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old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!
Lately I've been going to second hand shops looking for old tools I can add to my collection for cheap, like hammers, screwdrivers, pliers, etc. You can get far with some vinegar, a wire brush, and some mineral oil.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
For generic tools yeah, but don't bother with wrenches of specific measurement. There are plenty of videos on youtube of people restoring old wrenches and then finding out they are way out of spec after removing rust.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Just use a rusty tool. For about 100% of tools being rusty (up to a point) does not effect the function.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Jerry Cotton posted:

Just use a rusty tool. For about 100% of tools being rusty (up to a point) does not effect the function.

also feels 100% more artisanal.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

TotalLossBrain posted:

also feels 100% more artisanal.

Seriouspost: my problem is that making a tool that is perfectly usable rusty not rusty is literally a waste of not only time but also of (other) tools.

Making a tool loving not just not rusty but SHINY is a crime against nature.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

I dunno, seems like shining your rusty tool is a pretty common pastime. Hell, some even say the whole purpose of the internet is to make it easier.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?


I'm building an 8-bit computer using breadboards. After dozens of hours of work, I soon will be able to perform amazing mathematical feats, as long as the program to perform those feats can be contained within 16 bytes of RAM.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I made a program that calculates the triangular series if you want something else to run on it.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



are we talkin THICC BEZELS?



my uncle gave me this laptop when I was on high school, it's p much a 2" thick netbook with a 486 inside and no networking capabilities (without a PCMCIA card)

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Cojawfee posted:

I made a program that calculates the triangular series if you want something else to run on it.

Absolutely! I'm only just starting to wire up and test the registers and ALU, so it will be a while before I get to the point where I can run programs.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Armacham posted:

Absolutely! I'm only just starting to wire up and test the registers and ALU, so it will be a while before I get to the point where I can run programs.

Here is the program I made, it fits into 12 lines and uses two variables. I also implemented a few other opcodes like Load Immediate (LDI) which loads a value you provide into the A register rather than pulling it from memory. I also made Increment (INC) and Decrement (DEC) opcodes which is like add or subtract immediate. Similar to LDI, you provide a value to add rather than having to pull it from memory. I think there's enough room to write the code without these, but it was fun to implement new opcodes on my own, as there is room for a few to be added in the control logic that Ben creates.

code:
0     LDI 1 
1     STA 14 
2     LDI 0 
3     STA 15 
4     OUT 
5     ADD 14 
6     JC  0 
7     STA 15 
8     LDA 14 
9     INC 1 
10    STA 14 
11    LDA 15 
12    JMP 4
Also, when you get to the RAM part of the build and you build the RC circuit for writing memory, run the clock signal through two NAND gates (to invert it twice) before going to the capacitor. The capacitor causes weird problems with the clock signal which sometimes causes two clock pulses and messes up the program being run. Inverting the clock signal twice acts as a buffer to prevent the capacitor from messing with the clock signal for the rest of the CPU.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
That's awesome, thanks! I actually read about someone else having that problem so I basically did what you suggested with the inverter. I also used LEDs with bullt-in resistors because wiring all those extra resistors in series was a huge PITA.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Armacham posted:



I'm building an 8-bit computer using breadboards. After dozens of hours of work, I soon will be able to perform amazing mathematical feats, as long as the program to perform those feats can be contained within 16 bytes of RAM.

Is this the same build from Ben Eater's videos?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Peanut Butler posted:

are we talkin THICC BEZELS?



my uncle gave me this laptop when I was on high school, it's p much a 2" thick netbook with a 486 inside and no networking capabilities (without a PCMCIA card)

We get it; you vape.

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


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on the whole Internet!

Jerry Cotton posted:

Seriouspost: my problem is that making a tool that is perfectly usable rusty not rusty is literally a waste of not only time but also of (other) tools.

Making a tool loving not just not rusty but SHINY is a crime against nature.

It's pretty awesome if you have access to a laser powered rust fucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8q3DZB_l6M

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

Cojawfee posted:

For generic tools yeah, but don't bother with wrenches of specific measurement. There are plenty of videos on youtube of people restoring old wrenches and then finding out they are way out of spec after removing rust.

plus it's way easier to just toss your rusty equipment at Rock Octorocks, they take the rust off and give you high powered stuff. it's the only way to beat Eventide Island.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Peanut Butler posted:

my uncle gave me this laptop when I was on high school, it's p much a 2" thick netbook with a 486 inside and no networking capabilities (without a PCMCIA card)

PCMCIA? Fancy, where my dad worked they did have a PCMCIA slot in their 486 laptop but they used a Xircom parallel port Ethernet adapter that also attached to the keyboard port to get power, I assume because a PCMCIA card cost more?

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

To be fair, the kind of wrench that people let get rusty - old and/or cheap - is typically only nominally in spec to begin with.

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



I only watch Youtube videos of people adding rust to tools.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Buttcoin purse posted:

PCMCIA? Fancy, where my dad worked they did have a PCMCIA slot in their 486 laptop but they used a Xircom parallel port Ethernet adapter that also attached to the keyboard port to get power, I assume because a PCMCIA card cost more?

I think I still have one of those parallel port ethernet adapters. Not sure if I have the drivers but I remember getting it to boot over PoE in university and run a tcp stack in dos so I could get on IRC on a 386 laptop for fun.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Cojawfee posted:

For generic tools yeah, but don't bother with wrenches of specific measurement. There are plenty of videos on youtube of people restoring old wrenches and then finding out they are way out of spec after removing rust.

Overspec, formerly rusty wrench is good for turning still‐rusty bolts that the shiny wrench won’t fit on.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Platystemon posted:

Overspec, formerly rusty wrench is good for turning still‐rusty bolts that the shiny wrench won’t fit on.

The Soviets just used an adjustable.

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.
Nokia E61
Best drat phone ever. Best and most comfortable 'full size' keyboard, the later models sucked. The only one you could QWERTY an sms reply in your pocket! Browsing any and all websites, posting on forums and all that back in pre-smartphone era. I rocked that thing for 4 years since late high school until it flew into a concrete wall, finally breaking (the wall was badly damaged too).
Who needs music players when you have it in your phone? I bet I tried to watch youtube on it at least a few times.

No teacher, it's just a phone, I forgot my calculator today. on most of my exams :D

Cruising down the memory lane I did write at least two study papers and sent them to the teacher's email when I didn't bother to do them at home the day before :v:
As well as using up a WHOLE 1Gb in a month once. That did cost a pretty penny back when you had like 100mb included in your phone plan. Good thing my dad was friends with his company's assigned phone company contact so I got 1GB included for €20/month.

Erulisse has a new favorite as of 12:48 on Jan 18, 2020

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Armacham posted:



I'm building an 8-bit computer using breadboards. After dozens of hours of work, I soon will be able to perform amazing mathematical feats, as long as the program to perform those feats can be contained within 16 bytes of RAM.

I think that's about three people so far doing this project.

You guys should get together at the end and see who has the neatest wiring!

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Do breadboards have thru-holes? Could you make it stacked instead of laid out?

thepopmonster
Feb 18, 2014


Buttcoin purse posted:

PCMCIA? Fancy, where my dad worked they did have a PCMCIA slot in their 486 laptop but they used a Xircom parallel port Ethernet adapter that also attached to the keyboard port to get power, I assume because a PCMCIA card cost more?

Nah, because no-one could remember what the acronym stood for.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Jerry Cotton posted:

Do breadboards have thru-holes? Could you make it stacked instead of laid out?

No.

He could still stack it with a careful wiring harness, but that would probably be more work than the rest of the project.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Jerry Cotton posted:

The Soviets just used an adjustable.

What's the size of a warehouse, consumes enough diesel to run 6 city buses for a week, and fits on 14.7mm bolts? A soviet wrench designed to fit on 13mm bolts.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Cojawfee posted:

What's the size of a warehouse, consumes enough diesel to run 6 city buses for a week, and fits on 14.7mm bolts? A soviet wrench designed to fit on 13mm bolts.

I like "what doesn't fit up your bumhole and doesn't warble? A Russian bumhole-warbler" more.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

stevewm posted:

Is this the same build from Ben Eater's videos?

Yep, mostly. I've used a couple alternative ICs to what Ben uses bit the architecture is the same.

Jabor posted:

I think that's about three people so far doing this project.

You guys should get together at the end and see who has the neatest wiring!

Definitely not mine

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



I would put something like that in a nice frame.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
I got a nice mystery unit on my hands here:





The only numbers on the outside of the case is a sticker on the back under the barcode: 1S6030P025520121

There are two PCMICA slots on front, and two in back.

Has 2 PS/2 Slots, a VGA, printer, 2 serial and some odd port named "AMP" . System powers on, but nothing produced to screen.

The CD-ROM is a 2x SCSI drive that says "Photo CD". I was thinking it was part of a Kodak Kiosk system but could not find an image or info.

I believe there is a SCSI HDD under the CD-ROM but I didn't want to start taking this thing too far apart.

Everything has an IBM part number on it. The CD-ROM is a Toshiba XM-4101 BMY but the IBM PN is 66b3536

Located the drive easily enough with that info, but not for the system it is currently in.


Everything has a manufactured date of 1994 on it, and is a compact, but hefty, system.

Jasta
Apr 13, 2012

Peanut Butler posted:

are we talkin THICC BEZELS?



my uncle gave me this laptop when I was on high school, it's p much a 2" thick netbook with a 486 inside and no networking capabilities (without a PCMCIA card)

Does it still work? I wish that I had't stored my childhood IBM PC in a shed where mice tore up the insides, as it would have been fun to read some of my old papers and whatnot.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



Jasta posted:

Does it still work? I wish that I had't stored my childhood IBM PC in a shed where mice tore up the insides, as it would have been fun to read some of my old papers and whatnot.

I haven't fired it up in a while, lost the adapter, and the external floppy drive broke a while ago- I reformatted that thing over and over, though. It had Windows 3.1 on it, I managed to get it to run Win95 poorly (this took forever and required the persistence that only the insane and teenagers have) before putting Slack on it (no GUI)- I think it currently has FreeDOS on there because I wanted to play Colonization outside, lol. It's also on its third hard drive, second screen panel, and second CPU- upgraded from an SX to a DX after getting a broken one off eBay for $50 in like 1999- I've taken this thing apart and put it back together far more times than any other lappy I've had

I do wanna get it running again, but I'd have to hunt down a floppy drive and those were flaky as all hell

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Johnny Aztec posted:

I got a nice mystery unit on my hands here:





The only numbers on the outside of the case is a sticker on the back under the barcode: 1S6030P025520121

There are two PCMICA slots on front, and two in back.

Has 2 PS/2 Slots, a VGA, printer, 2 serial and some odd port named "AMP" . System powers on, but nothing produced to screen.

The CD-ROM is a 2x SCSI drive that says "Photo CD". I was thinking it was part of a Kodak Kiosk system but could not find an image or info.

I believe there is a SCSI HDD under the CD-ROM but I didn't want to start taking this thing too far apart.

Everything has an IBM part number on it. The CD-ROM is a Toshiba XM-4101 BMY but the IBM PN is 66b3536

Located the drive easily enough with that info, but not for the system it is currently in.


Everything has a manufactured date of 1994 on it, and is a compact, but hefty, system.

Keep us updated on this! That looks rad as gently caress.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Johnny Aztec posted:

I got a nice mystery unit on my hands here:





The only numbers on the outside of the case is a sticker on the back under the barcode: 1S6030P025520121

There are two PCMICA slots on front, and two in back.

Has 2 PS/2 Slots, a VGA, printer, 2 serial and some odd port named "AMP" . System powers on, but nothing produced to screen.

The CD-ROM is a 2x SCSI drive that says "Photo CD". I was thinking it was part of a Kodak Kiosk system but could not find an image or info.

I believe there is a SCSI HDD under the CD-ROM but I didn't want to start taking this thing too far apart.

Everything has an IBM part number on it. The CD-ROM is a Toshiba XM-4101 BMY but the IBM PN is 66b3536

Located the drive easily enough with that info, but not for the system it is currently in.


Everything has a manufactured date of 1994 on it, and is a compact, but hefty, system.

The floppy is one of the rare 2.88MB drives that never caught on and only IBM ever really used.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

I remember my DEC Multia said it could use 2.88MB disks, but I never had one to try. I had read at the time that they were often used for routers. I guess the idea was you could fit a little more configuration on a slightly larger disk.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Rexxed posted:

I remember my DEC Multia said it could use 2.88MB disks, but I never had one to try. I had read at the time that they were often used for routers. I guess the idea was you could fit a little more configuration on a slightly larger disk.

For purposes of a router it's not slightly larger.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Humphreys posted:

Keep us updated on this! That looks rad as gently caress.

I'm doing a breakdown right now, and taking a bunch of pictures. It is a weird mixture of laptop and PC parts. The motherboard is very unique.

I'll have an album up here later this afternoon. I'm getting a little obsessed with trying to find WHAT THE gently caress THIS SYSTEM IS. It's just such an oddball!


The irony is, just about EVERY drat PART INSIDE is labeled with IBM , Part number and year made,)including cables) but I can't find one lick of info on the system itself.

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Giant Metal Robot
Jun 14, 2005


Taco Defender
If it is a PhotoCD system, I've been wondering how compatible it is with the rest of the CD standards. It has its own Rainbow Book and everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books#Beige_Book_(1992)

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