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oxsnard posted:ok, so how were they able to release all those Parnas texts and documents then? Discovery* from a court case * may not be the right legal jargon
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That is the correct legal jargon. The Parnas texts & documents are materials that his attorney provided as part of discovery requests sent by the committee. Which kinda makes it funny because it suggests that these materials are what the legal team thinks is the least damaging.
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SubG posted:Right now the DOJ is refusing to release documents involving Kushner (e.g. the Mueller 302s) as part of a FOIA request, despite being ordered to do so by court order. So what's the next step there legally? Another lawsuit? Contempt of court?
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Citizen Rat posted:That is the correct legal jargon. The Parnas texts & documents are materials that his attorney provided as part of discovery requests sent by the committee. Which kinda makes it funny because it suggests that these materials are what the legal team things is the least damaging. They think they're the least damaging to Parnas while being the most damaging to Trump. It's the other guy, Furman, who's not cooperating and remaining loyal to Trump. Parnas, on the other hand, has a clear way to unfuck himself: get the democrats to give him use immunity in exchange for testifying. His extreme zeal for cooperation reflects the fact that he really wants to give them enough dirt they'll work with him. e: oh hey, news about this https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1219366207188623361 eke out fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 20, 2020 |
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Pander posted:So what's the next step there legally? Another lawsuit? Contempt of court? They're already being sued over this, you can follow Jason Leopold for more. It's all just about Mueller stuff that's largely unrelated to impeachment, though.
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eke out posted:They think they're the least damaging to Parnas while being the most damaging to Trump. It's the other guy, Furman, who's not cooperating and remaining loyal to Trump. True, good point. Especially in light of that article. Has there been any indication that democrats are willing to bite on that particular offer? I haven't spotted anything, but I've also not been reading for the tea leaves as it were.
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1219371425607319554 i dont know how great their polling is but its encouraging. could be alot higher though.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:42
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1219371425607319554 538 Lists them as an A/B pollster. More importantly though, it's up from 45% from the same firm a month ado
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oxsnard posted:538 Lists them as an A/B pollster. More importantly though, it's up from 45% from the same firm a month ado thats good.
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Citizen Rat posted:True, good point. Especially in light of that article. Has there been any indication that democrats are willing to bite on that particular offer? I haven't spotted anything, but I've also not been reading for the tea leaves as it were. they've been in discussions but it's, at best, unclear whether they'll want him to testify, given how that testimony would hurt the DOJ's case against him in new york (probably) but if they successfully convince the House that the DOJ is treating this as a political operation, refusing to work with them and delaying in hopes to delay the impeachment investigation, maybe the chance that the House works with them goes up
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1219371425607319554 Don't recognize the poller, so grain of salting here, but any time conviction is above acquittal it's bad for Trump. It was a metric that didn't track with his approval ratings until very, very recently.
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Pander posted:Don't recognize the poller, so grain of salting here, but any time conviction is above acquittal it's bad for Trump. It was a metric that didn't track with his approval ratings until very, very recently. the long-term graph of this is pretty remarkable just because of how incredibly steady it is  there's a slight uptick recently but really it's amazing there's so little variability
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Pander posted:Don't recognize the poller, so grain of salting here, but any time conviction is above acquittal it's bad for Trump. It was a metric that didn't track with his approval ratings until very, very recently. apperently the poller is cnn.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:apperently the poller is cnn. I think you mean state run media
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1219399171515592705 So they will be able to claim that they had witnesses while still covering up what the witnesses testify to. NICE.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1219399171515592705 people will see the obvious ratfucking. i feel like this won't go the way they think. i know that doesnt matter to these parasites but jesus.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:apperently the poller is cnn. They commissioned the poll. SRSS conducted it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:people will see the obvious ratfucking. i feel like this won't go the way they think. i know that doesnt matter to these parasites but jesus. It really would be better* for Republicans to go, "gently caress it!" and just 8am Tuesday vote to dismiss and call it a day. The damage is done and trying to pretend that it's not is making it worse. They're not going to change anyone's minds at this point toward Trump because there's nothing that could turn someone toward Trump. Their propaganda campaign has reached everyone it's going to reach. Getting it off their plate instantly would be the best option to make those people who don't pay attention to anything forget it. Everything else just keeps bringing up how corrupt Trump is and how corrupt Republicans are for working with him to cover up his crimes. * Better from the perspective of an immoral ghoul, of course. For everyone else, let them keep trying to play games.
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Random Stranger posted:It really would be better* for Republicans to go, "gently caress it!" and just 8am Tuesday vote to dismiss and call it a day. The damage is done and trying to pretend that it's not is making it worse. They're not going to change anyone's minds at this point toward Trump because there's nothing that could turn someone toward Trump. Their propaganda campaign has reached everyone it's going to reach. Getting it off their plate instantly would be the best option to make those people who don't pay attention to anything forget it. Everything else just keeps bringing up how corrupt Trump is and how corrupt Republicans are for working with him to cover up his crimes. true. just dismissing it would probably "help" them the most. the giant problem for them is that they can't expand beyond their core base anymore really. and i assume trump has probably shrunk that base somewhat as burned bridges. not matter what they do it will be in bad faith and most people know that. like you said. they reached who they can reach. so playing to the choir over the rest of the country is a dumb loving move.
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Random Stranger posted:It really would be better* for Republicans to go, "gently caress it!" and just 8am Tuesday vote to dismiss and call it a day. The damage is done and trying to pretend that it's not is making it worse. They're not going to change anyone's minds at this point toward Trump because there's nothing that could turn someone toward Trump. Their propaganda campaign has reached everyone it's going to reach. Getting it off their plate instantly would be the best option to make those people who don't pay attention to anything forget it. Everything else just keeps bringing up how corrupt Trump is and how corrupt Republicans are for working with him to cover up his crimes. The real question is how and when the GOP will pivot. They have to at a certain point, even with electoral math they will or likely have started to decline. Trump is the exact worst candidate to stem that decline but the perfect person to push away from and then attempt to rebrand and engage other demographics. The GOP has likely lost the Latino vote for generations, which is quite amazing since Bush Jr. did a frankly amazing job reaching out to them. By some accounts that was responsible for his re-election. I am not sure where they can go to make any inroads at. Trump seems to think he can get the black vote which I am not sure who or what is telling them that it is even a remote possibility.
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Djarum posted:The real question is how and when the GOP will pivot. They have to at a certain point, even with electoral math they will or likely have started to decline. Trump is the exact worst candidate to stem that decline but the perfect person to push away from and then attempt to rebrand and engage other demographics. The GOP has likely lost the Latino vote for generations, which is quite amazing since Bush Jr. did a frankly amazing job reaching out to them. By some accounts that was responsible for his re-election. I am not sure where they can go to make any inroads at. i think his polling with the black vote is like 7%positive or something. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1219416874108301312 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1219419390573273094 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1219399858555183104 they are gonna aquite him but i hope this fucks them hard in November. espcially since trump is probably gonna do more awful poo poo. also schummer is pissed at turtle. maybe he will find his spine but even if he does. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1219399392081432581 Does anyone else feel like this focus on Bolton is bait being laid out by the GOP? I feel like the focus should be on putting Trump himself on the stand and that this is a distraction that the Democrats are buying into. I dunno. It just feels like bait to me.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:Does anyone else feel like this focus on Bolton is bait being laid out by the GOP? I feel like the focus should be on putting Trump himself on the stand and that this is a distraction that the Democrats are buying into. Possibly. That being said. These guys are dumb enough to sink their own dude because they are afraid he has turned.
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Bolton could easily choose to bury Trump because he's a spite goblin. But he could also choose to just gently caress with Dems, depends if Trump goes on twitter and says Bolton has a small peen or something.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they are gonna aquite him but i hope this fucks them hard in November. espcially since trump is probably gonna do more awful poo poo. Of course, they were either going hold a vote the 1st day and give up any pretense whatsoever, or hold one a week and a half later under the silly fake pretense that it was an excessive amount of time since he was already innocent from the start. The whole point of this was to shave the 1-2% off Trump votes needed to ensure he doesn't get re-elected. Most* accounts indicate that it likely has achieved that result.
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FilthyImp posted:Bolton could easily choose to bury Trump because he's a spite goblin. But he could also choose to just gently caress with Dems, depends if Trump goes on twitter and says Bolton has a small peen or something. Bolton won't betray the republicans/trump. I do sympathize that I like the fantasy of it though.
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DandyLion posted:I think you mean Deep State run media
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DandyLion posted:Of course, they were either going hold a vote the 1st day and give up any pretense whatsoever, or hold one a week and a half later under the silly fake pretense that it was an excessive amount of time since he was already innocent from the start. Let’s hope it shaved more than that.
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FilthyImp posted:He would have had more if he hadn't stuck his dick into the FBI right after inauguration. What a loving self own. Doesn't matter, the FBI still loves him. DandyLion posted:Of course, they were either going hold a vote the 1st day and give up any pretense whatsoever, or hold one a week and a half later under the silly fake pretense that it was an excessive amount of time since he was already innocent from the start. It shaved off maybe 0.1-0.2%, if you're lucky. Nobody follows this stuff.
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Lambert posted:Doesn't matter, the FBI still loves him. They just fell down some stairs, is all.
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DandyLion posted:Bolton won't betray the republicans/trump. I do sympathize that I like the fantasy of it though. The thing is that he doesn't have to; there's already public information about his involvement. Bolton could go up to testify and say, "I never said that," and "All of those documents with my signature on them are deep state lies," but that doesn't work to protect him from criminal charges come 2021. It's easy to get away with lying to congress when there's no documentation and if someone does turn up something later then you "amend" your testimony. It's hard to do when they already know what you have said and done and are going to ask pointed questions about that.
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Lambert posted:Doesn't matter, the FBI still loves him. what the gently caress are you even talking about?
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FizFashizzle posted:No matter what crazy bullshit mcconnell tries to push through, remember none of it will be as nuts as Nixon trying to get a blind legislator to be the only one to read the transcripts of the White House tapes. He was deaf, actually. In one ear.  John Stennis was 72 and one of the Senate's oldest members. Had the special prosecutor not said "uh, no" this may have happened.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:true. just dismissing it would probably "help" them the most. the giant problem for them is that they can't expand beyond their core base anymore really. and i assume trump has probably shrunk that base somewhat as burned bridges. not matter what they do it will be in bad faith and most people know that. like you said. they reached who they can reach. so playing to the choir over the rest of the country is a dumb loving move. Dismissing without trial looks terrible to anyone outside of the deep end Trump tank and is not a trial as required by the constitution, giving the Democrats something to beat them all over their heads with until November.
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Lambert posted:It shaved off maybe 0.1-0.2%, if you're lucky. Nobody follows this stuff. I feel like saying that 0.1-0.2% of people are not familiar with what is going on with Donald Trump is pretty goddamn dumb. Even if you're a Casual Political Person it's kinda hard to miss "oh hey we almost a war"
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:He was deaf, actually. In one ear. gently caress! I messed that up. Oh well point stands! If mitch proposes Gohmert reads anything we know the jig is up!
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FizFashizzle posted:gently caress! I messed that up. Gohmert is a congressman and has no role in the Senate or its proceedings.
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