on. I just did a flatten/install of 10, using MCT. If I want to sell it on ebay, can I do the MCT install again, not use my MS account and the new owner can still get activated on 10 using a new a/c?
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I'm pretty sure microsoft accounts don't have anything to do with windows licenses and upgrade/installs. They're just an additional thing to (And are in no way required, but windows hides the non-microsoft-account user setup more every time I install windows, it seems like.) You can just run a full factory reset on it (and wipe the drive(s).) and it'll be fine / keep the license you had on it, no sweat. The system is meant to support multiple users with separate accounts on the same pc too, so it would be strange if it bound licenses to it.
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Just in case somebody wanted to know... A win OEM 7/8/8.1 key will activate a new clean install but will only accept the key as a manual post-install key insertion ("change my key"), same with windows 7/8/8.1 retail(if you plan to use automation with powershell after a zerotouch install to activate those keys, you cannot)... Only a OEM windows 10 key will install and activate with no user interaction required(like a zerotouch reinstall).
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Shut up Meg posted:Since we're on the topic: what's the relationship between a microsoft account and being able to install/upgrade 10?
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SubNat posted:I'm pretty sure microsoft accounts don't have anything to do with windows licenses and upgrade/installs. Nope, if you associate your Microsoft account with your windows activation it means next time you install windows you don’t need to bother activating, you can just log in to your Microsoft account and then activation will happen. I’ve done it a bunch of times on reinstalls and hardware changes. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-re-activate-windows-10-after-hardware-change Relevant stuff is about halfway down the page.
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GutBomb posted:Nope, if you associate your Microsoft account with your windows activation it means next time you install windows you don’t need to bother activating, you can just log in to your Microsoft account and then activation will happen. I’ve done it a bunch of times on reinstalls and hardware changes. Huh! I stand corrected then. Good to see they do something of use.
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Yeah, it was pretty cool/surprising to see my desktop anime waifu background and system colors after building a new desktop and logging into my MS account.
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SlowBloke posted:Just in case somebody wanted to know... A win OEM 7/8/8.1 key will activate a new clean install but will only accept the key as a manual post-install key insertion ("change my key"), same with windows 7/8/8.1 retail(if you plan to use automation with powershell after a zerotouch install to activate those keys, you cannot)... Only a OEM windows 10 key will install and activate with no user interaction required(like a zerotouch reinstall). A couple of months ago I was able to punch in a fresh out of the box Win7 Home OEM key during the initial install of Windows 10 (1809 I think).
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Bargearse posted:The most satisfying moment of my career was when we migrated from Blackberry to the iPhone 3GS, and I took the box hosting Blackberry Enterprise Server out behind the warehouse and put a sledgehammer through it. We had a customer that got BES for a 9 user office.
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SlowBloke posted:Just in case somebody wanted to know... A win OEM 7/8/8.1 key will activate a new clean install but will only accept the key as a manual post-install key insertion ("change my key"), same with windows 7/8/8.1 retail(if you plan to use automation with powershell after a zerotouch install to activate those keys, you cannot)... Only a OEM windows 10 key will install and activate with no user interaction required(like a zerotouch reinstall). I just did 3 of them, clean installs, put Win7 Pro OEM key from the case sticker in during installation, and it showed as activated after it was done. One of them was a 32bit install replaced with a 64 bit one (might get more ram for that computer soon - it's only got 2GB.
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Maybe it's a localized version issue, our hp OEM codes will never activate if we do the key entry on install(win 7) or if we attempt to have it read from bios(win8.x). 🤷♂️
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I couldn’t find this thread yesterday when I watched. The receiver permanently falling was great, and the mention of The 8 Bit Guy always makes me think of the YTP video of them both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIXOH1tJJu4
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EL BROMANCE posted:I couldn’t find this thread yesterday when I watched. The receiver permanently falling was great, and the mention of The 8 Bit Guy always makes me think of the YTP video of them both. I've had quite a week, and that genuinely made me laugh! Thankyou.
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Humphreys posted:I've had quite a week, and that genuinely made me laugh! Thankyou. That channel is exclusively about the relationship between the two of them, but that’s my favorite. Although the one uploaded a few days ago about them in their cars was great too. E: also that Mat usually replies on the comments is nice, I wouldn’t want anyone upsetting him but he’s got pretty thick skin it seems, as his own fans can be pedantic pains in the rear end.
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