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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

gh0stpinballa posted:

helsing do you hew more to epstein as kind of franchise manager of his end of the blackmail network or do you think matt christman's take is correct, that he was a kind of cutout directed by his handlers, with very little agency over e.g choice of target? where would ghislaine fit into that? compelled by the idea that she acted as his handler when she joined the enterprise. explains why she has been afforded so much protection, also explains why no dead mans switch was triggered (assuming there was no body swap).

This is something I'm still mulling over and so far it feels like we don't have enough information to say anything definitive. It does seem like Epstein have some specific focuses - many of his prominent American targets and friends seem to be affiliated with the Democratic party and/or the tech industry. Is that because these are just the kind of people that Epstein could reach and who he was most comfortable around or was that somehow assigned to him? I honestly don't know. It might have been a mix of both: he mostly managed his day to day affairs without supervision but was sometimes given specific tasks, or he had a broad mandate to pursue a general goal such as cultivating and maintaining political influence over certain parts of the tech and philanthropy sectors. Then again, I also think its possible (though not my preferred explanation) that he had intelligence connections but was actually more of a self made man than we realize.

If Epstein did have a mission then I suspect it was somehow tied up in the clandestine relationship between Israel, Saudi Arabia and American intelligence. This relationship has become better publicized in recent years but it goes back decades and when you read about the "Safari Club' in the 1970s or the BCCI scandal you'll immediately get strong Epstein vibes. The BCCI in particular seems like something we should be looking to for a better understanding of the world Epstein traveled in. So building on my previous post about Hoover, I suspect that men like Epstein might have helped provide some of the glue that held together the awkward partnership between clandestine forces in America, Israel and Saudi Arabia. Having an unlimited supply of dark money, weapons, humans and drugs were probably incredibly useful for fighting against the influence of the Soviets and other hostile groups.

By the way, I had the chance to give Ghost Stories For The End of the World a listen and enjoyed the first episode.

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Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

The reporter that died in a crash was Michael Hastings. Not sure he was reporting on car hacking, but his reporting got General McCrystal(?) ousted, and he said he was being followed.

Here's a car hacking article from the olden days:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10119492

Fiend
Dec 2, 2001
Is car hacking a Vault 7 thing?

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

yeah i second that about BCCI, we should do a deeper dive into that itt because, as with epstein, it's an absolutely perfect example of how people at that level of power operate. and there are so many branching lines of inquiry too, lots to explore.

thanks for the kind words dude, next ep coming soon.

sand maggot
Jan 3, 2020

Fiend posted:

Is car hacking a Vault 7 thing?

Yes. https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Also, thanks for the effort-posting Helsing. Your insight and knowledge on the history of the U.S. government is fascinating to read.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
How does the 2019 movie CATS fit into the story of the Epstein world?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

Dumb Lowtax posted:

How does the 2019 movie CATS fit into the story of the Epstein world?

all the children who played mice need a wellness check

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


edit whoops wrong thread

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Avenatti Didn't Kill Himself

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

gh0stpinballa posted:

yeah i second that about BCCI, we should do a deeper dive into that itt because, as with epstein, it's an absolutely perfect example of how people at that level of power operate. and there are so many branching lines of inquiry too, lots to explore.

thanks for the kind words dude, next ep coming soon.

the Board of Control for Cricket in India did nothing wrong :colbert:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

the Board of Control for Cricket in India did nothing wrong :colbert:

other than being pro-cricket

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Dumb Lowtax posted:

How does the 2019 movie CATS fit into the story of the Epstein world?

CATS is the real life version of The King In Yellow, and thus an artifact of Hastur, while Epstein and his circle were servants of Shub-Niggurath.

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
the mother of a thousand young is a bad mother if she lets Epstein anywhere near them

TCE
Feb 26, 2016
What does anybody here know about Craig J. Spence, and his call boy ring? It always seemed like there was more to that story - his interview and suicide note are enough to give you the creeps already - , but from what I can tell information is either very scarce, or, if more abundant, than from dubious sources.

Sleekly
Aug 21, 2008



https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1220209102082596864?s=19

Vodos
Jul 17, 2009

And how do we do that? We hurt a lot of people...

Great, so now they can claim all the info to be released is faked by the Russians.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

the willingness of the judges, lawyers and media to perpetuate the fiction that maxwell will ever see the inside of a court room...it's quite something

Sleekly
Aug 21, 2008



Vodos posted:

Great, so now they can claim all the info to be released is faked by the Russians.

yeah it was cleanup or its blackmail. more muddying the waters

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

are there any good sources for information about the ranch? i hear tell of people disappearing in the area going back years, can't verify tho.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Vodos posted:

Great, so now they can claim all the info to be released is faked by the Russians.

Powerful people already avoid any consequences, at least if it all gets leaked we can see it.

(I'm betting this goes nowhere though.)

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

(I'm betting this goes nowhere though.)
but whos taking that bet :thunk:

reading this thread makes reading the climate thread more soothing than alarming , at least

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

"Damaging information" is such a surreal phrase, when describing finding out child molesters molested children.

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!
these pictures of celebrities consuming the souls of children have been described as, not a good look chief.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
b-but my FAVs!

Tempora Mutantur
Feb 22, 2005

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

b-but my FAVs!

consider them implicated

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

byob historian posted:

but whos taking that bet :thunk:

reading this thread makes reading the climate thread more soothing than alarming , at least

I mean in the sense that there's been a few stories about hackers getting into stuff like this and the files never becoming public.

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

"the court wishes it could take these emails into account, but they were evidence obtained illegally!"

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Anyone can, not just the govt

if its interesting to you, don't watch if you have any kind of schizophrenia or similar mental illness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0SrxBC1xs

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

remember when goons were certain he was the next president

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Modest Mao posted:

if its interesting to you, don't watch if you have any kind of schizophrenia or similar mental illness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0SrxBC1xs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Death

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

gently caress

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'



if ur investigating the intelligence agencies please, for the love of God, drive an old car!

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

so i guess an interesting question is what year did cars start getting remotely activatable internet killswitches

if you choose to forego online features, does your car still have a remote suicide feature

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Another reason to ditch your car. They just keep piling up!

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Here's a good one https://www.politico.eu/article/prosecutor-nato-chief-auditor-committed-suicide/

quote:

High-ranking NATO official Yves Chandelon, whose body was found in his car in the Belgian town of Andenne on December 16, killed himself, the chief prosecutor in charge of the case told POLITICO.

Chandelon, a 62-year-old Liege native, was auditor general at the NATO Support and Procurement Agency (NPSA), charged with logistics for the alliance's headquarters in Capellen, Luxembourg. He may have also been involved in probing terrorism financing and money laundering, according to media reports.

"Mr. Chandelon was responsible for executing the NSPA audit programme of work only, which focused solely on NSPA responsibilities, and did not include any activity associated specifically with counter terrorism, or money laundering,” a NATO official said on Wednesday.

Chandelon's body was found near the town of Andenne in Belgium's Ardennes region, some 140 kilometers from his office and 100 kilometers away from his residence in the town of Tournai.

Local media reported that Chandelon's family initially dismissed investigators' view the death was a suicide, believing it was suspicious. The prosecutor's office said some members of the family subsequently changed their minds when investigators found a one-page, handwritten note in the car.

"We cannot go into details on the content of the note but we can say that it is linked to some investments [which had] gone wrong that Mr Chandelon had done with some friends. The family was not aware of these investments," Prosecutor Vincent Mack said. He added that an autopsy had confirmed suicide was the cause of death and a toxicology exam failed to find the presence of any narcotics.
Ah well according to Nato not only did he definitely kill himself, but his work had nothing to do with the things he was in charge of like "counter terrorism." Reassuring. Oops dropped this https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2016/12/24/nato-chief-auditor-yves-chandelon-found-dead-in-suspicious-incident

quote:

Yves Chandelon, the chief auditor of NATO relating to terrorism financing and money laundering, has been found dead in his car in an incident that raises suspicions.

62-year-old Chandelon's death, resembling a suicide with a shot fired to his head, occurred on Dec. 16 and the body was found in his car the same day although the incident was largely kept away from the media. Belgian press started covering the incident on Dec. 21 as his family raised suspicions about his death.

Despite Chandelon being left-handed, a gun was found in his right hand, and the gun was not one of Chandelon's three registered guns. These details raised suspicions about an assassination rather than a suicide.

Fiend
Dec 2, 2001

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Another reason to ditch your car. They just keep piling up!

Yeah, the coroner found out Michael Hastings died from dandruff - his Head and Shoulders were ejected 50’ from the car.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
https://twitter.com/hash_tigre/status/1220921563131699200?s=20

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

did you guys see the guardian story about how the leader of neonazi terror group the base is a CIA agent.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

gh0stpinballa posted:

did you guys see the guardian story about how the leader of neonazi terror group the base is a CIA agent.

https://books.google.com/books?id=y...nazzaro&f=false

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papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

quote:

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