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Seems amazing that someone is willing to create a decent show and then not beat the dead horse for years.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 21:52 |
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This one season was beating a dead horse as it was.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 21:53 |
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Bip Roberts posted:Seems amazing that someone is willing to create a decent show and then not beat the dead horse for years. Based on Lindelof's comments his plan, at least if he didn't have an idea for a second season, was to let someone else take over and tell their own story in the universe. I'm a little disappointed HBO just went, "Nah, too much trouble," but whatever.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 21:53 |
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Nail Rat posted:This one season was beating a dead horse as it was. It was pretty good tv imo.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 21:55 |
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goodBip Roberts posted:Seems amazing that someone is willing to create a decent show and then not beat the dead horse for years. Nail Rat posted:This one season was beating a dead horse as it was.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 21:59 |
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This show was pretty polarizing. I enjoyed it, a lot of us did. A lot of you didn't, and that's fine, too. I'm glad it's not getting a second season. I think it wrapped up what it needed to.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:06 |
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Arist posted:Based on Lindelof's comments his plan, at least if he didn't have an idea for a second season, was to let someone else take over and tell their own story in the universe. I'm a little disappointed HBO just went, "Nah, too much trouble," but whatever. If it results in a S2 on par with True Detective or Westworld, then I’m glad they killed it. Still, it would’ve been nice to see a true post-Manhattan world and the farce of a trial that Ozymandius would’ve been involved in. I can totally see S2 opening with Redford pardoning Ozy, but the truth still getting out and the fallout from that.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:06 |
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Nail Rat posted:This one season was beating a dead horse as it was. Needs more cutaways back to the horse being beaten while a monologue about the horse's beating plays in voice over
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:14 |
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I don't really trust HBO to stick to this decision This announcement is viral marketing
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:28 |
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Because nothing builds hype like saying "We have no interest in this project"?
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:31 |
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precision posted:I don't really trust HBO to stick to this decision jj abrams presents: watchmen babies into quarkness. hbomax. 2021.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:34 |
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ya know what, i changed my mind on this not existing. dave gibbons deserves whatever money he can get from DC after what they pulled, and whatever this generates for alan moore he gives away so from a financial point of view, gently caress it.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:39 |
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Rest in piss watchmen the tv show
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 22:56 |
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Arist posted:Based on Lindelof's comments his plan, at least if he didn't have an idea for a second season, was to let someone else take over and tell their own story in the universe. I'm a little disappointed HBO just went, "Nah, too much trouble," but whatever. Lindelof's pal JJ did that with star wars and boy does introducing a bunch of big ideas and cliffhangers and hoping someone else fits them together coherently after the fact not work I would enjoy the spectacle of seeing how bad the watchmen equivalent to rise of skywalker would be though
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:01 |
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Mulva posted:Because nothing builds hype like saying "We have no interest in this project"? "A plan, some people say it's a plan. We bring back Coke and call it Coke Classic. Genius marketing. The truth is, we're not that dumb, and we're not that smart."
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:03 |
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I’m in the “do it right or not at all” camp so I’m perfectly OK with not getting a second season. For those of you who want more book content, the “Watchmen Companion” hardcover is now out. It’s composed of Watchmen promotional material, an issue where The Question reads the Watchmen TPB and decided Rorschach sucks, and reprints of old DC Heroes Role Playing Game materials. The RPG stuff has been out of print for decades and is hard (and expensive) to find. Ask me about how I threw mine out before leaving for college. Any how, the RPG stuff is the only Watchmen tie-in Moore ever approved, so it is canonical. He co-wrote it and Gibbons did original art for it too.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:14 |
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:I’m in the “do it right or not at all” camp so I’m perfectly OK with not getting a second season. I just got this in today. It's interesting in that it's the last thing he had a hand in before ditching it. It's also confusing to read if you've never played any RPG stuff but still cool. The tie in question thing feels like they just needed something to pad out the page count, but the introduction was interesting. The actual paper stock on the thing is kinda rear end tbh.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:17 |
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Wolfsheim posted:Lindelof's pal JJ did that with star wars and boy does introducing a bunch of big ideas and cliffhangers and hoping someone else fits them together coherently after the fact not work I was thinking more "anthology" than "star wars sequel trilogy"
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:17 |
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The announcement says they’re not interested in doing a second season without Lindelof but doesn’t say anything about spinoffs, so it’s still possible we may see a Lubeman show just yet.
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# ? Jan 16, 2020 23:25 |
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They should just give us American Hero Story for real
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 00:05 |
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Mister Bates posted:it is good that this is getting more attention For me, the engagement with real history is most of what's good about this show. The destruction of Black Wall Street is an insane part of American history that doesn't get nearly enough attention. All the better that it's told here as a lived, embodied, first-person experience, rather than as dry documentary.
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 09:02 |
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ruddiger posted:If it results in a S2 on par with True Detective or Westworld, then I’m glad they killed it. S2 of Westworld was still far superior to watchmen s1
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A Typical Goon posted:S2 of Westworld was still far superior to watchmen s1 What the gently caress even happened in S2 of Westworld
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 20:32 |
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A Typical Goon posted:S2 of Westworld was still far superior to watchmen s1 Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 20:39 |
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Nail Rat posted:This one season was beating a dead horse as it was. Fact The second season was cancelled because the show had dog poo poo ratings.
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 22:46 |
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I've pretty much read through every page of this thread, Manhattan help me. The people who came in week by week to confirm that "yep, show still sucks" are the worst and need to ban themselves. The people rationally explaining with examples were so much better to read, even if I agreed with some and not with others. The Agency vs Free Will poo poo sucked too. That being said, I don't care what anyone's opinions are, if anyone watched this and as a residual learned about the Tulsa poo poo buried for almost a century then they walked away winning. I am one of those people. I agree with a lot of people, the Last episode was lacking, and the Looking Glass and Hanging Justice episodes were the loving best. I enjoyed their take on Dr. Manhattan's non-linear view even if it seemed like it was TOO inhuman and uncontrollable. You mean to tell me when he monologues to Veidt in the book about the world's smartest man meaning no more to him than the smartest termite there's not some trace of human ego involved with that? Or did he just say it because he was meant to in an "adult mentally spanking a child" way that Veidt would understand? It's not just a guy who experiences the timeline like a book powerless to affect it (imo). It reminds me of the "Lucky Coin" speech Anton Chigurgh has in No Country. Anton: Don't put it in your pocket, sir. Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter. Gas Station Proprietor: Where do you want me to put it? Anton: Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is. I loved that exchange, it's like Schroedinger's coin. He is powerless to stop anything or change anything, until he's not. Which he always could, just like he saw. Human nature rubbed off on him in his relationship with Angela just like it re-invigorated him via his conversation with Laurie in the book which possibly facilitates change. I also like his barely measured excitement when he's unable to see what lies ahead of him any time tachyons are involved, it reminds me of the fascination he had with trying to see past the NY event. Angela getting Will's memories may show her that violence begets violence and she's changed from it, so she may not be the police brutality vigilante she started out as when she gets the powers. Season 2 is not needed, I think the story is told and to tell more would ruin it. That's my hot take, thanks for listening! The REAL Goobusters posted:Fact I know you're not going to, since you haven't listened to the multiple others making the same request, but I'm compelled to offer up another voice. Will you just knock it the gently caress off and go somewhere you're wanted? Your endless trolling is recognized. You win. Now go... go somewhere you can offer value to a conversation because this thread clearly isn't it. Comfortador fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 17, 2020 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfvGVJCNpoY
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 00:03 |
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People tend to give Dr. Manhattan projected things like emotions or ego. There's a few things out there where Alan Moore talks about his character and it's across the board detached as gently caress. There's no irony or subtext, he says literal statements. Love doesn't bring him to karnack, we just end up being slightly less boring then he thought on second glance..a glance he only gave out of routines from his human existence, something that he's shaking off more and more as the book progresses...and is so god drat brilliantly mirrored by his state of dress or lack thereof. By the time he hangs dong, he don't give no fucks about human machinations. am: moore dg: gibbons quote:AM: By the time Dr Manhattan is a million years old, or a thousand years old, or even a hundred he will be almost unrecognizable—but this is his infancy and you still see him doing things like… he pushes a door open in No 11. quote:AM: Anybody here ever had a lucid dream? if you have a lucid dream, and you’re good at it, you can do whatever you want to do in that dream. You’re Dr Manhattan, basically, because you control the substance of reality—but you find yourself surrounded by dream characters. You do what you want but you don’t do anything to offend them out of basic politeness. quote:SW: The other philosophical section consists of Dr Manhattan allowing Laurie to convince him that it is worth giving a drat about Earth again. When I finished No 9 I found myself thinking ‘I don’t believe him, I’m not convinced’. I thought he was either lying to her or letting himself believe in this—you know, all that stuff about thermodynamics. quote:AM: Well, if you’re going to have a naked character in a comic book he’s almost by definition got to be the least sexual. What I remember—and this all gets very blurred when you’re talking about 2 years ago—the thing I remember is that Dave drew a naked figure of Dr Manhattan just to show his physique, and I looked at it and thought that would be pretty rad—let’s just not put any clothes on it. Me and Dave agreed but we didn’t know if we’d get away with it, and Dave said, look if we make it very hairless, take away all the human references for sex, like hair… full transcript from this 1988 here, long but pretty drat rad wow, that jeremey irons clip is a real bummer. what an rear end in a top hat zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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zer0spunk posted:Stuff Alan talks about Dr. Manhattan making a decision, which means he has to have some influence on the choices no? I guess we could rabbit hole this forever similar to the other debates. It's what makes it good.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 00:34 |
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This is truly some Last Jedi level poo poo where people have tied their entire identity to a show they were warned was going to be bad, it fulfilled its prophecy of being bad, and instead of admitting it's bad you just refuse to admit it to yourselves.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 00:40 |
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Comfortador posted:Alan talks about Dr. Manhattan making a decision, which means he has to have some influence on the choices no? I guess we could rabbit hole this forever similar to the other debates. It's what makes it good. yeah i mean, you could say he sees the outcomes and the choices are just perfunctory choosing not to stick around to have to choose things is so incredibly that character and whatever he was in the show felt like none of that to go even more into that, it almost felt hostile..like Lindelof took away from the events of the book "that rear end in a top hat could have done so many things to fix poo poo!" something that's addressed in the comic to dr. manhattan [comedian giving him the gently caress your high horse you watched me murder her thing in vietnam] ..in fact i'm pretty sure people say this to tv manhattan's face (viedt right?) plus his whole letter where he's like "what if hes not wise and just really sad you guys?"..ok dude. sure. ""A wise, blue man once said that nothing ever ends. But maybe he wasn't wise. Maybe he was just scared and alone and sad that he would outlive everything and everyone he ever loved." - Damon Lindelof "nah" - book fans zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Tehran 1979 posted:This is truly some Last Jedi level poo poo where people have tied their entire identity to a show they were warned was going to be bad, it fulfilled its prophecy of being bad, and instead of admitting it's bad you just refuse to admit it to yourselves.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 00:52 |
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Tehran 1979 posted:This is truly some Last Jedi level poo poo where people have tied their entire identity to a show they were warned was going to be bad, it fulfilled its prophecy of being bad, and instead of admitting it's bad you just refuse to admit it to yourselves. Literally the only place where I see people dislike this show is this thread. I loved it, any of my friends who watch it loved it, a bunch of people here haaaate it. It’s so weird.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 00:58 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:The second season was cancelled because the show had dog poo poo ratings. Okay, come on dude, this isn't even true, which I suspect you even know because you posted nothing to support it. Tehran 1979 posted:This is truly some Last Jedi level poo poo where people have tied their entire identity to a show they were warned was going to be bad, it fulfilled its prophecy of being bad, and instead of admitting it's bad you just refuse to admit it to yourselves. It's some Last Jedi-level poo poo for sure, in that it's really good and a lot of peoples' criticisms are loving bizarre . For real though, how do opinions work?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Literally the only place where I see people dislike this show is this thread. I loved it, any of my friends who watch it loved it, a bunch of people here haaaate it. It’s so weird. I mean, not really? You have a property that doesn't want to be a franchise, made by a guy who is officially done with it after the story he wanted to tell, made in a medium that is super specific in both how it tells the story and in the story itself on more levels then I even have time to get into. Then you have a creative who is behind some really polarizing stuff, who understands that a lot of people are coming in thinking it shouldn't exist but seems to be reveling in it with his dumb "alan moore would want to me to say gently caress alan moore" press nonsense. That's already a situation before you even watch the drat thing. And then it pulls a lot of the same bullshit people hated in those other projects of his (elephants and polar bears oh my). Is it hard to see why some of us really disliked this from multiple fronts? It's trying so hard to subvert poo poo from the book that it doesn't really tell a cohesive story at all. "Well the book's climax is all about subverting the hacky trope of a villans monologue giving the hero a chance to win, so let's do exactly that in our show." If it had stuck with the frame of the first episode and maybe did something interesting with authority and masks, institutionalized power vs the individual, or like, anything at all. Hell do something with the bureaucracy of being able to use a live weapon..but that gets dropped as fast as we see it the one time. At least it went for it, even if it failed hard for me..so there's that. Even the exposition dumps weren't boring..just real real dumb.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 01:11 |
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zer0spunk posted:I mean, not really? You have a property that doesn't want to be a franchise, made by a guy who is officially done with it after the story he wanted to tell, made in a medium that is super specific in both how it tells the story and in the story itself on more levels then I even have time to get into. It was fine.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 01:23 |
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Bip Roberts posted:It was fine. Now it dead.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 01:27 |
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A Typical Goon posted:S2 of Westworld was still far superior to watchmen s1 The Native American episode and most of the Hopkins scenes are better than anything in Watchmen but in the inverse the rest is so shockingly bad I would take a thousand thousand terrible Manhattans over another Dolores scene
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 02:35 |
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I really loved the show until the last 2.5 episodes, and I really was gung ho about it up through that point. I was telling friends who loved the comics that it was a great sequel and it showed a reverence for the source material while forging something new. It's a bad show that had promise and some good ideas, and some really bad ones. And some that aren't examined at all (as was said before, the big question isn't whether the egg will give Angela Dr M's power - we know it will. It's whether she SHOULD take that power for herself. They didn't realize that; right there that would've been a better ending).
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 03:50 |
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Last week, you chose to eat chicken instead of beef. Today, you remember making that decision, and tell me about it. Next week, Dr. Manhattan will he presented with the choice of having chicken or beef. Today, he remembers making that choice, and tells me about it.
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# ? Jan 18, 2020 15:17 |