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One thing I like about not watching tv is that celebrities in newspapers are funnier because it's like, who are you and why do I care?
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Coohoolin posted:I'm skipping a few pages but wanted to post that imo the recent Sanders Warren smear thing is a good example of how to fight the press- just deny it, don't give an inch, always say the correct thing, never apologise for something you didn't do. So the Trump approach then? Cos that's exactly what he does.
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OwlFancier posted:One thing I like about not watching tv is that celebrities in newspapers are funnier because it's like, who are you and why do I care? Same, not having a tv in the house and just streaming the things I want has improved my life tenfold
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Mega Comrade posted:So the Trump approach then? Cos that's exactly what he does. It doesn't seem to be doing him a great deal of harm and it's a good flex on cowardly journos who are terrified to make any sort of declarative statement.
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Jan 19, 2020 10:47
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You should only apologise for things that you've actually done that are bad. Tell the press to get hosed otherwise.
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Tell the press to get hosed all the time IMO, even if you don't have a particular reason at that specific moment. Does anyone actually like journalists?
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I wonder if the BoD are going to get sad now that they're about to get ignored as irrelevant. Joris has his majority, so they can go back in the box next to the DUP and other intermittently useful idiots. Fucks me off how much that stuck around. Even if I'm not convinced that many people believed it, it cost a lot of energy to deal with and constantly came up and derailed meaningful discussion. Corbyn's weakness was that he wasn't aggressive enough where it mattered. I've actually been thinking that once we've got a new leader, it'll be interesting how they choose to interact with the media. It's really tempting to just snub them. Don't outright block them from attending labour events, but save all the questions for local reporters. Leave them hanging around desparate for a comment. We have a tory majority so just enforce absolute party discipline. Nobody gives interviews to the BBC without central approval or they get the boot. Stone wall the bastards.
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Coohoolin posted:I'm skipping a few pages but wanted to post that imo the recent Sanders Warren smear thing is a good example of how to fight the press- just deny it, don't give an inch, always say the correct thing, never apologise for something you didn't do. https://twitter.com/Psyche1226/status/1218831458107887616?s=20
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After 4 years of hearing nothing but Brexit, 12 days until the country ceases to be a member of the EU and there is not one mention of it on BBC News website on the main page or the UK page. You have to go to the politics bit (which usually just has Westminster minutiae and gossip for people who fancy themselves political anorak nerdlingers) to see anything about it. More important stories (aside from obviously very important Harry and Megan news) include a story about an Elephant Man statue. I honestly would not have believed how unfathomably silly this country is without witnessing the events of the last couple of years :/
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MikeCrotch posted:What's this from Gonna guess the NYT Dem candidate interviews
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Jose posted:He didn't but it's funny to think that for years he thought he had I think he never thought he had, he just thought it would boost his book sales and appearance fees instead of getting him fired all round. OwlFancier posted:One thing I like about not watching tv is that celebrities in newspapers are funnier because it's like, who are you and why do I care? I'm like that with adverts showing sports personalities. I realize I am supposed to have a clue but have no clue. I managed to guess that Harry of the jam rolypolys was Harry Redknapp (only because they said the name Harry in the advert) but I have no idea who Harry Redknapp is or was and I don't care either.
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crispix posted:After 4 years of hearing nothing but Brexit, 12 days until the country ceases to be a member of the EU and there is not one mention of it on BBC News website on the main page or the UK page. You have to go to the politics bit (which usually just has Westminster minutiae and gossip for people who fancy themselves political anorak nerdlingers) to see anything about it. More important stories (aside from obviously very important Harry and Megan news) include a story about an Elephant Man statue. I honestly would not have believed how unfathomably silly this country is without witnessing the events of the last couple of years :/
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Nevett posted:Gonna guess the NYT Dem candidate interviews Yeah it was this Look at the stuff the other media in the us is doing https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1218590051048787970?s=19 Jose fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jan 19, 2020 |
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Mega Comrade posted:So the Trump approach then? Cos that's exactly what he does. Trump won the last election and unless Bernie Sanders is nominated he will win the next election He is a fascist and a complete piece of poo poo, but I regret to say what he does is exactly how Labour should treat the right-wing press
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Our press are already totally untrusted so a labour leader going all in to deligitmise them would likely be successful
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Jan 19, 2020 12:12
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Mega Comrade posted:So the Trump approach then? Cos that's exactly what he does. Just because Trump is a racist demagogue doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong. He did beat HRC after all. I don't agree with Coohoolin that apologising never works in politics but when you're the candidate with views outside the mainstream who the press absolutely loving loathes & will jump on any chance to eviscerate you? That's no value in it. It'll appease nobody & your apology will be treated as an admission of guilt. Corbyn & Labour should have been stronger denying the bullshit antisemitism accusations while acting swiftly to jump on the actual antisemites.
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forkboy84 posted:Corbyn & Labour should have been stronger denying the bullshit antisemitism accusations while acting swiftly to jump on the actual antisemites. Agreed, which afaik is literally exactly what Williamson said so I have no idea why he's been so thoroughly thrown under the bus including by several people I consider pretty solid take-havers.
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ThomasPaine posted:Agreed, which afaik is literally exactly what Williamson said so I have no idea why he's been so thoroughly thrown under the bus including by several people I consider pretty solid take-havers. Quite apart from the antisemitism stuff, a lot of people just seem to really dislike him on a personal level. I've no idea if it's justified or not, but he really does seem to get on people tits.
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https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1218639360637038592 "Bercow was 1st Speaker not to enter the Lords upon resigning for 230 yrs" "He and Murphy are subject to longstanding "bullying" claims (denied by both) and are wildly controversial nominations" Uh huh. Apparently it's controversial to continue a 230-year tradition, but not controversial to break it. Could Bercow be a controversial pick because the Tories and the press hate him? What do you think, Sunday Times politics and investigations reporter Gabriel Pogrund?
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Pablo Bluth posted:Isn't 1st Feb pretty much a symbolic BINO? No. End of January is the proper deadline. Before it the UK could decide to (unilaterally) revoke Article 50; afterwards, almost nothing can be done. The transition period can be extended, but only once and only for a maximum of two years, which is way too short to negotiate anything meaningful with anyone. The UK is rapidly approaching the cliff edge and literally nobody in the media gives a poo poo. (Labour and Corbynism, on the other hand... and how about that Meghan) After the end of January the UK will have fallen off the edge and will be in free fall, but my prediction is that as long as it hasn't yet hit the ground, people will continue not to notice.
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ThomasPaine posted:Agreed, which afaik is literally exactly what Williamson said so I have no idea why he's been so thoroughly thrown under the bus including by several people I consider pretty solid take-havers. I think too many people have been of the "Shut up and agree and we can draw a line under it and it will all go away" frame of mind because they haven't yet cottoned on that it will never go away until Labour dance to the BoD tune in all respects. Re Williamson, he wasn't shutting up and also I haven't really looked into his credentials but I think he's seen as a bit of a weather-vane. I entirely stand to be corrected!
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I saw him speak at the Peterloo 200 event. A few people from Salford Labour walked out when he got up to speak, but Manchester JVL stayed and cheered. The overall view from the latter seemed to be "man's a prick sometimes, but you can't always pick and choose your allies." I think that's something that the liberal press likes to selectively ignore. Sure, you can boot people out for being actual racists or antisemites or creating a toxic environment, but if you're in a marginalized position, or advocating for people in marginalized positions, to do that honestly you're going to have to involve people who are a bit of a prick sometimes, or have a chronic foot in mouth issue; being able to select for absolute purity is a mark of privilege. Of course the liberal press forget that immediately once they're done purity policing the left and go out for golf and martinis with reasonable moderate tory columist Arthur von Judenhass.
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ThomasPaine posted:Agreed, which afaik is literally exactly what Williamson said so I have no idea why he's been so thoroughly thrown under the bus including by several people I consider pretty solid take-havers. Feel like "continually talking about antisemitism", well meaning or not, helped exactly as little as an apology
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forkboy84 posted:Feel like "continually talking about antisemitism", well meaning or not, helped exactly as little as an apology I mean if someone kept yelling 'U R ANTISEMITE' to me I would also probably keep talking about antisemitism too, as far as saying '  '
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forkboy84 posted:Just because Trump is a racist demagogue doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong. He did beat HRC after all. I don't agree with Coohoolin that apologising never works in politics but when you're the candidate with views outside the mainstream who the press absolutely loving loathes & will jump on any chance to eviscerate you? That's no value in it. It'll appease nobody & your apology will be treated as an admission of guilt. Corbyn & Labour should have been stronger denying the bullshit antisemitism accusations while acting swiftly to jump on the actual antisemites. He beat HRC by decades of gerrymandering and voter suppression and a broken electoral system. The argument that if Corbyn had just denied the problem he would have been fine is spurious; if he's denied it the headlines would have been about him denying it, or lying about it.
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thespaceinvader posted:He beat HRC by decades of gerrymandering and voter suppression and a broken electoral system. I read that point as going beyond 'denying the problem' and more 'being actively and openly hostile to the mainstream media'
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crispix posted:After 4 years of hearing nothing but Brexit, 12 days until the country ceases to be a member of the EU and there is not one mention of it on BBC News website on the main page or the UK page. You have to go to the politics bit (which usually just has Westminster minutiae and gossip for people who fancy themselves political anorak nerdlingers) to see anything about it. More important stories (aside from obviously very important Harry and Megan news) include a story about an Elephant Man statue. I honestly would not have believed how unfathomably silly this country is without witnessing the events of the last couple of years :/ I'm struggling to find the news story, but I'm sure that just after the election it was reported that government departments were to be told to stop sending out press releases about brexit. The government justification was something like "no one wants to read about trade deals." It was clearly just a tactic so that brexit would drop out of the news cycle and it would appear to be "done." Journalists pointed this out at the time, yet still seem to be going along with it. The new statesman podcast, maddeninglyi had Stephen Bush (who's usually pretty good) be thankful for the labour leadership contest because otherwise he'd "have nothing to talk about." I know the press are poo poo, but this is such blatant lazy journalism - if its not in a press release to be recycled it's not even on their radar - that it's loving infuriating, especially when it's not like this wasn't obvious right from the start
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The interior of Churches in Goa were full of brightly painted statues.
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See that looks much better. I could get behind gothic architecture a little bit if they kept it painted like a Mexican liquor store and not let it go the colour of an uncleaned toilet bowl in a hard water area. Unfortunately every time someone suggests painting a Church in the kind of deliberately gaudy fashion that the old Catholics loved all the supposed art and architecture lovers object on 'aesthetic' reasons. Y'all inside dressed like Latin wizards and telling parables about a dude who could raise the dead but heaven forbid that the building look interesting.
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feedmegin posted:The Official Monster Munch of Feedmegin East London Goon Meatups (c)(tm)( This is exactly why I didn't attend  Jk, I wanted to come along but couldn't really get away. Regards to you and your missus and jaete (the new PSU is still working great) and Camrath (looking forward to sampling your fudge).
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