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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s probably the best game I played in 2017. You’ll love it unless you have that weird goon allergy to open world games. I do have weird goon things but allergies to open world games is definitely not one of them. In fact, I think a lot of my faves are all open worlds... STALKER series, AC Origins/Odyssey, even WoW.
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Same. Open world games are my favorite.
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Jan 17, 2020 20:56
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Ciaphas posted:don't spoil it I won't. I'm also amazed because I thought the dude just sucked and it was a goon thing, but apparently it's more then that.
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Jan 17, 2020 20:57
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HZD is great, and even if you don't care for open world games you can ignore most of the open world icon hunt stuff which is what I did.
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Jan 17, 2020 20:59
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I would never trust a used graphics card post-bitcoin tbh, even if it's an insane deal.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:00
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Grapplejack posted:I would never trust a used graphics card post-bitcoin tbh, even if it's an insane deal. oh was that the reason it was so cheap? yeech gross
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Jan 17, 2020 21:02
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Remotely modern Nvidia GPUs are not in any way harmed by mining. I would happily buy Nvidia GPUs from a miner, they're going to have been babied far more than a GPU from a gamer. Newer AMD GPUs generally aren't harmed either, except that unlike Nvidia GPUs they can be flashed with a mining BIOS (to reduce power usage and make them more efficient) and it can be a pain to find the right one to flash back. The real thing that would concern me is that newer games are starting to show big architectural gains for Turing vs Pascal, so the value proposition on 10-series GPUs is really starting to fall off.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:15
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Same. Open world games are my favorite. I love open world games, but for whatever reason any time one that isn’t RDR2 is mentioned in an SA thread someone will jump in to call it an Ubisoft-style mess. (I also happen to love most Ubi games, but anyway) Done right, an open world game can be a lot of fun. Done wrong, you have RDR2, where it’s a bunch of stuff made to waste your time for no reward.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:19
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It's not an allergy so much as it is a fatigue. There's so many big open world games with meaningless checklists to fill that it's easy to burn out on them as a concept if you don't carefully pick which ones to play.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:31
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I love open world games, but for whatever reason any time one that isn’t RDR2 is mentioned in an SA thread someone will jump in to call it an Ubisoft-style mess. (I also happen to love most Ubi games, but anyway) I feel like that post was fine-tuned to trigger somebody.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:31
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not an allergy so much as it is a fatigue. There's so many big open world games with meaningless checklists to fill that it's easy to burn out on them as a concept if you don't carefully pick which ones to play.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:34
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The only open-world games I ever really played much of were the Elder Scrolls and Shadow of Mordor series. I liked Elder Scrolls for the mostly messing around with mods and I liked Mordor for the nemesis orc system, and neither of those qualities are available in most open-world games. I've tried the assassins' creed set in Italy way back in the day but found the combat super shallow and the stealth was real unimpressive compared to batman-style predator rooms or the Shadow of Mordor orc weakness / strength stuff to mix fights up. When it came out I heard HZD was good but didn't really pay much attention to it since it was console-only. Does it have stuff that makes it good besides lizard-brain checklist mapsweeping?
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Jan 17, 2020 21:38
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Cowcaster posted:wait are 1080's really going for $200 these days? i paid $300 for a 1060 during the bitcoin boom, dammit Yeah. The bitcoin thing has mostly settled down now that GPU’s mine less than they cost to run. The other thing affecting prices is that RTX didn’t light the world on fire, so higher end 10xx cards are still really good if you don’t care about RTX.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:41
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Grapplejack posted:I would never trust a used graphics card post-bitcoin tbh, even if it's an insane deal. Cowcaster posted:oh was that the reason it was so cheap? yeech gross Nvidia cards that were used for mining generally aren’t a problem. They have limits to their ability to be overclocked. AMD cards are the risk if they’ve been used to mine. Their BIOSes can be replaced with modified ones that remove the frequency limits and they can be run at any speed that won’t outright crash them, some of those speeds are high enough to damage the card.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:44
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I feel like that post was fine-tuned to trigger somebody. I assure you, my hatred of that turd is genuine.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:48
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I assure you, my hatred of that turd is genuine. RDR2 is cool and good and tickles my frontiersman fantasy in just about every way. I'm sorry that it's not for you, my friend.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:51
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Unless you need high FPS 4K or do VR, most things over a 1080 are pretty overkill No. 1440p already puts the 1080 to her limits with quite a few engines and games. I currently have 1080/3700x setup with 2k/4k output and engines like Capcoms RE, most of Ubisoft, obvsl. RDR2, Witcher 3, etc are very limited by the GPU.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:53
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Yeah, 4K can't really be compared to 1080p. It requires four times the GPU performance for the same framerate, roughly. A 1080 can handle 4K, but not at max settings.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:57
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Kinda bummed that this thread is so casually spoiling the part of Horizon Zero Dawn where you play Marry,gently caress,Kill with The Sun King, Ted Faro, and The Huge Robot Brontosaurus.
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Jan 17, 2020 21:57
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K8.0 posted:Remotely modern Nvidia GPUs are not in any way harmed by mining. I would happily buy Nvidia GPUs from a miner, they're going to have been babied far more than a GPU from a gamer. Newer AMD GPUs generally aren't harmed either, except that unlike Nvidia GPUs they can be flashed with a mining BIOS (to reduce power usage and make them more efficient) and it can be a pain to find the right one to flash back.
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Jan 17, 2020 22:00
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Cowcaster posted:oh was that the reason it was so cheap? yeech gross enjoy that baked-in libertarian smell
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Jan 17, 2020 22:02
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I got a 580 just now and it runs Jedi Fallen Order maxed, I don't ask for much, really. Most of the time you can, like, kill some weird feature and get enough frames to hit 60/1080 on most midrange cards anyway.
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Jan 17, 2020 22:04
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Deakul posted:RDR2 is cool and good and tickles my frontiersman fantasy in just about every way. Every time I was almost about to have fun, the game would end up doing something that got in my way and drove me nuts.
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Wasn't the whole point of allowing raytracing on non-RTX cards because the 10xx series is basically just as powerful otherwise? So in one way it proves the RTX has something to offer, and in another way it kinda depreciates the 10xx stuff because now you can't max things out anymore (because the max settings involve raytracing now) and people get upgrade fever?
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SirSamVimes posted:How's the new Goku game? I was curious so I checked out a stream of some gameplay and the English voice acting was awful. I haven't watched DBZ since elementary school so I don't know if it's in line with newer versions of the show, but it just sounds like bad acting. I don't plan on getting the game so I didn't watch long enough to judge gameplay.
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SirSamVimes posted:How's the new Goku game? I still haven't fought Radditz but so far I would say eh. When fighting you have a dash/dodge button, a punch button, a ki blast button and can do 3 special moves, I've spent most of my time picking up various orbs in the overworld that I will eventually be able to upgrade super moves with and fighting that pirate robot from dragon ball. Until the game suddenly does something that will blow my mind I say wait for a sale unless you're a hardcore dragonball fan.
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Mzbundifund posted:The only open-world games I ever really played much of were the Elder Scrolls and Shadow of Mordor series. I liked Elder Scrolls for the mostly messing around with mods and I liked Mordor for the nemesis orc system, and neither of those qualities are available in most open-world games. I've tried the assassins' creed set in Italy way back in the day but found the combat super shallow and the stealth was real unimpressive compared to batman-style predator rooms or the Shadow of Mordor orc weakness / strength stuff to mix fights up. Horizon Zero Dawn has a really strong central storyline and a much deeper combat system than most open-world RPGs. The world itself is also quite compact and doesn't really demand that you participate in clearing out each possible activity.
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exquisite tea posted:Horizon Zero Dawn has a really strong central storyline and a much deeper combat system than most open-world RPGs. The world itself is also quite compact and doesn't really demand that you participate in clearing out each possible activity. As far as map sweeping goes, though, the vantage points are a must. They fill out the backstory some and have a really well-written story of their own.
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baka kaba posted:Wasn't the whole point of allowing raytracing on non-RTX cards because the 10xx series is basically just as powerful otherwise? So in one way it proves the RTX has something to offer, and in another way it kinda depreciates the 10xx stuff because now you can't max things out anymore (because the max settings involve raytracing now) and people get upgrade fever? “Just as powerful” is just a statement about performance at a given price point. If Turing didn’t have RT or tensor cores, the cards would cost less and we would have seen a more typical generational performance/price gain. The theory I’ve seen is that Turing was originally developed for 10nm, so NVidia was banking on a reduced due cost to help give them a price-point performance increase. The 10nm process didn’t pan out, but when the bitcoin boom proved that gamers would pay more for cards they decided they could run with 12nm. On buying used: I wouldn’t worry too much about mined AMD cards either if you’re buying on eBay or from other sites with similar buyer protections. You have 45 days to initiate a return, and any sort of undisclosed issue is good enough to initiate a return, regardless of the seller’s claimed policy (so long as the item is marked “pre-owned” instead of “for parts”).
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I remember the first times I saw a Thunderjaw or a Stormbird in HZD and was like “Oh that’s pretty big better start sneaking around it” and then I sneaked for a bit and realized I was actually still really far away and realized they were actually really loving big.
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gently caress Ted Faro and congrats pc people you get one of the best open world games ever. It's so fun to just gently caress around and explore and fight in that game and they were judicious enough in how much they put in that even my lazy, ADD having, backlog filling rear end 100%ed it.Kibayasu posted:I remember the first times I saw a Thunderjaw or a Stormbird in HZD and was like “Oh that’s pretty big better start sneaking around it” and then I sneaked for a bit and realized I was actually still really far away and realized they were actually really loving big. Stormbirds always did that to me, cause like they fly which makes judging it harder. First time I even thought it was one of the vulture bots but then I realised the shape was off and oh poo poo that thing has like a 20m+ wingspan poo poo gently caress poo poo
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Stickman posted:“Just as powerful” is just a statement about performance at a given price point. If Turing didn’t have RT or tensor cores, the cards would cost less and we would have seen a more typical generational performance/price gain. Well what I mean is the new cards that were released weren't showing much of a performance bump over a 1080 or whatever, in terms of what a 1080 could already do, so people weren't compelled to spend all that cash on 5% more FPS or whatever, which ain't good for sales The real extra performance and capability was kinda gated behind RTX features, which didn't exist to 10xx owners - but by allowing raytracing on those cards, which ran badly, it basically showed everyone what they were missing and how they weren't seeing their games at their full potential. Like unlocking an Ultra setting for everyone that they can't actually use. You can turn it on and get a taste, but now high performance is out of reach, unless you upgrade... 
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Ugly In The Morning posted:As far as map sweeping goes, though, the vantage points are a must. They fill out the backstory some and have a really well-written story of their own. Hell, I liked that stuff more than the survivalist's logs in New Vegas, which is a pretty high bar to clear. I'm assuming Gonzalez wrote both, so he really outdid himself there.
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baka kaba posted:Wasn't the whole point of allowing raytracing on non-RTX cards because the 10xx series is basically just as powerful otherwise? So in one way it proves the RTX has something to offer, and in another way it kinda depreciates the 10xx stuff because now you can't max things out anymore (because the max settings involve raytracing now) and people get upgrade fever? Basically the performance gap between generations kept on getting smaller and smaller to the point where they more or less just came up with RTX as the major selling point for the new generation. So, yes, you're right.
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A 1080ti can brute force raytracing as well as a 2060 does it with RTX, but the frame rates are more variable on the 1080 The 20xx gen is weird. I’m just holding out for the 30xx cards
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baka kaba posted:Well what I mean is the new cards that were released weren't showing much of a performance bump over a 1080 or whatever, in terms of what a 1080 could already do, so people weren't compelled to spend all that cash on 5% more FPS or whatever, which ain't good for sales Could you stop repeating that (and that RTX cores take up all the space, it's about 5% iirc) The 2080 is a whopping 40% faster on average than a 1080 in conventional games. You can take umbrage that's it's not sold at a similar price point due to being a massive chip/7nm not being ready or whatever was behind the decision to use a special node. But the performance bump is absolutely there, and RTX is not a big factor. The 1660ti is just as humongous for a midrange chip, all 12nm Turings are.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I feel like that post was fine-tuned to trigger somebody.  It's like the polar opposite of my personal preferences, but hey, to each their own. I think the thing I hate most is popping open a big map and there's just loving greebles and whatsits all over it to mindlessly collect. I remember opening the map in AC Unity, and I played after they patched in all the poo poo that originally was only unlocked via mobile companion apps or whatever and it was just a loving giant mess of map diarrhea. As opposed to something like rdr2 where I am still finding interesting stuff I missed in my first playthrough because the game lets exploration be its own reward for the most part. (And you don't get nothing for your trouble, sometimes you get a special hat or unique weapon!)
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Terminally Bored posted:Here's a weird blast from the past Considering how much this game rode on controversy (released shortly after Columbine) its pretty weird to see a censored trailer. But yeah, uh... who wanted this? Will this "burly men with guns in brown warehouses and alleys simulator" be popular in 2020? The biggest claim to fame this game has is Viktor Antonov as an art designer but I think his original vision was largely thrown out (an alternative history sci-fi 'Blade Runner'-style universe) in favor of the steampunk gangland stuff. I'll take "decisions that come back to bite you in the rear end twenty years later", Alex.
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A Sometimes Food posted:gently caress Ted Faro and congrats pc people you get one of the best open world games ever. It's so fun to just gently caress around and explore and fight in that game and they were judicious enough in how much they put in that even my lazy, ADD having, backlog filling rear end 100%ed it. loving saaame. goddamn stormbirds  lol now i kinda want to dust off the ps4, it's been mothballed over a year now
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