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Jurgan posted:I know the Eastern/Byzantine Empire was a thing, but it's hard for me to accept that as the "Roman Empire" when Rome was no longer part of it. the called them selves Romans right until the end so I guess you can disagree but the point is the empire just lost territory and continued to participate in European politics constantly so the whole premise of "X" destroying the empire is flawed from the start.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:the called them selves Romans right until the end so I guess you can disagree but the point is the empire just lost territory and continued to participate in European politics constantly so the whole premise of "X" destroying the empire is flawed from the start. There were apparently groups of people in the Balkans/Aegan Sea region identifying as ethnically Roman right up into the early 1900s. I mean, poo poo, there is still a modern nation-state which shares the same name that the people who lived in the empire we call Byzantium for style points and to avoid confusion had for their own nation: “Romania.”
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Jan 17, 2020 20:55
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rome didn't exist, they invented it in the 1800s to justify racism wake up sheeple
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Jan 17, 2020 21:54
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"Europe" is just a story made up by Democrats, socialists, and Communists. Last week. They just invented it last week.
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Jan 17, 2020 23:14
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if you guys weren't invented by the illuminati last week to convince me I was crazy I'd report you to the mods.
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Jan 18, 2020 00:22
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The mods are in on it, you fool!
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Jan 18, 2020 03:42
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InsertPotPun posted:if you guys weren't invented by the illuminati last week to convince me I was crazy I'd report you to the mods. please, I got the job two weeks ago as a test run
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Jan 18, 2020 03:43
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the sa mods are deep learning AIs trained on decades of forums moderation from every community online, and the AIs are significantly less pedo-y and nazi-y thanks to an engineer that really gets the internet. Go ahead mods, deny it.
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Jurgan posted:I know the Eastern/Byzantine Empire was a thing, but it's hard for me to accept that as the "Roman Empire" when Rome was no longer part of it. The Western and just general Roman Empires were a thing quite a while after Rome stopped being the capital, or even relevant. When the West fell the Western Emperor was hanging out in Ravenna, and for a long rear end time before that the capital was Milan.
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Jan 18, 2020 11:25
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Rome fell when they moved the capital to Mediolanum in 286 CE, everything after that is a series of pretender states 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:the called them selves Romans right until the end so I guess you can disagree but the point is the empire just lost territory and continued to participate in European politics constantly so the whole premise of "X" destroying the empire is flawed from the start. Discussing the fall of the Roman empire kind of necessitates defining "fall" and "Roman Empire." If you mean "when did it break the hardest after its peak" that was when it split in two. The snag there is that each half decided that it was the real Roman Empire and the other side was a bunch of stupid posers. There have been a gently caress load of various random powers that decided that they were the real successor but considering how big it was and how many pieces it fragmented into you can argue that it's simultaneously not around at all or still around. As recently as Mussolini people have been saying "we gonna put that poo poo back together" but nobody has yet. Basically any country that borders the Mediterranean in any way can argue somehow that it's a successor state to Rome. Same goes for most of Europe and a good chunk of the Middle East. Yeah it was centered on what is now Italy but it ran the show on a really vast chunk of land.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:each half decided that it was the real Roman Empire and the other side was a bunch of stupid posers. They didn't, though. That doesn't really happen until the Pope starts crowning new (holy?) (roman??) emperors several hundred years after the western roman empire is definitively... not agreed upon. The co-emperorship was fine for as long as the west even almost-functional.
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Jan 18, 2020 19:04
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lol if you believe that there are countries other than the usa. everyone who claims they are from “different counties” are crisis actors
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There's a very cool thread for Rome and ancient stuff if anyone is interested: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486446 The fall of Rome: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486446&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post403969553 PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Hackers film 1995 posted:lol if you believe that there are countries other than the usa. everyone who claims they are from “different counties” are crisis actors Back when I was still on Facebook I saw someone try to argue something a lot like this in absolute sincerity.
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Dang, they got us. This is exactly how socialism works.
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Jan 19, 2020 03:16
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Well yea just look at Venezuela.
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Jan 19, 2020 04:08
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I agree, we should stop letting capital siphon the product of the people's labor.
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Jan 19, 2020 04:22
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Tom hires Pedro to plant an apple tree on his land and take care of it for 5 years. This year the tree produced 50 apples. Tom takes 40 of the apples and lets Pedro have 10. "It's not fair that Tom has 40 apples and Pedro only has 10. I'm going to take Tom's apples and give them to Pedro." Pedro has even more incentive to take care of the tree and the tree thrives. Now there are 10 more apples produced and consumed. This is why workers need control of the means of production.
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Jan 19, 2020 04:35
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So he seized a parcel of land for his tree and then got mad when we demanded a share of the apples? And then left like a total baby, leaving the space unusable until someone else comes and tears down his stupid tree.
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Jan 19, 2020 04:37
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Tom greedily drained water from the river to fuel his apple crop, then got in an altercation from farmers downriver. They shot eachother and now Tom is dead. His family buried him under the tree he loved, but the bitterness suffusing his organs poisoned it and left it as a monument to waste.
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Jan 19, 2020 04:59
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After calling Warren "Chief" my relative shared this. Which I think we've seen. Debating if I should tell him about MLB revenue sharing.
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Jan 19, 2020 05:28
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SimonCat posted:Crusaders sacking Constantinople? Pst. It's Istanbul now, just fyi. You might want to remember that, just in case you have a date there. I know it's a worn-out joke but it's the thirty-year anniversary of Flood and I've been looking for an excuse to reference the album. 
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Vandar posted:Pst. It's Istanbul now, just fyi. You might want to remember that, just in case you've a date there. ftfy
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"Nobody will ever work for free." The entire anime fan dubbing community exists, tho. borkencode posted:After calling Warren "Chief" my relative shared this. Which I think we've seen. There's a liberal voting strategy joke in here.
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Jan 19, 2020 10:11
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So what Im hearing is that Tom owns the exclusive right to use land which once belonged to the commons. I wonder how this came about, because it sounds like theft to me.
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borkencode posted:After calling Warren "Chief" my relative shared this. Which I think we've seen. Something something electoral college
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borkencode posted:After calling Warren "Chief" my relative shared this. Which I think we've seen. If your team bought off all the refs, sure, why not?
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Jan 19, 2020 15:48
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The wealthy are spiteful babies who will destroy what they own rather than pay their fair share, thus the only solution is to seize their property and allow all to gain its wealth. A good meme.
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Forceholy posted:"Nobody will ever work for free."
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darthbob88 posted:And video game modding, and open source software, and the general practice of charity volunteering... Really, the best you can say is that "Nobody would ever work first shift at Walmart and get abused by customers for free", which is why unions exist. Yeah, but that's not REAL work. The kind of work you do with your hands and builds character. Only with out the living wage to pay for it.
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Forceholy posted:Yeah, but that's not REAL work. The kind of work you do with your hands and builds character. I do real with-my-hands, character-building work when I volunteer with Habitat for Humanity. Its pretty sweet. 
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The First Roman Empire fell during the crisis of the third century. The Second Roman Empire fell during the Arab Conquests. The Third Roman Empire fell in 1453.
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The fourth Roman Empire fell in 1917.
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Jan 21, 2020 03:56
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the 69th Roman Empire will fall in 2420
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T-man posted:the 69th Roman Empire will fall in 2420 simpatico
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in hoc smoko vinces
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Jan 21, 2020 12:42
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 My eyes are doing 360 turns in my head right now
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I hear they also have dihydrogen monoxide in too. 
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