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bring back the Black Panthers oxsnard fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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SimonCat posted:Removing a pistol grip doesn't do a thing for how deadly a weapon is. In guess you don't need them then
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Jan 21, 2020 17:01
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ummel posted:True, but you would have missed Voyager and Enterprise and the Kelvin timeline.... I wouldn’t say he’s missing it. Doctor Butts posted:”A was good for X back then, so it's just as good as Y is for X now” is a bad argument. The pistol grip argument reminds me of this greentext from a few years ago e: linked to limit shitposting https://i.imgur.com/1GPcDG8.jpg Just as the founding fathers intended  oxsnard posted:bring back the Black Panthers They’re actually why we have all the absurdity surrounding the second amendment right now. Because like most things that rural whites freak out about, it has its roots in racism. More perfect did a podcast about it, it’s fascinating. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/radiolab-presents-more-perfect-gun-show Before the black panthers started open carrying no one gave a poo poo. e.pilot fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Jan 21, 2020 17:02
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DeathChicken posted:Andy Richter had a quote awhile ago that summed up American gun culture. Paraphrasing, "How dare you infringe upon my stupidass delusion that one day I will be Rambo" Specifically not First Blood Rambo who kills cops though, the Rambo of the sequels who kills commies and non-white furriners.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:04
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Reminder that gunchat is heavily moderated in this thread. Don't shitpost about it.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:06
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fool of sound posted:Reminder that gunchat is heavily moderated in this thread. Don't shitpost about it. Your posts mesh well with your grumpy AV, as if it's saying "you guys.....i'm getting sick of your poo poo".
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Jan 21, 2020 17:19
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I absolutely understand both viewpoints with regards to the gun situation. I just also worry about people on the left unironically adopting the "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" rhetoric.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:24
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kidkissinger posted:Because a pistol grip is more comfortable for a wider range of hands to hold. And the ergonomics and comfort of a weapon have a huge impact on your ability to quickly ready and aim it. The idea of banning pistol grips and box mags is to decrease the number of people killed in a particular shooting, not to prevent shootings entirely. This is a bad and dumb goal, compared to trying to eliminate mass shootings, but that is the goal targeted bans like this set out to accomplish.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:26
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Phobic Nest posted:Specifically not First Blood Rambo who kills cops though, the Rambo of the sequels who kills commies and non-white furriners. Nah, that's the awesome thing about these morons. They have blue lives matter bumper stickers but fantasize about having to protect themselves from the government.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:31
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Thought you all would enjoy Glenn's impending arrest and execution. https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1219654412056039430?s=19 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 21, 2020 17:33
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Mr Hootington posted:Thought you all would enjoy Glenn's impending arrest and execution. sucks. he does great work when it comes to brazil. hope he and his family are able to get out.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:38
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e.pilot posted:
This is just wrong. Triangle bayonet wounds were no harder to stitch up than any other common melee puncture wound.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:40
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Mr Hootington posted:Thought you all would enjoy Glenn's impending arrest and execution. With regards to Trump and Russia Glenn is a piece of poo poo and has his head in the sand, but nobody here wants harm to come to him, especially when he is doing important work fighting Brazilian monsters.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:43
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ImpAtom posted:I absolutely understand both viewpoints with regards to the gun situation. I just also worry about people on the left unironically adopting the "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" rhetoric. Arming minorities has the double edged sword of making reasonable gun legislation pass faster.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:49
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hanales posted:You literally are talking about personal self defense when the op was talking about fighting fascism. Also you didn’t actually list a successful example. Your friend doesn’t need a gun, if mace or a taser wouldn’t be effective a gun likely wouldn’t either. It just “makes them feel better”. I'm going to be blunt here: this post is a textbook demonstration of how many privileged white males have lived such a sheltered life that they lack all perspective in understanding what it means to live every day under constant threat. quote:It’s cool that you hate “liberals” tho, good to know they are yet again the problem with America. The moral cowardice of liberals is a much bigger problem in America than the active hatred of chuds- one needs only observe Pelosi's enabling of the child death camps/using her power to silence citizens who spoke out about the camps for a clear demonstration that the apathy of the comfortable is a far greater social evil than even open racism. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Jan 21, 2020 17:53
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Yeah man, I love when a guy I think is just misguided and has blind spot on one issue, but does good and neccesary work otherwise, is being persecuted  Just makes my day Has anyone in this thread ever said they even hate Glenn Greenwald? I think most of us just think he has a blindspot
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Jan 21, 2020 17:55
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TulliusCicero posted:Yeah man, I love when a guy I think is just misguided and has blind spot on one issue, but does good and neccesary work otherwise, is being persecuted i kinda dislike him but i think he makes some great stuff when it comes to brazil and i think he should stick to that. that being said i dont want him dead. i just wish he realizes that he is being a blind dickhead about various issues.
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Jan 21, 2020 17:59
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TulliusCicero posted:Has anyone in this thread ever said they even hate Glenn Greenwald? I think most of us just think he has a blindspot i think he's acted like a tremendous rear end in a top hat for years now to basically anyone opposing trump (he's not pro trump, but he's been quite consistently anti-anti-trump) and i also think that him being an rear end in a top hat is totally irrelevant to this current news that a fascist government is prosecuting him for totally legitimate journalism exposing their corruption
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Jan 21, 2020 18:00
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TulliusCicero posted:
Please do not do this. There have been many posters who have called Glenn a fascist collaborator who basically deserves whatever happens to him- mostly because he has appeared on Fox News. (As if appearing on CNN or MSNBC is somehow morally different than appearing on Fox) Most of those posters are much less active than they used to be- but (in previous versions of this thread) finding any pretense to argue that Glenn Greenwald is a bad man who deserves bad things was something of a pastime for certain posters.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:02
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ascii genitals posted:Hey Im pretty sure they were asking a serious question. I dont know who Lizzo is either, are they a US politician? Pretty sure that's a no too. The issue isn't ignorance of popular culture, it's using that ignorance as an excuse to avoid discussion.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:03
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https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1219664002336247812
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Jan 21, 2020 18:09
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Greenwald has been anti-Russiagate, which seems pretty reasonable given that Russiagate is a stupid narrative pushed by establishment Democrats to cover up for their own failings/corruption.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:22
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"End welfare!"  "for people that are a different color than me!"
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I think its probably important to signal that most of this aid goes to big corporate farming and not your rando rural farmer.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:24
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eke out posted:i think he's acted like a tremendous rear end in a top hat for years now to basically anyone opposing trump (he's not pro trump, but he's been quite consistently anti-anti-trump) Yes clearly he hasn't evaluated the evidence and reached a different conclusion than yours he is just reflexively "anti-anti-Trump", that's a very sophisticated and useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:35
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Prester Jane posted:Please do not do this. There have been many posters who have called Glenn a fascist collaborator who basically deserves whatever happens to him- mostly because he has appeared on Fox News. (As if appearing on CNN or MSNBC is somehow morally different than appearing on Fox)
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I think its probably important to signal that most of this aid goes to big corporate farming and not your rando rural farmer. there really isn't a distinction between the two - nearly all farms and farmland in the united states are what we would think of as "family farms" and where the corporate influence comes in dominating the sale of farm supplies and the purchase of farm products. there isn't really such a thing as people showing up at the Corn Co. farm to clock in for a shift when corporations can just negotiate contracts with individual farmers to produce certain quantities of product on certain dates. the best way to think of it is that most of the rando rural farmer's business is done with large companies, and the rando farmer is likely to be a subcontractor for some large company even if the actual land and assets are in the family name. chicken farming especially is nothing but contracts, it's a whole lot like uber or other gig economy stuff except instead of driving 10,000 passengers one at a time in your own car you raise 10,000 chickens all at once in your own barn so while corporations directly are not getting these payments, any money given to rando farmers will benefit agribusiness very soon after the checks are cashed
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Jan 21, 2020 18:40
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oxsnard posted:i worked at a chemical plant that had this fire chief who was a former Navy Seal and he taught self defense classes. He loved guns but he told everyone in our annual training that a gun is totally stupid as a home invasion defense tool. He said to get a 10 lb fire extinguisher and put it under your bed. You can shoot that stuff like 20 feet, it doesn't require good aim, and works great to incapacitate people. Plus you can swing it as a blunt weapon. Gun freaks just jack off to the idea of shooting a (brown) person breaking into their home A fire chief, huh? Sounds like he's already in the pocket of Big Extinguisher
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Trump could never lock up Hillary. Bolsonaro will absolutely lock up Glenn, key points.
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Jan 21, 2020 18:42
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Helsing posted:Yes clearly he hasn't evaluated the evidence and reached a different conclusion than yours he is just reflexively "anti-anti-Trump", that's a very sophisticated and useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with. personally I think lovely sarcasm is also not a particularly sophisticated or useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with, consider putting a little more effort into your posts rather than just injecting hostility into a forum you are a moderator of eke out fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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luxury handset posted:there really isn't a distinction between the two - nearly all farms and farmland in the united states are what we would think of as "family farms" and where the corporate influence comes in dominating the sale of farm supplies and the purchase of farm products. there isn't really such a thing as people showing up at the Corn Co. farm to clock in for a shift when corporations can just negotiate contracts with individual farmers to produce certain quantities of product on certain dates. the best way to think of it is that most of the rando rural farmer's business is done with large companies, and the rando farmer is likely to be a subcontractor for some large company even if the actual land and assets are in the family name. chicken farming especially is nothing but contracts, it's a whole lot like uber or other gig economy stuff except instead of driving 10,000 passengers one at a time in your own car you raise 10,000 chickens all at once in your own barn Did not know that, thanks.
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Helsing posted:Yes clearly he hasn't evaluated the evidence and reached a different conclusion than yours he is just reflexively "anti-anti-Trump", that's a very sophisticated and useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with. The way Glenn words his posts on the topic very, very much feel reflexive, rather than carefully arrived at. That doesn't mean he hasn't done good work, but for the issues most relevant to USPol, he's often just a bit of a dick.
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eke out posted:personally I think lovely sarcasm is also not a particularly sophisticated or useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with, consider putting a little more effort into your posts rather than just injecting hostility into a forum you are a moderator of
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Helsing posted:Yes clearly he hasn't evaluated the evidence and reached a different conclusion than yours he is just reflexively "anti-anti-Trump", that's a very sophisticated and useful way to make sense of the people you disagree with. At this point this is pretty much gaslighting. GG tried to say that things didn't happen, conclusive evidence came out that they did (including in his own publication!), and he never walked it back or tried to refute the new evidence. The most charitable interpretation is that he gets spots on Tucker Carlson to push whatever his real agenda is and says stuff against Trump's critics without aiming at Trump as a way to pay the piper. Edit: Here's him drawing conclusions that make no sense after the Mueller investigation got multiple people in Trump's orbit arrested for coordinating with Russia: https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
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Jan 21, 2020 18:59
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Glenn is bad on USPOL stuff but right now he is being attacked by fascists in Brazil and that’s not cool
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Jan 21, 2020 19:06
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Prester Jane posted:I'm going to be blunt here: this post is a textbook demonstration of how many privileged white males have lived such a sheltered life that they perspective in understanding what it means to live every day under constant threat. 
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luxury handset posted:there really isn't a distinction between the two - nearly all farms and farmland in the united states are what we would think of as "family farms" and where the corporate influence comes in dominating the sale of farm supplies and the purchase of farm products. there isn't really such a thing as people showing up at the Corn Co. farm to clock in for a shift when corporations can just negotiate contracts with individual farmers to produce certain quantities of product on certain dates. the best way to think of it is that most of the rando rural farmer's business is done with large companies, and the rando farmer is likely to be a subcontractor for some large company even if the actual land and assets are in the family name. chicken farming especially is nothing but contracts, it's a whole lot like uber or other gig economy stuff except instead of driving 10,000 passengers one at a time in your own car you raise 10,000 chickens all at once in your own barn There are still true family farms that aren't contracted with big corporations and operate entirely independently but they're vanishingly few in number. Where I live it's mostly cattle ranches which aren't remotely as profitable as corn or beans. Of course those small independent operators don't usually see much federal aid. And yeah it's basically impossible to ranch or farm unless you inherit because you're talking several million dollars in land and equipment to get started.
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Mr Hootington posted:Thought you all would enjoy Glenn's impending arrest and execution. I think Greenwald is a shithead and bad actor at times but this is utter bullshit. He should absolutely not be under arrest and this is terrible.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Glenn is bad on USPOL stuff but right now he is being attacked by fascists in Brazil and that’s not cool He was also amazingly good on USPOL up until about the time the Russiagate stuff started, and had been a prescient voice warning about surveillance and the intelligence services of our country. I also think it’s important to call out the number of misreported stories and retractions that outlets less critical of the story have had to make. I think it’s safe to say there is quite enough feverish lorecrafting going on around it to spread the accusations of disinformation pretty evenly.
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e.pilot posted:25 years for murdering someone in cold blood doesn't seem comically short? Okay. Its a perfectly acceptable sentence in America that would be considered draconian in civilized countries.
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