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Terper posted:It's Zero and CS4 Welp, forgot about that one. Crazy to think that we might get two translations of Zero in 2020.
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I've only played it once so far, but my gut instinct is that CS3 is the weakest of the CS games, but largely because it's so incredibly clearly a set up for CS4. The new characters are good to great, except Kurt who in defense, is just bland and has a cool mom. The original Class VII universally feels more adult and competent than they did before. However, I completely disagree with calling it an ensemble game compared to CS2. The flipside of so many characters is its heartbreaking how little you actually use of them. And unlike CS2 where every single character had a specific quest and just a little bit more story advancement....... we get some lopsided focus. Brave Orders are fun, but nowhere near as fun as Overdrives were. 2 > 1 > 3 Rean angrily screams a line about 40-50 hours into the game that I've wanted someone to since the climax of CS2. EDIT Any news on if they're gonna add some voice clips to the PC version? Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 12:40
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The ensemble isn't the old Class VII. It's the new Class VII. They all actually do things independently of Rean, and a couple of them are almost co-leads in certain chapters. Anyway, my rating is 3 > 1 > 2. Veryslightlymad posted:Rean angrily screams a line about 40-50 hours into the game that I've wanted someone to since the climax of CS2. It is a very good line read too. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 13:11
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Veryslightlymad posted:Rean angrily screams a line about 40-50 hours into the game that I've wanted someone to since the climax of CS2. is it "TIME TO STOP HOLDING BACK" I will also accept "I'M NOT DATING MY SISTER"
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Jan 18, 2020 13:16
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"IT'S MY TURN!"
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Veryslightlymad posted:EDIT I doubt they will in the initial release, if they were, why not mention that as a new feature? It's technically possible that there might be a DLC or free patch later... but I think it's unlikely.
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Jan 18, 2020 14:26
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Didn't that only happen with CS1 and 2 because XSEED had budgeted to license the Japanese voices then wasn't able to? It was something like that where they ended up significantly under budget so they used some of it for VA.
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Jan 18, 2020 16:48
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Hwurmp posted:is it "TIME TO STOP HOLDING BACK" I'm guessing it's What even IS the Phantasmal Blaze plan ? although that one was more at the 110 hours mark for me so it's probably something else. Death Priest fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 17:07
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Ys VIII spoilers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m28ZYeAeos0
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Death Priest posted:I'm guessing it's What even IS the Phantasmal Blaze plan ? although that one was more at the 110 hours mark for me so it's probably something else. It's this. But I double checked my clear data and my estimate is way off. Probably around 60-70 hours? It took me 82 for the game, so it's hard to estimate. EDIT I think this game is going to go up in my estimation looking back on it. I laughed out loud a few times (one or two things still give me the giggles every time I think about it), I applauded twice, and I also actually gasped at something completely unexpected a character did (probably not the one you think it is), and there's another couple of scenes that, while they don't meet these descriptions, have a lot of raw emotional weight. Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 21:15
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82 hours, is this NPC talk spamming that's inflating these numbers again, or is it actually long this time?
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Jan 18, 2020 22:00
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I'd guess it's around the same length as CS1 overall. Took me over 130 but I've also talked to everyone at every opportunity and play games kinda slow in general.
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Jan 18, 2020 22:13
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Yeah I finished a reasonably complete file in about 56 hours. Playtime inflates *a lot* with trying to talk to everyone at all times.
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Jan 18, 2020 23:05
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i talk to everyone with a journal entry at all times and it doesn't really inflate playtime by that much. maybe if you also talk to all the random townspeople in the outlying towns and such. i think whether you fight every monster you encounter or run past a lot of stuff in fields/dungeons is a bigger factor, also whether you go for all the side path chests or not.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:I'd guess it's around the same length as CS1 overall. Took me over 130 but I've also talked to everyone at every opportunity and play games kinda slow in general. Sounds like me. I'm also really terrible at finding book-giving npcs and I don't use guides on a first playthrough so that adds up quickly. I took 126 hours on my first playthrough. My second one is not yet done but it's going to be around 50-60 hours. edit: I'm talking about CS3. My first CS1 playthrough was around 90 hours. Death Priest fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jan 19, 2020 |
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Jan 19, 2020 00:19
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I also never preemptively skip VA. So if a line is voiced, I play it out.
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I play the games at high speed mode at all times, and I still put 40-50 hours in both CS1 and 2. I love that Juna has two different VAs at random times. Thanks NIS!
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Jan 19, 2020 17:40
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The Cold Steel series has resulted in some amazing blood lust while I play. Please, game. I want to kill at least one boss at this point. This is beyond absurd.
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I will play the next Cold Steel games with voice acting turned off if possible because I think it makes the games worse
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Jan 20, 2020 10:06
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I can't stop you, but I also can't understand you.
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Jan 20, 2020 10:50
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me, listening to the duvalie's lovely voice "i am crying tears of happiness listening to this, i will never be able to complete the game at this rate, i can only turn the voices off to get through this"
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Jan 20, 2020 10:56
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I play in Japanese and skip as soon as I've read the text
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Snooze Cruise posted:me, listening to the duvalie's lovely voice stop making fun of me
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I never read dialogue, or listen to voices why are all these schoolkids always so violent anyway, what must their parents think
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Shinjobi posted:The Cold Steel series has resulted in some amazing blood lust while I play. this is why i prefer ys' plotting every game has a handful of core recurring characters, the side cast says their goodbyes, and the bad guys get dead. with a sword. that you are swinging.
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Yeah, the lack of "mwahaha I win anyways because I am evil" in Ys has always been a point in its favor in my eyes. Trails, on the other hand, I just can't get into. I feel like I'm missing something with TitS because I got a couple hours in maybe and just dropped it out of boredom. Is there a specific point where it gets good that I should power through to, or is Trails just not for me?
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the first Sky game is an extremely slow burn, it takes like 20 hours of gradual world building before the plot really emerges in full. the whole series is like that really though Cold Steel gets you doing stuff a bit faster i think.
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unimportantguy posted:Yeah, the lack of "mwahaha I win anyways because I am evil" in Ys has always been a point in its favor in my eyes. Trails, on the other hand, I just can't get into. I feel like I'm missing something with TitS because I got a couple hours in maybe and just dropped it out of boredom. Is there a specific point where it gets good that I should power through to, or is Trails just not for me? Trails in the Sky is a slow burn which doesn't really move fast until late in the game. It's to get you settled into the world and connected to the characters instead of dropping events of incredible importance on you from the start. Events of incredible importance do eventually come along, but if you're not interested in the characters or spending time with them, you probably won't have the patience to stick it out. I almost want to say that the point at which you meet Olivier is the part which should either convince you to continue or drop it, but that's quite a few hours into the game.
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I completely bounced off the series incredibly hard with TiTs 1 but I liked TiTs 2 and Cold Steel a lot. TiTs 1 is a slow burn compared to slow burns.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Trails in the Sky is a slow burn which doesn't really move fast until late in the game. It's to get you settled into the world and connected to the characters instead of dropping events of incredible importance on you from the start. Events of incredible importance do eventually come along, but if you're not interested in the characters or spending time with them, you probably won't have the patience to stick it out. contrarywise, i've had the hot take that the first game and its languid pace is the best of the lot, because it's from the second one onward that the nigh-untouchable and omnipresent secret society shows up and begins haunting the plot from every game onward
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on a different note i'll say that one of the few examples of a returning character in the Ys series is also one of its high points, namely in Ys 7 when Geis tries to unlock the power of the first dragon statue, finds that someone has beaten him to the punch, and basically says, "What kind of suicidal idiot would just march into a cave in the middle of nowhere and accept a mysterious power from...oh no. Oh no."
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Cold Steel 2 black record spoilers: Somehow this twist doesn't surprise me too much since it seemed obvious from the get-go that Thomas was suspicious. Reminded me of Weissmann. Didn't expect Rosine to also be a part of this stuff. I'm also shocked something this seemingly important is only in new game+. This is important for CS3, right?
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Ryuga Death posted:Cold Steel 2 black record spoilers: CS3 explicitly flashes back to those NG+ only scenes and expects you to have seen them lol
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tbh Trails FC is pretty typical JRPG length (around 40 hours for me), it's just that you can't tell when the prologue is gonna end instead of throwing one more task at you going blind and the overarching story gets revealed by tying together the various incidents lategame instead of it being your main driver.
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Oxxidation posted:contrarywise, i've had the hot take that the first game and its languid pace is the best of the lot, because it's from the second one onward that the nigh-untouchable and omnipresent secret society shows up and begins haunting the plot from every game onward I mean, only in that they're telling you they're around. They were certainly haunting the FC plot too. They just don't bother telling you about it til late.
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the nigh-untouchable and omnipresent secret society are cool
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Oxxidation posted:contrarywise, i've had the hot take that the first game and its languid pace is the best of the lot, because it's from the second one onward that the nigh-untouchable and omnipresent secret society shows up and begins haunting the plot from every game onward Yeah, I agree with that, at least in part. The first Sky game started out slow and grounded, and the series quickly went into much more over-the-top stuff which really didn't seem to fit in with the world of Sky FC. One example which made me throw up my hands and go "WTF is this BS" was the part where (Sky SC late-game spoilers) someone shattered these gigantic, towering castle doors - meant as a defense against attack from loving tank shells - with a single blow with their bare hands.. Endorph posted:the nigh-untouchable and omnipresent secret society are cool They're boring because they're invincible villains with randomly fluctuating power levels depending entirely on whether the writers want the heroes to win or lose at that particular moment, and not on any other discernible criteria.
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unimportantguy posted:Yeah, the lack of "mwahaha I win anyways because I am evil" in Ys has always been a point in its favor in my eyes. Trails, on the other hand, I just can't get into. I feel like I'm missing something with TitS because I got a couple hours in maybe and just dropped it out of boredom. Is there a specific point where it gets good that I should power through to, or is Trails just not for me? I'll buck thread advice and tell you to give Cold Steel a crack if you can get it for cheap one day (or borrow it). Sky's battle system is kind of boring from Cold Steel's, and a lot of what's liked in these games is how detailed they are, where in between major enough plot points, almost every NPC you can talk to now has something different to say. So there's a lot of running back and forth that you can, to various degrees, ignore. But there are also a lot of encounters in the games, and the 3 Cold Steel games I've played are universally better than the three Sky games in combat system and how much fun you can have goofing around with it. EDIT The first couple of games, the bad guys do tend to win, though, or at least get away/are holding back/you need someone bigger and stronger than you to pull you out of the fire. The series tends to not have you definitively win against anyone until very late in the various arcs. And even then, they're very much against killing anyone, so if "putting the bad guys in the ground once and for all" is your thing, the series is definitively not for you. Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Echoing the "Try Cold Steel anyway" sentiment. That was where I got hooked and eventually went back to Sky.
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