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I am still very much in the "Dr. Manhattan and Ozymandias should never have been part of this story about Hooded Justice's granddaughter" camp, even though I enjoyed most of their scenes.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Silly fuckin reply...that's why im talking about the non-original music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl3izXcp86w
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like "I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire", "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is (Will Understand)", etc
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Yes the show had bad ratings: Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(TV_series) There is no way in hell that HBO would cancel a second season if they had good viewership. It was just a bad show in my opinion and if you enjoyed it that is totally fine. But you should be aware of different opinions on this show. The low ratings just have me convinced that most people (and I mean people who are not terminally online) just either didn't care too much or were unaware what the show was about. From a marketing standpoint, they shot themselves in the foot by not calling it something else or giving it a subtitle or something. All you end up doing is mostly marketing to two different groups of people: Watchmen fans and Prestige TV show fans. The casual audience just ended up not giving a poo poo and probably being confused. zer0spunk posted:I mean, not really? You have a property that doesn't want to be a franchise, made by a guy who is officially done with it after the story he wanted to tell, made in a medium that is super specific in both how it tells the story and in the story itself on more levels then I even have time to get into. Heavily agree with this post.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yes the show had bad ratings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl3izXcp86w  imdb has all eps at 8 and above, with 4 of them being above 9
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I binged it after the show finished airing with the idea that it was capital B bad, but found the story pretty engaging and the ending very pulpy but still in tune with the rest of the series. Watching Manhattan head pop a bunch of fascist Rorschachs was very satisfying viscerally, and the ending of the story was an indictment to those who side with Ozymandius and those who co-sign the “hard men making hard choices” ideology (cough *MarvelMovies* cough). Only change I’d make is getting to see that smug Senator’s face right before he burst like a water balloon.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yes the show had bad ratings: HBO is a subscription platform, so just listing the premiere ratings on television wouldn't include most of its viewership. You have to include online, and HBO's metrics tell a very different story. Also even if you only include the TV ratings it was the highest rated debut season of anything HBO put out in 2019. https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hbo-watchmen-ratings-1203425067/ quote:Through its seven episodes so far, the show, created and executive produced by Damon Lindelof, is drawing an average of 7.1 million viewers across HBO’s linear channels and streaming platforms. According to HBO’s tallies, “Watchmen” is premium cable’s most popular new series of 2019, and HBO’s most-watched new series since “Big Little Lies.”
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The Wire has terrible ratings throughout its entire run. It’s a shame goobusters wrote it off in their mr. bibs-like quest to only watch media that’s certified fresh.
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lol poo poo didn't realize it's the same fuckin poster again At this point I'm sus of their potential chudness with how hard they are posting against the show
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"Prove to me that the trillionaire with the convoluted murder plot shouldn't be trusted with godhood" was a better posting gimmick.
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Arist posted:HBO is a subscription platform, so just listing the premiere ratings on television wouldn't include most of its viewership. You have to include online, and HBO's metrics tell a very different story. Also even if you only include the TV ratings it was the highest rated debut season of anything HBO put out in 2019. I love self reported numbers too
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Why are you so insistent on having this conversation if no evidence is good enough for you, my dude
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Lindelof is bad!!
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Kill All Cops posted:Lindelof is bad!! No poo poo. Why is it he gets to go to a production company saying "I have a great idea!" and they just hand him money instead of saying "Yeah, that's a neat idea, but where are you planning on going with it?" I'm just salty though because I just tried watching The Leftovers, which like the Watchmen had me totally hooked out the gate and then just devolved into "Uh...sorry folks...I just have no goddamn clue what to do here...uhhhhh..." by episode eight.
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Treme also got terribly low ratings and it stayed phenomenal all the way through. What were the ratings on Carnivale or Deadwood? It’s crazy thinking goo slept on these shows because the ratings were bad. Anyone know the ratings of Twin Peaks: The Return? I want to know if Showtime feels the same way about ratings that goobusters does.
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Leftovers S1 had a pretty clear tract from the beginning though- it was entirely about people processing something traumatic on a global scale that literally could not be explained, and how they slowly begin to rebuild their lives. While I personally feel there's a drop in quality for S2 and S3, they still at least do hearken back to some version of that idea. Its far more consistent than either Lost or Watchmen were. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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ruddiger posted:Treme also got terribly low ratings and it stayed phenomenal all the way through. If I recall correctly Canivale's ratings were inexplicably poor, but the problem with Deadwood was that they built the whole town as a set and it was insanely expensive to maintain it all since they had to have staff on hand doing perpetual upkeep on it in between seasons.
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ruddiger posted:Treme also got terribly low ratings and it stayed phenomenal all the way through. I never said the ratings of a show tell you if a show is good or not. I think you have reading comprehension issues if you believe that though. Personally I think Twin Peaks The Return is the greatest season of television. I also think Watchmen HBO was a really bad season of television both ratings wise and content wise.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Fact And my point is HBO doesn’t give a gently caress about ratings, which is why I posted those low rated shows with multiple seasons. It’s clear what your agenda is with the ratings, don’t be a coward and hide behind your gooniness. Own them rating numbers, Mr. Bibs.
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Killer robot posted:"Prove to me that the trillionaire with the convoluted murder plot shouldn't be trusted with godhood" was a better posting gimmick. lol, whose gimmick was that? I must’ve missed it when trying to reread the thread (I had to skip huge swaths due to all the poo poo posting).
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ruddiger posted:lol, whose gimmick was that? I must’ve missed it when trying to reread the thread (I had to skip huge swaths due to all the poo poo posting). the person you quoted shaaaaddddaaaaappppppp
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Raxivace posted:Leftovers S1 had a pretty clear tract from the beginning though- it was entirely about people processing something traumatic on a global scale that literally could not be explained, and how they slowly begin to rebuild their lives. Leftovers S1 was based on the book, so the structure for a decent story was already there. S2 and S3 was just pussy footing around Kevin's descent into insanity until the ending lol parallel dimension.
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ruddiger posted:And my point is HBO doesn’t give a gently caress about ratings, which is why I posted those low rated shows with multiple seasons. The show isn't worth this weird meltdown you're having over me man
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Ahhh what a good show this was.
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Watchmen doesn't need a second season. It was a perfectly satisfying and well-written contained story that respected the source material as best it could. I'm happy that they didn't plan to drag it out. I've rewatched the series once watching it with a friend, and the story was set up and laid out from the beginning. I don't remember before The Leftovers was excellent television as well but haters gonna hate I hope we can all agree that JJ was the weakest link in the LOST duo
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Rat posted:Watchmen doesn't need a second season. It was a perfectly satisfying and well-written contained story that respected the source material as best it could. I'm happy that they didn't plan to drag it out. I've rewatched the series once watching it with a friend, and the story was set up and laid out from the beginning. I don't remember before JJ wasn't even a part of the Lost duo (all he did was the pilot lol)
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The REAL Goobusters posted:JJ wasn't even a part of the Lost duo (all he did was the pilot lol) Is it genuinely fun and fulfilling spending this much time posting about how much you don't enjoy a single season television show?
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Rat posted:Yes and yet Lindelof delivered this beauty in 2019. JJ moved on to offer the world the cinematic masterpiece Rise of Skywalker I'd rather think about the only good movie JJ made, which was Mission Impossible 3.
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Rat posted:Yes and yet Lindelof delivered this beauty in 2019. JJ moved on to offer the world the cinematic masterpiece Rise of Skywalker TBF it’s very fun to talk about how this show had a garbage ending, and how Lindelof is a complete hack.
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Sleeveless posted:Ahhh what a good show this was. Agreed 
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Fly Molo posted:TBF it’s very fun to talk about how this show had a garbage ending, and how Lindelof is a complete hack. I am in awe of how it all came apart over the last 2.5 episodes. It's truly remarkable.
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Kill All Cops posted:Leftovers S1 was based on the book, so the structure for a decent story was already there. S2 and S3 was just pussy footing around Kevin's descent into insanity until the ending lol parallel dimension. Leftover ending discussion: Do you really think there was a parallel dimension? As a viewer, all we have to go off of was Carrie Coon's word as to what she saw. Personally I read it as she yelled the safeword and just hosed off to Australia. If the parallel dimension existed, and that guy could really cross people over, it would have been way bigger in that universe as pretty much everyone that was stuck in the other world would have come back.
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What we're all ignoring is that no second season means we don't get to have naked, blue Regina King. And that's quite sad.
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KoRMaK posted:the person you quoted Holy poo poo. How did goobusters rack up 4 pages worth of posts on a show they hated from the beginning? I take it back, the show isn’t good. It’s freaking amazing. It really broke something in that poor goon’s brain. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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ruddiger posted:Holy poo poo. How did goobusters rack up 4 pages worth of posts on a show they hated from the beginning? Did you read my posts lol. Pretty sure all the broke brains are goons like who you who lost their minds cuz I didn’t like the show you liked. The only good thing this show had going for it was the score. I still bump it
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I'd rather read criticism about the show then on people's posts. Yawn. What else is there to say about this dead bad show at this point. 
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Sleeveless posted:OZYMANDIAS: Masks make people cruel Sleeveless pretty much got this thread’s number early. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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KoRMaK posted:the person you quoted That wasn't me, I was mocking them with everyone else. But around the finale a couple people jumped into a "she said she was going to make the world better and she killed those white supremacists so there's no real reason to believe she wasn't a real deal hero who deserved godhood" line of argument. I don't remember who exactly without hunting back through the thread.
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I like the idea that Damon Lindelof, a total centrist brokebrain, accidently created a work of socialistic masterpiece.
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Bedshaped posted:I like the idea that Damon Lindelof, a total centrist brokebrain, accidently created a work of socialistic masterpiece. How is it socialistic? At the very end it celebrates Angela, a violent person who doesn't have a problem abusing power and doesn't answer to authority, grabbing godlike power for herself. That's a textbook objectivist fantasy. It doesn't really have a real message.
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Bedshaped posted:I like the idea that Damon Lindelof, a total centrist brokebrain, accidently created a work of socialistic masterpiece. Gonna need a source on this epic quote
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