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gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Kevos Setzer posted:

But he should have been cut off from the public eye a long time ago. How long has he been suspected of pedophilia? I want to say at least a couple decades.

thing is he's not even the only royal failson with these connections:

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1216835829139693568?s=19

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Spergin Morlock posted:

lol the queen is going to hang her son ~~out to dry to avoid culpability~~

# ? Jan 17, 2020 21:00

AntifaSupersoldier: Jul 30, 2003; Reality is what you can get away with; Hell Gem

Dr. Killjoy posted:

D&D Poster: But the FBI and CIA are there to protect us! Are you sure this isn�t just some insane conspiracy book

LOL

# ? Jan 17, 2020 21:49

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

It's moderately well known that the UK transphobia movement has some dark money behind them.

I'm genuinely wondering if some of it is the Epstein lot checking if throwing a minority under the bus like that might work as a decoy.

# ? Jan 18, 2020 16:49

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

StratGoatCom posted:

It's moderately well known that the UK transphobia movement has some dark money behind them.

I'm genuinely wondering if some of it is the Epstein lot checking if throwing a minority under the bus like that might work as a decoy.

No it's American evangelicals

# ? Jan 18, 2020 17:24

Gay Horney: Feb 10, 2013; by Reene

gh0stpinballa posted:

thing is he's not even the only royal failson with these connections:

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1216835829139693568?s=19

Peter Ball

# ? Jan 18, 2020 17:29

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

gh0stpinballa posted:

thing is he's not even the only royal failson with these connections:

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1216835829139693568?s=19

any relation to Ed?

# ? Jan 18, 2020 17:36

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

still struggling to integrate the fact that jeffrey epstein had several numbers and email addresses for a prolific brazilian child killer into my world view. why is this not widely discussed and pondered at length.

# ? Jan 18, 2020 19:42

Peanut Butler: Jul 25, 2003

https://twitter.com/ronanmanly/status/1196075706406625280

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gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

https://nypost.com/2020/01/15/uk-co...impression=true

# ? Jan 19, 2020 14:39

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Spergin Morlock posted:

lol the queen is going to hang her son out to dry to avoid culpability

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1218867687071285251

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:24

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 29 days!)

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1218867687071285251

English Civil War 2 let's go

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:25

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

English Civil War 2 let's go

Hopefully this time they'll stick to beheading the royals and skip the whole Irish genocide and inventing capitalism thing

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:37

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

English Civil War 2 let's go

people in this country don't want to end this occult poo poo they want to be invited to take part as a special treat for being good little union jack loving hoglets

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:50

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

I think this is the only thread on all of SA where people regularly talk about the royal family and that's really hilarious.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 18:51

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

Pryor on Fire posted:

I think this is the only thread on all of SA where people regularly talk about the royal family and that's really hilarious.

its the only thread i can think of that is about the royal families hobbies? :shrug:

# ? Jan 19, 2020 19:13

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I had never heard this particular anecdote before but it seems relevant to this thread because I often find myself thinking that the only way as a westerner to get your head around the Epstein stuff is to try and imagine that its all happening in Russia, since we tend to have less of a reflexive mental block on the idea of high level conspiracies happening over there.

The Intercept posted:

RUSSIAN OLIGARCH WANTED TO TURN MY JOKE INTO REALITY

Jon Schwarz

June 11 2015, 1:12 p.m.

One of my core political beliefs is that there would still be a Soviet Union if they�d been smart enough to have two communist parties that agreed on everything except abortion.

Obviously that�s a joke about the U.S., where we have two capitalist parties that largely agree on everything. The exceptions are issues that matter a lot to the regular people who make up the two parties� bases, but are largely irrelevant to party elites who fund and run both of them.

I don�t believe Republican and Democratic elites ever sat down together and planned things this way. It�s just natural, because it�s tough for a political party to endure if it doesn�t rest on an economic base of big, overlapping sections of a country�s economy.

But here�s what�s really funny: according to the Russian-American journalist Masha Gessen, oligarch Boris Berezovsky did consciously want to set up post-Soviet politics in Russia to work like this.

Berezovsky made his billions mostly through shady privatization schemes, and was a key supporter of Boris Yeltsin during the 1990s. Then, according to Berezovsky, he chose Vladimir Putin to succeed Yeltsin. According to Gessen, �Berezovsky also had another brilliant idea, which to his regret Putin did not grasp: creating a fake two-party system, with Putin at the head of a socialist-democrat sort of party and Berezovsky leading a neoconservative one, or the other way around.�

Here are Berezovsky�s exact words, in an interview with Gessen from 2008:

quote:
When Putin became president, I was for a long time in a state of profound naivet�. Well, I went to him � I told him: �Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated � Look, I�ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there�s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let�s say, the left and right. A Socially Oriented party and neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I�ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. � I earnestly believed then that he understood it. But I think that even then he looked at me like I was crazy.

Berezovsky had a falling-out with Putin that forced him leave Russia permanently, and he died in London in 2013 in what may or may not have been suicide. But it�s certainly worth pondering that at least one of the people at the top of the world has genuinely conceived of electoral politics as a meaningless puppet show, with himself and his friends as puppet masters.

(Thanks to Masha Gessen for pointing me to her Berezovsky interview transcript, and to Sharon Weinberger for translating it from Russian.)

While I don't think anyone consciously planned such a system for the United States the basic elements of it were improvised out of necessity during the 20th century as economic and geopolitical developments made it necessary for the United States to develop an increasingly powerful layer of unelected bureaucrats responsible for managing the mixed economy of the warfare/welfare state and the sprawling international commitments this entailed. Michael Glennon's book National Security and Double Government is a mainstream source that describes this dynamic, with Glennon distinguishing between what he calls Madisonian (i.e. formal, constitutional, visible government you learn about in civics) and Trumanite (post WWII security state, unelected, largely invisible, not laid out for in the constitution and thus deriving its legitimacy from the Madisonian institutions) parts of the US federal bureaucracy and government. Other authors have described the revolving door into the corporate world and the 'iron triangle' between Congress, the major corporations and the military.

This need to awkwardly fit together the publicly legitimate elected government with a large, unelected but extremely influential series of nested power structures doubtless creates a lot of friction. We saw this, for instance, in the 1970s when some of the states dirty laundry started getting aired by an overly critical media and state power was facing genuine challenges from a restive public. The distributed nature of government power in the United States also creates challenges for the power elite there that simply aren't encountered in a traditional dictatorship.

So one possible explanation for why the west seemingly has a much higher incidence of these elite blackmail and honeypot networks could very well be that such schemes became an absolute necessity in a country that remained a constitutional republic with numerous competitive elections and power centers because, due to the Cold War and the reality of the post-Depression economy, one simply could not tolerate any true democracy. While some American thought leaders in the 1920s and 1930s wanted to address this problem by simply abandoning democracy the course of the 1940s and 50s made it so that the ideology of liberal democracy became one of America's key selling points. So the emergence of elaborate blackmail schemes became a sort of improvised and decentralized way for power players to secure their positions while retaining the trappings of electoral democracy. Indeed, having some vestiges of genuine competition in elections probably kept this system comparatively flexible - just enough democracy to let elites resolve some of their disagreements without resorting to violence, but not so much democracy that the people on the bottom might actually get the chance to upset the status quo in any meaningful way.

Lest you think I'm exaggerating when I suggest that blackmail networks might have to be viewed as a systematic part of how the American government actually operates, I think the life and career of J. Edgar Hoover can be instructive. The following taken from an article by one of his biographers.

The Guardian posted:

Research into the sex angle, meanwhile, may explain why � at the very time in US history that organised crime was on the rise and could have been effectively countered � Hoover failed to act. The man who had found fame for hunting down the bank robbers and bandits of the 30s let the Mafia flourish.

It seemed at first, before the Second World War, that Hoover would clamp down on the mob. Then, abruptly, he turned off the pressure. In the 50s, he actively obstructed the Kefauver Committee, which concluded there was indeed "a nationwide crime syndicate known as the Mafia". Not so, said Hoover. When a 1958 report by his own agents also said the Mafia was real, he dismissed it as "baloney". The FBI would take vigorous action only very belatedly, in the 1960s, under pressure from Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Former officials I interviewed, including three former attorney generals and several former assistant directors of the FBI, were at a loss to explain why Hoover refused to tackle the threat of organised crime. "Hoover's attitude," said Neil Welch, a senior former agent who eventually distinguished himself fighting the Mafia, "was so contrary to reality as to be a reason for great speculation."

Hoover himself, it is now clear, had contacts with organised criminals or their associates in circumstances that made it possible � likely even � that they learned of his sexual proclivities. More than one top mobster claimed the outfit had a hold on Hoover. Meyer Lansky, the syndicate's co-founder, was said to have "pictures of Hoover in some kind of gay situation" and an associate quoted Lansky as claiming, "I fixed that sonofabitch." Carmine Lombardozzi, who was known as "the Italian Meyer Lansky", said: "J Edgar Hoover was in our pocket."

Blackmail was the tactic that worked for Hoover, too, in his dealings with politicians. The title of my biography of him, Official and Confidential, derives from the name of a file group that was held in locked cabinets in Hoover's office. By an official count after his death, the Director held 883 files on senators and 722 on congressmen. Many documents were shredded after Hoover's death, but those that survive speak for themselves. An example is this 1959 report:

Dear Mr Hoover,

You may be interested in the following information� (NAME WITHHELD) [said] she had spent the afternoon of 3 June 1959, with Senator (NAME WITHHELD) in his private office. She also said she had sexual intercourse with the senator during the afternoon "on the couch in the senator's office�"

Sincerely yours,
James H Gale, Special Agent in Charge

Such reports, I learned, were used to bend politicians to Hoover's will. He might need their co-operation to procure funds, to gain political muscle, or to avert investigation of operations he preferred kept hidden. An aide to Senator Edward Long, the Democrat from Missouri, was to swear an affidavit describing what occurred when Long was planning hearings on the FBI � with a special focus on electronic eavesdropping. A senior Hoover aide came to call, and the conversation went as follows: "Senator, I think you ought to read this file that we have on you. You know we would never use it, because you're a friend of ours� We just thought you ought to know the type of stuff that might get around and might be harmful to you� They handed him the folder� Long read it for a few minutes. [Then] they went on their way. The next thing I knew we had orders to skip over the FBI inquiries."

Hoover snooped not just on politicians but on officials high and low, on Supreme Court justices � at least 12 of them � even on presidents. He built files on writers, actors, on citizens across the spectrum who caught his malignant eye. Many feared what the Director might have found � whether he had compromising information on them or not.

In life, Hoover denied time and again that there were such "secret dossiers". Acting Attorney General Laurence Silberman, the first person to peruse the secret files after Hoover's death in 1972, learned otherwise. "J Edgar Hoover," he told me, "was like a sewer that collected dirt. I now believe he was the worst public servant in our history."

Hoover maintained an elaborate blackmail operation on various politicians and used it to further his own political aims while almost certainly himself being deeply compromised by the mafia. And this is just what we more or less can be confident about and constitutes the tip of the iceberg.

Examples like this, while drawn from previous decades, ought to help demystify the idea that high level entrapment and blackmail schemes are a fairly routine part of how the government actually operates. Obviously none of this has any direct bearing one way or the other on the question of what Epstein was doing and who, if anyone, he was working for, but this kind of history is extremely important.\

-Edited for my terrible dyslexia

Helsing has issued a correction as of 04:58 on Jan 20, 2020

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Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1218867687071285251

what a hag

# ? Jan 20, 2020 01:01

Suplex Liberace: Jan 18, 2012

she looks like Miss Finster from recess

# ? Jan 20, 2020 01:22

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1218867687071285251

this is just to ward off suspicion when he has very unfortunate car accident

# ? Jan 20, 2020 01:36

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1218867687071285251

She's going to have the Provisional IRA deal with Andrew like she dealt with Dickie Mountbatten and Diana? :thunk:

# ? Jan 20, 2020 01:42

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Helsing posted:

Lest you think I'm exaggerating when I suggest that blackmail networks might have to be viewed as a systematic part of how the American government actually operates, I think the life and career of Herbert Hoover can be instructive. The following taken from an article by one of his biographers.

herbert jay hoover, president of gettin it in(to dudes butts)

# ? Jan 20, 2020 03:49

TCE: Feb 26, 2016

Just wanna give a shout out to Helloing for knocking out one killer essay after the next here. Great quotes too.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 06:00

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Google killed Misti Epstein

https://twitter.com/DrREpstein/status/1219132227021348864

# ? Jan 20, 2020 18:39

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

wow its a shame she just randomly swerved into the oncoming path of that semi. what a tragic accident that definitely wasn't caused by someone hacking her car

# ? Jan 20, 2020 18:57

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

OMGVBFLOL posted:

herbert jay hoover, president of gettin it in(to dudes butts)

I gotta apologize for this. I'm dyslexic and sometimes mix up common words or similar names. Just to be clear, that is a post discussing J. Edgar Hoover the FBI agent and not Herbert Hoover.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 19:08

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Helsing posted:

I gotta apologize for this. I'm dyslexic and sometimes mix up common words or similar names. Just to be clear, that is a post discussing J. Edgar Hoover the FBI agent and not Herbert Hoover.

no worries just havin a little fun with it (by putting it in hoovers butt)

# ? Jan 20, 2020 19:13

Failson: Sep 2, 2018; Fun Shoe

https://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=501810447

Kinda like that LA times reporter that went 100 MPH into a wall and exploded.

Whistle-blowers and reporters especially - Drive an old car.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 19:30

Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

Pretty sure that same reporter came across documentation that the government could indeed remotely operate vehicles during the course of one of his investigations. Like his life just became an X-Files cold open or something.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 20:31

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

Helsing posted:

I gotta apologize for this. I'm dyslexic and sometimes mix up common words or similar names. Just to be clear, that is a post discussing J. Edgar Hoover the FBI agent and not Herbert Hoover.

hoover wasn't just his last name, it also described his abilities

# ? Jan 20, 2020 21:21

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Helsing posted:

While I don't think anyone consciously planned such a system for the United States the basic elements of it were improvised out of necessity during the 20th century as economic and geopolitical developments made it necessary for the United States to develop an increasingly powerful layer of unelected bureaucrats responsible for managing the mixed economy of the warfare/welfare state and the sprawling international commitments this entailed.

Good post

Maybe it didn't start this way, but it absolutely is now a planned element. The most powerful people in the world sit down, talk, and plan. If anything its the 'western way' - an out of sight way of dealing with people that never gets made public. You publicly dispose of somebody and there's backlash and political apathy.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 22:20

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

helsing do you hew more to epstein as kind of franchise manager of his end of the blackmail network or do you think matt christman's take is correct, that he was a kind of cutout directed by his handlers, with very little agency over e.g choice of target? where would ghislaine fit into that? compelled by the idea that she acted as his handler when she joined the enterprise. explains why she has been afforded so much protection, also explains why no dead mans switch was triggered (assuming there was no body swap).

gh0stpinballa has issued a correction as of 23:16 on Jan 20, 2020

# ? Jan 20, 2020 23:06

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Pretty sure that same reporter came across documentation that the government could indeed remotely operate vehicles during the course of one of his investigations. Like his life just became an X-Files cold open or something.

Is that true?

# ? Jan 20, 2020 23:10

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

Communist Thoughts posted:

Is that true?

Anyone can, not just the govt

# ? Jan 20, 2020 23:12

Feral Integral: Jun 6, 2006; YOSPOS

Is there a thread for 'chaos' yet? Im already half way through

# ? Jan 20, 2020 23:35

Rookoo: Jul 24, 2007

Lol.
https://twitter.com/NarutoBiden/status/1219483561457262592?s=19

I'm almost certain one of the head designers was either on the flight logs or were friends with Epstein too. Game came out in 2010. I'm assuming Little Saint James was widely known about at that point?

# ? Jan 21, 2020 08:23

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Bobby Kotick was on the flight logs.

# ? Jan 21, 2020 08:32

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENRT7OzCztAbzUCUV5x-OGcqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww-9S0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

quote:

Avenatti is being held on lockdown 24 hours a day, with a guard keeping watch from outside his cell and two cameras trained on him at all times.

lmao the mcc gives avenatti 2 cameras and a guard

# ? Jan 21, 2020 15:54

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Real hurthling! posted:

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENRT7OzCztAbzUCUV5x-OGcqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww-9S0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

lmao the mcc gives avenatti 2 cameras and a guard

RIP basta

# ? Jan 21, 2020 16:12

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Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Real hurthling! posted:

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENRT7OzCztAbzUCUV5x-OGcqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww-9S0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

lmao the mcc gives avenatti 2 cameras and a guard

This is how the article ends. I encourage people to click on the link.

quote:

In addition to El Chapo, the MCC housed multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein until he killed himself in the prison in August.

There are six cells in the 10-South special housing unit where Avenatti is being held, sources told The Post. El Chapo was held in cell No. 1 during his time in the prison.

# ? Jan 21, 2020 16:19

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