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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Hey Droyer, I don't know it you read it around Christmas, but The Doctor gave me a MechFansToys Swerve that came with a cool little Diaclone Shell. You're the Diaclone person, what do you think I should do for a pilot? It doesn't look like the other Diaclone suits they make come with figures either... are they meant to scale with official Diaclone stuff? I don't have any official Diaclone stuff so I can't try it out. MFT makes little pilots https://www.ebay.com/itm/MFT-MS-DA-...ar=512515193910 edit: sorry those aren't actually in stock but look for diaclone pilots and you'll find them. long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Pics or or didn't happen. Which ones? That's a Powered System, though it seems to be an original design rather than a straight-up knockoff. You'll want a Dianaut for it, they're the little pilot figures in the first pic of my album. There are sets of just the pilots you can buy but they're kinda pricey. If you end up with more diaclone stuff it's all the same scale so you can use any spare dianauts you have lying around though. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Takara-Tomy-DIACLONE-04-dianauts/dp/B0744DLKHY I assume you can buy KOs but I don't really do that so idk where you'd find them.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Pics or or didn't happen. Which ones? The Magic Square and Transform Element versions. I locked in cheap preorders and other are excellent. As for Hound, a dude on FB posted about it and I had it in my cart but decided to pass.
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Jan 21, 2020 21:06
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Droyer posted:That's a Powered System, though it seems to be an original design rather than a straight-up knockoff. You'll want a Dianaut for it, they're the little pilot figures in the first pic of my album. There are sets of just the pilots you can buy but they're kinda pricey. If you end up with more diaclone stuff it's all the same scale so you can use any spare dianauts you have lying around though. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Takara-Tomy-DIACLONE-04-dianauts/dp/B0744DLKHY Back in the day I had a couple of the dianauts with magnets in their hands and feet so they could magnetically attach to things.
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Jan 21, 2020 21:47
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ruddiger posted:Back in the day I had a couple of the dianauts with magnets in their hands and feet so they could magnetically attach to things. The new ones still have magnets in the feet. They're also insanely poseable for their size with articulation in the shoulders, elbows, hips, knees and waist.
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Jan 21, 2020 21:57
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Rhyno posted:gently caress official MP basically. I paid $90 each for two 3P Primes that look every bit as good as MP-44 in bot mode if not better. Last time I payed over $400 for a toy/model it was the 1/144 HG GP03 Dendrobium, which was a foot tall and a meter long, and it didn't have knees that could explode or weird backpacks. gently caress, the box it came in was the size of one of those plastic tubs you get from wal-mart for $6. Isn't hound only the size of a Deluxe for over $160? looking at Peaugh's video of him, they probably could have saved some of the cost if they didn't pin EVERYTHING, which would also have helped him look better, and improved stability. It would have left some of the parts looser, but it's easier to fix loose then broken into 4 pieces because of design flaws. And if they'd stop molding hinges in clear plastic.
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Jan 22, 2020 03:23
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i have weijiang's 13 inch megatron and it kind of sucks that the stock turns into his feet but he's in scale with my mp01 and looks better than mp36 from essentially every meaningful angle for much less money. gently caress mp basically
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Jan 22, 2020 04:47
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The more I look at it the more I want Maketoys Despotron as my main Megatron. He's all stocky and wide and looks like he'd gently caress you up.
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Jan 22, 2020 05:02
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He looked really nice when he came out, he just didn't have a cartoon accurate face But I always liked the way that figure looked more, body wise. He didn't look like he'd break into a million pieces
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Jan 22, 2020 05:04
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I really should have bought it when it was $60 during black friday but we bought a new furnace so I tried to behave. I'll probably pick him up next time I see a sale.
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i think the make or break for me with megatron is the face a lot of the time. i really like how despotron looks overall, he reminds me of the IDW All Hail Megatron design, where he's just a loving beast with the red inside-leg detailing: but i'm not sure about despotron's face, it just doesn't really look that much like megatron to me. I think mp-36 has a really perfect set of faces. despotron's eyes are just a little too small, and i think his lips are kinda more overlordy than megatrony. i am in the market for a megatron of that build though. I think he looks really great. edit: with regards to MP pricing, the new bumblebee would cost me more than I paid for my Fanshobby Double Evil, who is an absolutely massive figure with incredible engineering and amazing articulation and poseability. i get that bumblebee is a smaller character, but if you're not even delivering on the engineering front for that much money, then what the gently caress are you doing? i get making hinges out of translucent plastic on a deluxe pricepoint figure, but when you're charging 10x as much just loving make a solid colour hingepiece that the translucent window slots into. making one extra piece can't be the breakpoint for whether you make a profit on a tiny figure that costs so much. the whole point of the masterpiece line is to be a much higher quality line than the CHUG stuff, but masterpiece seems to be getting worse while chug keeps getting better, so the difference now seems to just be 10x the price for some moveable fingers and chipped paint. i think the larger MP figures, like mp-44 and beast wars megatron, still look like great toys, just not at those prices. the smaller MPs though, they seem like a joke. juggalo baby coffin fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 06:12
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Oh yeah, I will always buy Beast Wars MPs.
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Jan 22, 2020 07:00
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i'm still waiting for either a price drop or a good KO of beast wars megs.
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Jan 22, 2020 10:22
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mp-36 is goddamn spectacular and succeeds at everything it sets out to do. unchallenged articulation, unparalleled engineering, and a perfect recreation of what the character actially looked like. decades of nostalgia poisoning have turned Megatron into a badass and a bruiser with real gravitas. Megatron is, in the original cartoon, none of those things - he's a weasely, conniving, lanky creep with a big gun and a bad attitude. MP36 recreates that perfectly. Thighs must be seductive.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i'm still waiting for either a price drop or a good KO of beast wars megs. It's shipping now, we'll see if it's quality.
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Jan 22, 2020 11:49
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DoctorWhat posted:mp-36 is goddamn spectacular and succeeds at everything it sets out to do. unchallenged articulation, unparalleled engineering, and a perfect recreation of what the character actially looked like. oh i didnt mean to phrase it like criticism of mp-36, i absolutely love mine (well, my IT-01 KO version) and I think he's a perfect representation of cartoon megatron. nothing else comes close. i've said it before but i like the more sinewy, lean megatron because it makes him look more like an old soldier, who makes up for any disparity in physical strength using his cunning and dirty tricks. but I do also like the all hail megatron bruiser version. not so much the mtmte version though, he kinda looks like an armada toy.
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Jan 22, 2020 12:15
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Personally I'm not super choosy, so the TR Megatron I have is fine for the moment, and if I upgrade it'll probably just be to one of the other CHUG Megatron figures released in the last couple of years
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Jan 22, 2020 12:20
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MP36 rides an extremely fine line, his transformation is bordering on the incomprehensible, but I was able to suss it out without instructions, which can't be said for some transformers. IMO MP Shockwave is the perfect level of complicated transformation, whereas MP36 is on the too complex end of things, but not frustratingly so even if it has like 50 steps from one mode to another. It all fits together surprisingly well in both modes, definitely up there with my favorite transformers. Other, non-multi-hundred-dollar transformers I'd put as my favorites, 2007 Movie Wreckage and Longarm, Generations Springer, ROTF Mindwipe, and Animated Prowl who is basically a perfect figure
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Has anybody done an MP style transmetal Megatron? Not the big dragon, I want a rollerblade vtol t rex
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Karma Tornado posted:Has anybody done an MP style transmetal Megatron? Not the big dragon, I want a rollerblade vtol t rex Not yet. There's a tiny one from Toyworld. The guys who made the huge fuckin TM2 Megatron said they'd like to get to it someday but it's not on the agenda for now.
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VERY COOL MAN posted:i have weijiang's 13 inch megatron and it kind of sucks that the stock turns into his feet but he's in scale with my mp01 and looks better than mp36 from essentially every meaningful angle for much less money. gently caress mp basically I love him, especially the magnetic Laserbeak, but I only transformed him once and I will never ever do it again.
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Rhyno posted:Not yet. There's a tiny one from Toyworld. The guys who made the huge fuckin TM2 Megatron said they'd like to get to it someday but it's not on the agenda for now. That l'il Toyworld guy actually looks pretty good, I'll have to keep an eye out for when it comes out
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So character development is "nostalgia poisoning"?
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Steve Vader posted:So character development is "nostalgia poisoning"? I mean, that is kinda directly contrary to the premise in nostalgia properties of reviving the old series and characters as they were before. I don't think it really counts as "character development" when it's technically a separate character in a separate continuity who just shares the same name and design. It is interesting that while the original G1 Megs was incompetent, needlessly cruel, barely inspired loyalty, and later went through a total mental breakdown, which was all more typical to fascist stereotypes at the time, later incarnations tried reverse-engineering his leadership of the Decepticons as being somehow meritocratic, so that he was one of the cleverest and toughest of the decepticons, with a whole cult of personality keeping the loyalty of his men. I thought philosopher-turned-gladiator-sadist Megatron leading a revolution-turned-conquest in IDW was a really interesting story in IDW, but I feel like it lacked some followthrough. Or maybe I've just had a lot of complex feelings lately about the idea of an extremely competent fascist dictator. And not just because of current politics, but because I've been learning a lot about history lately, both about revolutions and about historical fascists. I think I'd like to see a Napoleonic take on Megatron.
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I don’t know if it was easier to make a buffoon-type bad guy back in the day because of cultural expectations, or we just stopped trying because we saw so many. I wonder if they’ll make a comeback. Society’s woes are so abstract that a powerful dumb bully being bested in a cartoon seems like a relief.
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One thing to keep in mind though, Megatron absolutely DID rule through power most of the time, even in G1. He was also pretty much one of the most competent and clever Decepticons by default- short of Soundwave, he was usually the one coming up with schemes more complicated than "Shoot Megatron in the back" like Starscream He wasn't as strong as any of the combiners but 1 V 1 it was pretty much just Optimus that was stronger than him. The thing with OG Megatron was that he was a tyrant and cruel, without any redeeming qualities and no apparent reason. The basis has always been there that he was cleverer and stronger than the other Decepticons, though it could be exaggerated here and there, it was the nuance that was added later.
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I kinda liked the strange arc of Marvel Megatron, despotic and cruel with a lot of weird side journeys and complete mental breakdown about not being able to kill Optimus Prime himself, but still able to kick Predaking's rear end. I think he spent most of his time in those comics not in command at all.
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The James Robert visions for Megatron is without a doubt my favorite take on the character.
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G1 megatron did come out on top in a rumble against blitzwing, astrotrain, and devastator in 'triple takeover'. I think the G1 megatron most fans draw on is megatron from the movie, where he's brutally effective, merciless, and cunning. he leads a super successful assault on the autobot base, murders a bunch of long running characters, then kills optimus by fighting dirty. i think the sudden change from cartoon villain to a seriously menacing megatron left a big impression on a lot of people, including me. where IDW megatron was weakest to me was in its parallels to real life. the writers explicitly mentioned basing young megatron on UK socialist hero Tony Benn, and his fall into evil on the corruption of the soviet union, but that didn't really make sense. the russian revolution was hijacked by people who were bad from the beginning, because the principled, tony benn style people who led it didn't want to take power after the tsars were overthrown. i don't think innately good guys can become evil sadists. they can do bad stuff, sure, but not like serial killer level poo poo. IDW evil megatron does too much stuff that is just evil for evil's sake, rather than 'ends justify means' type stuff, to be anything but a sadist. it'd make more sense if either terminus was the tony benn type, and enlisted bad egg megatron to help him, or megatron was the tony benn type and the decepticon movement got hijacked by bad dudes, like how shockwave took over in the marvel comics. I like marvel comics megatron and galvatron too, especially how apocalyptically powerful they had galvatron be. the idea of him being from a universe where unicron won, and being sent to another one to clean up after his fuckup counterpart was good.
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Steve Vader posted:So character development is "nostalgia poisoning"? the g1 cartoon megatron we're describing neer got character development. instead, new versions of megatron constructed by commitee and half-remembered versions of the 86 movie were erected in memoriam.
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DoctorWhat posted:the g1 cartoon megatron we're describing neer got character development. instead, new versions of megatron constructed by commitee and half-remembered versions of the 86 movie were erected in memoriam. There are simpler ways of saying this man Also better ways that use proper grammar, are you phone posting right now? What's up, that seems off
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My MMC Onslaught is on his way! Two Combaticons to go!
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Yeah I'm phoneposting. I only ever phonepost actually. Sorry, I'm taking out a frustration I have with Transformers fandom on people who don't deserve it. MP Megatron and Sunstreaker are some of my favorite toys of all time. Sometimes it can be frustrating to see the qualities I admire and desire in a figure - conversion complexity, screen-accuracy (even when it's awkward or ugly), dramatically appropriate scale - be dismissed or even reviled by huge swathes of the fandom. I've seen homophobic slurs used to insult MP36's proportions and Shockwave's shade of purple. Fandom is exhausting and I was posting angry. I just don't want to see my favorite aspects of collecting be phased out by HasTak appealing to reactionary fan groups. The MP line has enough problems already without capitulating to weirdos who aren't me. At least now it appeals to the kind of weirdo I am.
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I like MP36 a lot. I just like the squat, stocky design of Despotron a lot too. And while I don't care for the lavender they painted him in, I'm not about to use a slur for it, the fandom is indeed terrible.
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DoctorWhat posted:Yeah I'm phoneposting. I only ever phonepost actually. yeah i find the wider fandom very annoying. they have a very selective memory of how things were in the show and go nuts if anything deviates from their imagination. the amount of fuss people made over the fanstoys stunticons being the same size (relative to MP-10) that they were in the tv show was and is insane. MP-36 is the ideal masterpiece figure to me, even with the back kibble. Sunstreaker looks fantastic too, i haven't had the chance to pick him up yet but i would like to. bumblebee is a car crash and its hard to get around that, but i don't think mp-44 would be getting the amount of criticism it has gotten if it wasn't for the price. i could get three road kings for the price of one MP-44 so of course i'm gonna scrutinise it to hell. an extreme price demands an extreme product. slender thighs and blocky torsos are like the signature transformers look, if people on tfw think that looks 'gay' they might want to find a different franchise. the amount of homophobia in the transformers community has surprised me, and it comes in such bizarre forms. like the losers being mad at chromedome and rewind's relationship in the comics is predictable, people insisting rattrap looks like a girl because he makes them too horny is really pretty shocking to me. people repainting spinister to be more macho is also very strange. my favourite TFs i had as a kid were mostly from the super bright colours period, and i would kill for a masterpiece spinister. give me all of the pink and purple robots.
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I wonder if there will be a Generations Select Artfire. I guess a new Seeker mold also means the opportunity for a dozen other obscure seekers to be a toy.
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Did anybody in-universe know that Galvatron was the same dude as Megatron?juggalo baby coffin posted:i don't think innately good guys can become evil sadists. they can do bad stuff, sure, but not like serial killer level poo poo. IDW evil megatron does too much stuff that is just evil for evil's sake, rather than 'ends justify means' type stuff, to be anything but a sadist. Redemption is a really complex thing to show in stories, and I don't personally believe that anyone is innately good or bad inside and anyone can become anything, but with IDW specificially, it seems like a lot of the important beats of Megatron's redemption were either scattered or buried by complicated crossover event stuff, and then by the time he got shuffled over to MTME, Roberts just seemed to assume that Megs had finished his redemption, and he never bothered to connect all the other horrible, horrible things Megatron did with his redemption. Roberts kinda leaned in the direction of Starscream's testimony, the idea that the bulk of Decepticons were acting on their own initiative rather than on orders or ideology from Megatron specifically, and Megatron was just tolerant of atrocities from his subordinates. A lot of what IDW did with the origins of the war remind me of the French Revolution, an internal conflict justified by fighting inequities that somehow snowballed into a big huge war against the rest of Europe. And then the Autobots I guess are like if the war in the Vendee was a lot bigger. Might be neat trying to match up Ratbat, Shockwave, Straxus, Scorponok, and the other Decepticon leaders to the Directorate, Committee of Public Safety, and and the Consulate, but then Megatron could be Napoleon, swooping in to take control of everything before super doubling down on making war against all of Europe for more clear but still not good reasons. I guess Optimus Prime would be Lafayette and Starscream would be Talleyrand.
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Thanks for the Diaclone help, folks!Rhyno posted:The more I look at it the more I want Maketoys Despotron as my main Megatron. He's all stocky and wide and looks like he'd gently caress you up. He can. He will.  Burkion posted:He looked really nice when he came out, he just didn't have a cartoon accurate face He doesn't!  His hip/butt flaps are on hinges a little smaller than I'd prefer, though. Otherwise a great figure! juggalo baby coffin posted:yeah i find the wider fandom very annoying. they have a very selective memory of how things were in the show and go nuts if anything deviates from their imagination. the amount of fuss people made over the fanstoys stunticons being the same size (relative to MP-10) that they were in the tv show was and is insane. MP-36 is the ideal masterpiece figure to me, even with the back kibble. Sunstreaker looks fantastic too, i haven't had the chance to pick him up yet but i would like to. I have to stop myself from conflating different parts of the fandom, especially the ones who freak out about things not being exactly like the cartoon. I loved the "Original Toy BUT BETTER" phase of the Masterpiece line, though MP Sunstreaker is amazing. And... what's this about Rattrap now?
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:And... what's this about Rattrap now? But extra funny since trap eh eh? You probably don't know what that means.
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