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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
That's another god drat piece of poo poo thing that will need fixing this year.

e: 83F is what it would be in my house if I didn't undertake emergency interdiction on the thermostat. Then probably 83C.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 16, 2020

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume the british antarctic bases are still using 40 year old equipment which needs 40 year old programming languages to function.

Much like when I went to college in 2006 and the physics department computer was a BBC micro.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



airports in antarctica are utter shite

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
a lot of MPs listed ijn the replies

https://twitter.com/CrankyOutrider/status/1217889522815504384?s=20

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1217751492901257221?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

He looks like he's just seen some very disenchanting words for genitalia.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1217834489096867841

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Adrian Chiles' entire career has been one long nervous breakdown

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Here's a few suggestions:

OwlFancier posted:

I assume the british antarctic bases are still using 40 year old equipment which needs 40 year old programming languages to function.

Much like when I went to college in 2006 and the physics department computer was a BBC micro.
Same but for chemistry and a few years earlier, but it could interface with pH probes and thermocouples with just a handful of passive components instead of a £400 capture device, and there was over 15 years of software that had been written for it by students long graduated for everything from data logging to drawing electron shells as a statistical plot, so it made some sense over a late 90s winbox.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume that's why physics had the micro too, given that they mostly used it to plug the light gates into.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

OwlFancier posted:

I assume the british antarctic bases are still using 40 year old equipment which needs 40 year old programming languages to function.

Much like when I went to college in 2006 and the physics department computer was a BBC micro.

wonder when antarctica becomes a legit option for data centers? and how long before it's the only option available.

this will be my steaming hot take of choice whenever possible benefits of the climate crisis are discussed

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

wonder when antarctica becomes a legit option for data centers? and how long before it's the only option available.

this will be my steaming hot take of choice whenever possible benefits of the climate crisis are discussed

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/07/23/the-data-center-at-the-south-pole

quote:

What's it like to operate a data center at the South Pole?
The Ice Cube Neutrino Observatory maintains a small data center in Antarctica, where it harvests neutrinos for scientific research. The dense ice at the South Pole makes the neutrinos easier to detect and collect. But it's not a favorable environment for maintaining a data center.
At OSCON, software consultant John Jacobsen discussed the Ice Cube project, operating a data warehouse in a remote location that's inaccessible for months at a time, and the challenges of operating a 150 server data center at the southernmost place on earth.
One irony: A warm day at the South Pole is 20 below zero, and the Ice Cube data center still faces cooling problems. NOTE: may load slowly, also currently featured on Slashdot. This video runs about 9 minutes, 45 seconds. (Video in link)

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Bobstar posted:

I object!

Schiphol is great. Mainline trains right under the concourse. One-terminal airport so no silly little trains. Fancy CT scanners so laptops and liquids can stay in your bag. No forced slalom through duty-free. Seats at baggage claim.

But I do spend far too much time there, so maybe I'm just immune.

I'm intrigued to hear why you dislike it :)

Edit: now Moscow Sheremetyevo, there's a crappy airport. Airside feels squished, barely anything there, nowhere to sit. And I have to change planes there next month.

Granted on the duty-free thing. Otherwise;

Whenever I've gone there I've been herded into boring tiny waiting areas with nothing to do or see or even buy, once there wasn't even a vending machine. Even wandering around the concourse before that, it's just a dreary place that seems to lack anything to actually do, even compared to little regional airports I've been elsewhere.

I don't know why the Dutch are so terrified but I go through more security checks there than anywhere else.

Seats there are uniquely uncomfortable for some reason?

(It's never my last stop so train links and seats at baggage claim aren't a plus for me but fair enough!)

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



sebzilla posted:

Goondolences.

Have you started making satisfied noises when you get to sit down, yet?

When I was a kid I thought that was the most annoying, obviously put-on thing adults did. Now that I am myself in my 30s, I have learned my folly, lol

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Harvesting neutrinos sounds like a couple orders of magnitude more frustrating than herding cats.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Guavanaut posted:

Harvesting neutrinos sounds like a couple orders of magnitude more frustrating than herding cats.

you're saying this like we were still stuck in the ante-blockchain era

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

OwlFancier posted:

I have to wonder why people have such strong feelings one way or another about the labour leadership candidates cos I know basically gently caress all about any of them.

What the hell makes starmer a "strong leader" he's not led anything yet.

I think he played a pretty big role in Labour moving to second referendum position, he might well be a 'strong leader' in the competent behind-the-scenes politicking work us plebs don't see. From a non-Westminster perspective he's done some Human Rights resume building but that's about it, the anti-brexit stuff is the closest he's come to meaningful leadership.

I know it's form letters but it feels so tedious that Labour send all this stuff when you rejoin, their algorithm or just email history must know full well I'm only rejoining for the leadership selection and will send them a snarky bitch email resigning membership about free speech again the moment it's done. There's enough people that give Labour money each month but deliberately reject membership that it should be a thing in their system.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

you're saying this like we were still stuck in the ante-blockchain era
A currency based on something that scarcely interacts with reality sounds very Brexit.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Guavanaut posted:

Harvesting neutrinos sounds like a couple orders of magnitude more frustrating than herding cats.

Very true, but how else are we going to armor our starships?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Surely that would be neutrons, armour plating that only occasionally intersects with solid matter seems dubious.

Which of course means that BAE will somehow get a contract to put it on the new aircraft carrier.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 17, 2020

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Guavanaut posted:

Harvesting neutrinos sounds like a couple orders of magnitude more frustrating than herding cats.

still, we will be bound for the reload

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1217948213405196289?s=21

An obvious pickup for RLB, but still an important one. Also gives some context to her latest column about the importance of expanding British democracy.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

still, we will be bound for the reload

this is a reference I did not expect to see today

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Guavanaut posted:

A currency based on something that scarcely interacts with reality sounds very Brexit.

neutri-coin, awarded to miners that log separately confirmed individual neutrino detections. or rather, doesn't

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Aramoro posted:

Was it even a question that Momentum would back the Continuity Corbyn Candidate?

I voted no on the deputy mostly as a protest against the way Momentum approached this whole thing. They're pissing off a lot of their members with this undemocratic poo poo, and something is going to have to change soon. "Do you agree to rubber stamp the decisions we made on your behalf" is not a reasonable way to run that poll.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Might be being a bit obtuse here but I don't really see the need for Momentum to make decisions democratically, because its only source of actual power is having a bunch of members. Someone kind of needs to direct the left bloc, and the Momentum leadership stepped up, but as soon as they start making decisions that members disagree with (or the organisation otherwise outlives its usefulness or becomes toxic) the members will stop following it & it no longer has any power. Any vehicle whose only source of power is a whole bunch of people completely voluntarily choosing to follow it is intrinsically democratic, regardless of how it makes decisions or is structured.

That doesn't mean that they were in the right here, where the "correct" deputy endorsement was ambiguous, but certainly wrt RLB I can't see the benefit of having a big ol' "campaign-within-a-campaign" song and dance when it's really obvious who the socialist choice is.

E: grammar

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jan 17, 2020

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Nah you're right, either the leadership has the authority to decide who to back or they don't, this kind of post facto consultation is the worst way to handle it.

Basically I think things like the election loss and UNISON backing Starmer have a lot of the left spooked about how fragile their control of institutions still is so are yelling about needing to have the final say about everything rather than letting representatives say for them.

oxford_town
Aug 6, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

What the hell makes starmer a "strong leader" he's not led anything yet.

he led the CPS and was director of public prosecutions for 5 years, which - IIRC - is more of an established 'leadership' role than any of the other candidates have had.

no track record of political leadership (again, none of the others do either).

i know you're all going to call me a centrist melt for this, but I really struggle to see RLB as having broad electoral appeal. starmer, for all his faults, was supposedly coming up on the doorstep a lot in those 'traditional labour' areas as someone people would like to see as leader (versus Corbyn, at the time).

edit:

Vitamin P posted:

I think he played a pretty big role in Labour moving to second referendum position, he might well be a 'strong leader' in the competent behind-the-scenes politicking work us plebs don't see. From a non-Westminster perspective he's done some Human Rights resume building but that's about it, the anti-brexit stuff is the closest he's come to meaningful leadership.

he did more than this as DPP. Here is his predecessor praising the job he did.

Within my professional remit, the guidance on assisted dying he led the development of was a very sensible framework within the constrains of the existing law - that alone I think was a good piece of legal policymaking.

oxford_town fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jan 17, 2020

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

oxford_town posted:

he led the CPS and was director of public prosecutions for 5 years, which - IIRC - is more of an established 'leadership' role than any of the other candidates have had.

no track record of political leadership (again, none of the others do either).

i know you're all going to call me a centrist melt for this, but I really struggle to see RLB as having broad electoral appeal. starmer, for all his faults, was supposedly coming up on the doorstep a lot in those 'traditional labour' areas as someone people would like to see as leader (versus Corbyn, at the time).

edit:


he did more than this as DPP. Here is his predecessor praising the job he did.

Within my professional remit, the guidance on assisted dying he led the development of was a very sensible framework within the constrains of the existing law - that alone I think was a good piece of legal policymaking.

Bluntly the concern is that he's institutionalised into the Westminster system and the dominant mode of politics in the UK which means he'll get monstered by the press while refusing to properly challenge the structures which undermine Labour and it's a repeat of Ed Miliband while also allowing if not overseeing a purge of left radicals from the party which is its only chance of survival going forward. His gestures to the right show he's not willing to fight against them and as we've seen the right wing cannot be negotiated with, one side has to be in control.

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022
Did the commons vote on an NHS amendment for more funding yesterday? A lot flying round on social media about my uometown mp making a maiden speech about funding the nhs then voting against this exact thing but I can't find a reliable source which I want before I give him grief about it.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Borrovan posted:

Might be being a bit obtuse here but I don't really see the need for Momentum to make decisions democratically, because its only source of actual power is having a bunch of members. Someone kind of needs to direct the left bloc, and the Momentum leadership stepped up, but as soon as they start making decisions that members disagree with (or the organisation otherwise outlives its usefulness or becomes toxic) the members will stop following it & it no longer has any power. Any vehicle whose only source of power is a whole bunch of people completely voluntarily choosing to follow it is intrinsically democratic, regardless of how it makes decisions or is structured.

That doesn't mean that they were in the right here, where the "correct" deputy endorsement was ambiguous, but certainly wrt RLB I can't see the benefit of having a big ol' "campaign-within-a-campaign" song and dance when it's really obvious who the socialist choice is.

E: grammar

I think the main reason to do it is to keep people onside really, rubber stamping/block voting etc don't really do that. Labour have 5 years of wilderness to roam around in and they really need to start pulling in the same direction. The elect-ability or not of any leadership candidate right now is entirely pointless as they're not going to be tested until 2025.

That why I feel the momentum strategy of 'our way or the highway' is not going to work to turn the party around at this stage. Not that it matters too much up here, I'll be surprised if we're still in the UK in 2025.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Nobody felt like sleeping ever again, did they?

https://twitter.com/visualsatire/status/1218113521172590592

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

OwlFancier posted:

What the hell makes starmer a "strong leader" he's not led anything yet.

It's the knighthood.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Borrovan posted:

Might be being a bit obtuse here but I don't really see the need for Momentum to make decisions democratically, because its only source of actual power is having a bunch of members. Someone kind of needs to direct the left bloc, and the Momentum leadership stepped up, but as soon as they start making decisions that members disagree with (or the organisation otherwise outlives its usefulness or becomes toxic) the members will stop following it & it no longer has any power. Any vehicle whose only source of power is a whole bunch of people completely voluntarily choosing to follow it is intrinsically democratic, regardless of how it makes decisions or is structured.

You realise this is as much an argument for there being no need for internal democracy in the Labour party, right? I mean, its power is in being a mass movement. If its members disagree with the choices the leadership make they can always go join a different party...

Momentum's value is in being a coordinating body for the left. That's the point of it, to organise the radical wing of the party into a voting bloc that can effectively influence the party as a whole. With that in mind, what does it mean to "stop following it"? It means to split, splinter, to cease being effective. Or set up a competing organising body.

Borrovan posted:

That doesn't mean that they were in the right here, where the "correct" deputy endorsement was ambiguous, but certainly wrt RLB I can't see the benefit of having a big ol' "campaign-within-a-campaign" song and dance when it's really obvious who the socialist choice is.

Contrariwise, if RLB is so naturally the choice, if there's no chance that she would lose the vote, why delegitimise her by making it a coronation? A vote might be a opportunity for division and in-fighting, but it's also a chance to formally secure full seal and sanction for Long-Bailey. Not holding one robs her of that.

From a cynical, machinist point of view, a choice where your preferred option can't possibly lose is the best possible time to hold a vote, because all it's going to do is make your position unassailable. You get to enjoy all the pageantry of democratic involvement without any of the downsides.

This is a cock-up for a candidacy that really cannot afford too many cock-ups.

namesake posted:

Basically I think things like the election loss and UNISON backing Starmer have a lot of the left spooked about how fragile their control of institutions still is so are yelling about needing to have the final say about everything rather than letting representatives say for them.

Definitely.

oxford_town posted:

i know you're all going to call me a centrist melt for this, but I really struggle to see RLB as having broad electoral appeal. starmer, for all his faults, was supposedly coming up on the doorstep a lot in those 'traditional labour' areas as someone people would like to see as leader (versus Corbyn, at the time).

Uh. So, having done a fair bit of door-knocking myself, the number of voters who can name a member of the shad cab is a tiny fraction. The number that could name one that isn't McDonnell or Abbott is a vanishing fraction of that. The idea that there exists out there a statistically significant portion of the electorate that a) know who Starmer is and b) like him well enough that him being in charge would flip their vote stretches credulity past breaking point.

And, like, nobody knows what a Starmer leadership looks like. That they might vote for whatever imagined version of that is in their heads doesn't mean they'll vote for the actual thing, which is inevitably going to be much messier and more compromised.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Want to escape Brexit Britane?

Job vacancies on Antarctica (and support in Cambridge). (One for Fortran!! I thought that was long dead! I did that at uni over 40 years ago!)

https://www.bas.ac.uk/jobs/vacancies/

absolutely insane that a field guide responsible for the safety of antarctic expeditions, for which a required prerequisite is 'being a loving extremely experience mountaineer', gets paid only 24k a year while some dumbass marketing manager is on 3x that

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

oxford_town posted:

he led the CPS and was director of public prosecutions for 5 years, which - IIRC - is more of an established 'leadership' role than any of the other candidates have had.

no track record of political leadership (again, none of the others do either).

i know you're all going to call me a centrist melt for this, but I really struggle to see RLB as having broad electoral appeal. starmer, for all his faults, was supposedly coming up on the doorstep a lot in those 'traditional labour' areas as someone people would like to see as leader (versus Corbyn, at the time).

edit:


he did more than this as DPP. Here is his predecessor praising the job he did.

Within my professional remit, the guidance on assisted dying he led the development of was a very sensible framework within the constrains of the existing law - that alone I think was a good piece of legal policymaking.

You're talking about electoral appeal as if pure electoralism is a useful or even viable approach for Labour as things stand. The fundamental problem we saw is a loss of faith that parties and governments can help people, coupled with the press making it clear that their goals are nakedly partisan. 'Which candidate looks electable' is the wrong question. The main objective should be to help people outside government and convince them that elections can be useful in the first place.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

ThomasPaine posted:

absolutely insane that a field guide responsible for the safety of antarctic expeditions, for which a required prerequisite is 'being a loving extremely experience mountaineer', gets paid only 24k a year while some dumbass marketing manager is on 3x that

Labour cannot be paid its full value comrade.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005



Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

wonder when antarctica becomes a legit option for data centers? and how long before it's the only option available.

this will be my steaming hot take of choice whenever possible benefits of the climate crisis are discussed

No where is safe

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/19/arctic-stronghold-of-worlds-seeds-flooded-after-permafrost-melts

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


oxford_town posted:

i know you're all going to call me a centrist melt for this, but I really struggle to see RLB as having broad electoral appeal. starmer, for all his faults, was supposedly coming up on the doorstep a lot in those 'traditional labour' areas as someone people would like to see as leader (versus Corbyn, at the time).
Nobody atm has broad electoral appeal, we're kinda hosed. The fight at the moment is to make sure the Party stays sympathetic towards socialist ideals, so that we've still got a vehicle for change if the left manages to organise suffiently outside of the Party to change the electoral climate.

Honestly I'd have been tempted to back a unity candidate for the single loving week after the election before the Labour right pulled their knives out & started making up counterhistories, but it's fairly clear that anyone but a socialist will just capitulate further and further to the right and the press, since they won't be happy with anything short of the second coming of Blair. gently caress that.

Also, what Kogahazan said.

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

You realise this is as much an argument for there being no need for internal democracy in the Labour party, right?
Nah, the Labour Party has institutional power beyond its membership. That's why the melts spent 5 years trying to oust Corbyn instead of just setting up their own party, with blackjack & hookers. (except for the ones that did lol)

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

Contrariwise, if RLB is so naturally the choice, if there's no chance that she would lose the vote, why delegitimise her by making it a coronation? A vote might be a opportunity for division and in-fighting, but it's also a chance to formally secure full seal and sanction for Long-Bailey. Not holding one robs her of that.
Because of the division and infighting, and handing the press a stick to beat Momentum with (notice how they've pretty much ignored whatever the Government does since the GE, because omg there's leftist infighting going on). It's not a coronation, because all Momentum can do is politely ask its members to vote for their candidate - cf the actual election, which gives actual power, which is where the legitimacy comes from. That being so, I just don't see the advantage.

Although yeah as Aramoro said, this was probably a bit of a gently caress up just because it could piss off the members. I just don't accept the validity of the "Momentum is undemocratic" arguments, regardless of its structures and processes

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Nobody felt like sleeping ever again, did they?
This is art
https://twitter.com/visualsatire/status/1214819067934203904

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