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SLICK GOKU BABY: Jun 12, 2001; Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls

drunkill posted:

https://i.imgur.com/SfGx5BK.mp4

Seems like a safe landing area, powerpoles and wires, trucks... people in cars.

Seems like it was pretty safe until the truck decided to run into it?

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:02

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# ? May 26, 2024 13:55

Space Kablooey: May 6, 2009

drunkill posted:

https://i.imgur.com/SfGx5BK.mp4

Seems like a safe landing area, powerpoles and wires, trucks... people in cars.

they should have raised the helicopter

# ? Jan 19, 2020 16:28

Brute Hole Force: Dec 25, 2005; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Mr. Landis, your moving truck is going to be late.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 17:53

Poldarn: Feb 18, 2011

Brute Hole Force posted:

Mr. Landis, your moving truck is going to be late.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 18:04

Bad Munki: Nov 4, 2008; We're all mad here.

Here�s some fresh content you won�t find anywhere else courtesy yours truly, I think it counts as OSHA because the driver had to be either drunk or playing on his phone or otherwise distracted enough he could have killed someone.

Note: this is actually the 2nd of two hits in one pass. Further up the road, the driver took out two boxes, drove about 200� along the same pass, and then took these out. Pretty cool.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 18:06

French Canadian: Feb 23, 2004; Fluffy cat sensory experience

Bad Munki posted:

Here�s some fresh content you won�t find anywhere else courtesy yours truly, I think it counts as OSHA because the driver had to be either drunk or playing on his phone or otherwise distracted enough he could have killed someone.

Note: this is actually the 2nd of two hits in one pass. Further up the road, the driver took out two boxes, drove about 200� along the same pass, and then took these out. Pretty cool.

Indeed. The mail person will hurt their back bending over to put letters in those mailboxes. NOT OSHA!

# ? Jan 19, 2020 18:15

EvenWorseOpinions: Jun 10, 2017

drunkill posted:

https://i.imgur.com/SfGx5BK.mp4

Seems like a safe landing area, powerpoles and wires, trucks... people in cars.

A helicopter pilot I worked with for a while told me a story that one time he was extremely late on getting his medical and he would have to go through an insane amount of documentation and things and would be fired if he did not get his medical done that very day and unfortunately he was not near his company's chosen medical examiner. However, he did have his R44, so he flew to the hospital, landed in the parking lot, walked inside, and was confronted by the desk staff who told him he couldn't park his helicopter there, to which he responded "here's the keys, feel free to move it"

There are a lot of reasons to doubt the veracity of that story but I like it

E: The tail rotor is still spinning aaahhhhhh

EvenWorseOpinions fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 19, 2020

# ? Jan 19, 2020 18:30

TorpedoFish: Feb 19, 2006; Tingly.

More EPA than OSHA but:

Not great, not terrible, until you think about the fact that back then "dump it in the ground" was literally the way to dispose of whatever you had back then, not just used motor oil. So you have the ground thoughtfully absorbing benzene up in Love Canal, PCBs in the mud at the bottom of the Hudson River, Perc and TCE in Woburn, MA, god-knows-what in Tom's River, NJ (and also actually a lot of other sites in NJ) and Cleveland* and countless other places.

Oh, and radioactive sludge in Hanford, WA. Who knew that that could cause a problem? Just dump it in a hole in the ground, it'll be fine.

*Cuyahoga National Park is lovely and right outside Cleveland and also the only National Park to contain a Superfund site!

# ? Jan 19, 2020 19:53

Messadiah: Jan 12, 2001

Bad Munki posted:

Here�s some fresh content you won�t find anywhere else courtesy yours truly, I think it counts as OSHA because the driver had to be either drunk or playing on his phone or otherwise distracted enough he could have killed someone.

Note: this is actually the 2nd of two hits in one pass. Further up the road, the driver took out two boxes, drove about 200� along the same pass, and then took these out. Pretty cool.

Hey man, snowplows have the right of way, those mailboxes should've moved over for him.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 20:07

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

TorpedoFish posted:

More EPA than OSHA but:

Not great, not terrible, until you think about the fact that back then "dump it in the ground" was literally the way to dispose of whatever you had back then, not just used motor oil. So you have the ground thoughtfully absorbing benzene up in Love Canal, PCBs in the mud at the bottom of the Hudson River, Perc and TCE in Woburn, MA, god-knows-what in Tom's River, NJ (and also actually a lot of other sites in NJ) and Cleveland* and countless other places.

Oh, and radioactive sludge in Hanford, WA. Who knew that that could cause a problem? Just dump it in a hole in the ground, it'll be fine.

*Cuyahoga National Park is lovely and right outside Cleveland and also the only National Park to contain a Superfund site!

The number of these we just dumped in the ground and rivers in the 60s could fill a novel.

And here we are having to be the ones dealing with it.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 20:26

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

dilution is the solution to pollution, I think they used to say

# ? Jan 19, 2020 20:32

Shaman Tank Spec: Dec 26, 2003; *blep*

CommieGIR posted:

The number of these we just dumped in the ground and rivers in the 60s could fill a novel.

And in fact probably included several thousand novels as well.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 20:47

Atticus_1354: Dec 10, 2006; barkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbarkbark

oystertoadfish posted:

dilution is the solution to pollution, I think they used to say

They still do.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 20:51

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

oystertoadfish posted:

dilution is the solution to pollution, I think they used to say

Just build taller chimneys.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 21:15

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Nenonen posted:

Just build taller chimneys.

Or lower the water table.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 21:36

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

I'm gonna dump my pollution like this, and if the water table gets in the way, that's its problem.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 21:39

C.M. Kruger: Oct 28, 2013

CommieGIR posted:

The number of these we just dumped in the ground and rivers in the 60s could fill a novel.

And here we are having to be the ones dealing with it.

Indeed you can even read Max Gergel's memoirs on the site that hosts the Ignition! PDF:
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/gergel_isopropyl_bromide.pdf
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_ageless_gergel.pdf

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/05/27/max_gergels_memoirs

quote:

I came across the book in Duke�s chemistry library in 1984, a few years after its publication, and read it straight through with my hair gradually rising upwards. Book 2 is especially full of alarming chemical stories. I suspect that some of the anecdotes have been polished up a bit over the years, but as Samuel Johnson once said, a man is not under oath in such matters. But when Gergel says that he made methyl iodide in an un-air-conditioned building in the summertime in South Carolina, and describes in vivid detail the symptoms of being poisoned by it, I believe every word. He must have added a pound to his weight in sheer methyl groups.

By modern standards, another shocking feature of the book is the treatment of chemical waste. Readers will not be surprised to learn that several former Columbia Organic sites feature prominently in the EPA�s Superfund cleanup list, but they certainly aren�t alone from that era.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1993/mullis/lecture/

1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry winner Kary B. Mullis posted:

I never tired of tinkering in labs. During the summer breaks from Georgia Tech, Al Montgomery and I built an organic synthesis lab in an old chicken house on the edge of town where we made research chemicals to sell. Most of them were noxious or either explosive. No one else wanted to make them, somebody wanted them, and so their production became our domain. We suffered no boredom and no boss. We made enough money to buy new equipment. Max Gergel, who ran Columbia Organic Chemicals Company, and who was an unusually nice man, encouraged us and bought most of our products, which he resold. There were no government regulators to stifle our fledgling efforts, and it was a golden age, but we didn�t notice it. We learned a lot of organic chemistry.

https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=2960
https://www.postandcourier.com/free...0d9eb9daed.html

quote:

The Environmental Protection Agency sought to explain the cleanup process of a dioxin-contaminated industrial site to residents of a southeast Columbia neighborhood in a Jan. 17 community meeting. And while the residents left informed, some remained concerned about a housing development planned for property next to the polluted location.The site is at 912 Drake St. in the Brandon Acres-Cedar Terrace neighborhood off Garners Ferry Road. It was the home of the Columbia Organic Chemical Co. from 1944 until 1984, when the company moved to Kershaw County. Columbia Organic made various chemicals, including bromine, chlorine and insecticides.The EPA cleanup of the site will involve removing dioxin-tainted soil.Dioxins are a �man-made chemical byproduct formed during the manufacturing of other chemicals and during incineration,� says the Healthy Children Project web site. �Studies show that dioxin is the most potent animal carcinogen ever tested, as well as the cause of severe weight loss, liver problems, kidney problems, birth defects and death.�

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:04

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

i would not like to see his art. no thank you

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:26

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

i've heard it's aged well, like a fine cheese

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:40

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

He's famous for his careful cumpositions.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:44

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Oh and I have Kary Mullis' autobiography and he's a loving nut job. Clearly a very smart or very fortunate guy to have invented the polymerase chain reaction, but it's also apparent that he's got a severe case of smartest guy in the room syndrome and applies that to everything from climate change to psychic superpowers.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:47

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

Kary spent his Nobel lecture talking about his vacation to the Anderson Valley in northern California where he figured it out, and he's kinda trashing his ex girlfriend on the biggest stage of his life because he's weird, but he also names a mile marker on a highway where he pulled over to write the idea down. I found it on Google maps once, it's in a thread here somewhere. it looked like a nice drive

# ? Jan 19, 2020 22:57

CaptainSarcastic: Jul 6, 2013

I took this picture a couple years ago, and from nearby construction it looked like it belonged to a contractor of some sort. The crucifix presumably stowed away and they didn't drive around with it upright like that, but in keeping with the thread I like to think they just left it up and sped down the freeway with it upright like this.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 23:33

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

TorpedoFish posted:

More EPA than OSHA but:

Not great, not terrible, until you think about the fact that back then "dump it in the ground" was literally the way to dispose of whatever you had back then, not just used motor oil. So you have the ground thoughtfully absorbing benzene up in Love Canal, PCBs in the mud at the bottom of the Hudson River, Perc and TCE in Woburn, MA, god-knows-what in Tom's River, NJ (and also actually a lot of other sites in NJ) and Cleveland* and countless other places.

Oh, and radioactive sludge in Hanford, WA. Who knew that that could cause a problem? Just dump it in a hole in the ground, it'll be fine.

*Cuyahoga National Park is lovely and right outside Cleveland and also the only National Park to contain a Superfund site!

Wait till you hear what kids are doing with their used car batteries.

# ? Jan 19, 2020 23:56

i am harry: Oct 14, 2003

Nenonen posted:

Just build taller chimneys.

Just mix the fumes and smoke with steam so it looks good coming out the top.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 00:07

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

oil comes from the ground, oil goes back in the ground. what's the problem

# ? Jan 20, 2020 00:10

EasilyConfused: Nov 21, 2009; one strong toad

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I took this picture a couple years ago, and from nearby construction it looked like it belonged to a contractor of some sort. The crucifix presumably stowed away and they didn't drive around with it upright like that, but in keeping with the thread I like to think they just left it up and sped down the freeway with it upright like this.

Did it take anyone else like 20 seconds to figure out where the crucifix in the picture was?

# ? Jan 20, 2020 00:33

CaptainSarcastic: Jul 6, 2013

EasilyConfused posted:

Did it take anyone else like 20 seconds to figure out where the crucifix in the picture was?

Yeah, it's not the best picture but my phone at the time didn't have a great camera and it was more of a WTF shot than it was carefully planned.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 00:38

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

C.M. Kruger posted:

Indeed you can even read Max Gergel's memoirs on the site that hosts the Ignition! PDF:
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/gergel_isopropyl_bromide.pdf
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_ageless_gergel.pdf

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/05/27/max_gergels_memoirs

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1993/mullis/lecture/

https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=2960
https://www.postandcourier.com/free...0d9eb9daed.html

I posted this on facebook a few years ago and found out Gergel was my high school science teacher's scoutmaster when he was a kid.

It explained so much

# ? Jan 20, 2020 02:21

redgubbinz: May 1, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ej-TA1L9A

just keep smashing me from behind, I'm almost there

# ? Jan 20, 2020 02:37

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

C.M. Kruger posted:

Indeed you can even read Max Gergel's memoirs on the site that hosts the Ignition! PDF:
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/gergel_isopropyl_bromide.pdf
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_ageless_gergel.pdf

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/05/27/max_gergels_memoirs

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1993/mullis/lecture/

https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=2960
https://www.postandcourier.com/free...0d9eb9daed.html

Yup, ignition is a good read, we were incredibly reckless with chemical and nuclear waste prior to the EPA.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 02:57

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

quote:

Exposed to hexavalent chromium via direct osha violations at temp job for Billion dollar company. How do I properly document things? This situation is aggravating (self.legaladvice)

I'm working some extra hours for a scumbag temp agency over Christmas break. Pretty good hourly pay and long shifts for about 12 days straight. We're cleaning up aerospace hangers, including giant duct filter systems, with mass amounts of paint dust, paint chips... all containing hexavalent chromium. The contractors hired by the gigantic aerospace firm performed their own "air level tests" with an air pump to see if it was above the exposure level limit prior to our start, as required by regulation (by why on earth should I trust their own tests? they weren't done in real time on us doing the actual work). They're providing us with all the proper PPE (ventilators, tyvek suits, etc). I'm in the united states, state of Washington (HI Boe*ng!)

However, according to the regulations that I read, we are required to have a changing room to keep our street clothing and to change in and out of contaminated wear as to not track it to our vehicles and homes, sinks to wash our hands and face prior to food breaks, exposure limit tests in accordance with the task we are preforming --should the task environment change we get new air level tests. We are doing a lot of dry sweeping with brooms and air blasting of the dust and chips. According to the regulations, dry sweeping and air blasting are a last resort if vacuums and wet clean up are not possible. So this gigantic, likely million + dollar contract for a billion dollar firm, can't get some vacuums or use wet cleaning methods? yeah right. This is a load of BS.

None of this is happening. no changing rooms. no proper washing sinks (all we have is portable toilets with a foot pump sink outdoors with freezing cold water). We are changing into our PPE in the same exact indoor area where we are being exposed to the dust and paint chips. Some of the cleaning tasks involve being inside a giant hepa filter container full with a years worth of chromium dust and hexavalent chromium paint chips and there is no exposure level tests being done in that environment because I'm sure it would be levels way through the roof. these giant filters are insanely filthy with this chromium dust and paint.

The thing that's so aggravating is that the company we are cleaning for has all the proper facilities in spades, right there... onsite. But we aren't allowed to use them. We were told we'd be escorted off site and fired if we did. They have large locker rooms for changing with many showers, specialty washing sinks etc etc. Their own employees won't go near this stuff without going through the proper process of using the changing facilities and much more. It's Christmas break so none of their employees are even here anyway. Thus, we are being exposed to this toxic stuff by tracking it into our cars through our clothing and shoes. Most of my coworkers don't even wear the tyvex suit, some not even face masks.

How should I proceed?

what should I do to properly document this situation if I end up with health problems down the line?

I don't want my sperm count level to fall even 1% on account of some billion dollar company, why should I. It's outrageous that we aren't allowed to even use their washing sinks and are expected to use a porta potty sink in the middle of winter with freezing cold water.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/efp2rq/exposed_to_hexavalent_chromium_via_direct_osha/

# ? Jan 20, 2020 03:13

Cartoon Man: Jan 31, 2004

https://i.imgur.com/r9RLtQD.mp4

# ? Jan 20, 2020 03:50

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Genuinely expecting that guy to eat poo poo there.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 03:59

Brute Hole Force: Dec 25, 2005; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Rare video footage of the colossal S.Q.U.I.D.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 04:06

ncumbered_by_idgits: Sep 20, 2008

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Genuinely expecting that guy to eat poo poo there.

Yeah I was clenching the whole video.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 04:10

Khizan: Jul 30, 2013

All I can see watching that is how much of a clusterfuck that accident scene would be if he wiped out and went skidding across the asphalt. My back is screaming just thinking about it.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 04:16

Squalid: Nov 4, 2008

i am harry posted:

Just mix the fumes and smoke with steam so it looks good coming out the top.

this practice is what got the world's first laws about disposal of industrial chemicals passed.

quote:

The Leblanc process plants were quite damaging to the local environment. The process of generating salt cake from salt and sulfuric acid released hydrochloric acid gas, and because this acid was industrially useless in the early 19th century, it was simply vented into the atmosphere. . .

Because of their noxious emissions, Leblanc soda works became targets of lawsuits and legislation. An 1839 suit against soda works alleged, "the gas from these manufactories is of such a deleterious nature as to blight everything within its influence, and is alike baneful to health and property. The herbage of the fields in their vicinity is scorched, the gardens neither yield fruit nor vegetables; many flourishing trees have lately become rotten naked sticks. Cattle and poultry droop and pine away. It tarnishes the furniture in our houses, and when we are exposed to it, which is of frequent occurrence, we are afflicted with coughs and pains in the head ... all of which we attribute to the Alkali works."[10]

In 1863, the British Parliament passed the first of several Alkali Acts, the first modern air pollution legislation. This act allowed that no more than 5% of the hydrochloric acid produced by alkali plants could be vented to the atmosphere. To comply with the legislation, soda works passed the escaping hydrogen chloride gas up through a tower packed with charcoal, where it was absorbed by water flowing in the other direction. The chemical works usually dumped the resulting hydrochloric acid solution into nearby bodies of water, killing fish and other aquatic life.

# ? Jan 20, 2020 04:26