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Juul-Whip posted:youtuber shoe0nhead is very obviously pivoting to being left wing after years of being buddy-buddy with open white supremacist fascists and people are just... letting her do it Unless you think she’s going to try and do damage from within you should be supporting this.
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CharlestheHammer posted:militia types don’t give a gently caress about national capital Not directly but it's no coincidence the party of "corporate tax breaks uber alles" puts up with a lot of bullshit to keep them in the tent.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Unless you think she’s going to try and do damage from within you should be supporting this.
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the most charitable assessment of people like her "changing teams" is that they see their alt-right revenue stream drying up and are just looking for a new keg to tap insincerity shouldn't be trusted
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it's fine to not trust her and not give her any money for having Correct Opinions all of a sudden but do what about it? no one should be wasting time trying to manipulate private media platforms
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Regarde Aduck posted:Unless you think she’s going to try and do damage from within you should be supporting this. please don't support blatant opportunists Dreylad posted:it's fine to not trust her and not give her any money for having Correct Opinions all of a sudden but do what about it? no one should be wasting time trying to manipulate private media platforms
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Regarde Aduck posted:Unless you think she’s going to try and do damage from within you should be supporting this. Agreed. I know nothing about this lady, but in general it's important to let people outgrow their dumbfuck phase. A lot of goons went through a libertarian phase way back when, and we're all glad most of them grew out of it. Even an insincere pivot gets the person to engage with ideas and points of view they hadn't considered before. Along with their maturing brain meat this can let them comprehend a more complex understanding of the world. Nobody should be trapped forever by the mistakes their dumbfuck past self chose.
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I don't care about it either way except that it's a sign that the left is growing more powerful in the terrible world of Online
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I think it's a bit different between someone who produces political content for revenue and, say, people who run groups that help youth who are at risk at becoming/are white supremacists, but I share the general sentiment
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She’s been weirdly obsessed for years with developing a feud with Kristi Winters, the actual social scientist who slaughtered sargon in a “debate” about whether universities should allow the social sciences to exist. Post-2016, Winters has become a #stillwithher radical centrist who despises Sanders and blames him for all the abuse she gets from nazis. I feel like this is somehow tied up in that. I will never trust shoeonhead about anything. She’s as crooked as that breitbart reporter with the stick-on eyebrows.
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Epic High Five posted:I don't care about it either way except that it's a sign that the left is growing more powerful in the terrible world of Online I eagerly await the day the stereotypical anonymous rear end in a top hat youtube commenter is more associated with class war than race war
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Facebook Aunt posted:Agreed. I know nothing about this lady, but in general it's important to let people outgrow their dumbfuck phase. A lot of goons went through a libertarian phase way back when, and we're all glad most of them grew out of it. indeed, I understand and agree with you to an extent regarding allowing a person the possibility of renouncing their sins and becoming better for it but a wiser old stoner than I once explained that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, and in this context “I no longer believe that [most of you] should be genocided” is going to require more substantial corroboration than a handful of steaming fresh internet video content before a lot of folks will put much weight on it, and understandably so imo tl;dr the way she’s talking is encouraging, but talk is cheap
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:She’s as crooked as that breitbart reporter with the stick-on eyebrows. And by a weird coincidence, if I remember my inconsequential facts about minor alt-right people correctly, shoeonhead ALSO has no eyebrows because she has Trichotillomania.
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SatansOnion posted:indeed, I understand and agree with you to an extent regarding allowing a person the possibility of renouncing their sins and becoming better for it Antifa Turkeesian posted:She’s been weirdly obsessed for years with developing a feud with Kristi Winters, the actual social scientist who slaughtered sargon in a “debate” about whether universities should allow the social sciences to exist. I'm going to say why I think people are just filled with sour grapes about the fact a LOT of the people liberal culture warriors were actual reactionaries, while the Joe Rogan's and Shoe's of the world were the more complicated (if stupider) ones. And it relates to this... Epic High Five posted:I don't care about it either way except that it's a sign that the left is growing more powerful in the terrible world of Online Her videos talking about the Democratic Primary versus talking about annoying "Wine Aunts" or "Titty Anime Police" have WAY less views but she's making a lot more of the former than the later. If she were actually ducking or pivoting for clout, it's a dumb move that for some reason she seems to be passionate about. Also keep in mind she voted for Bernie in 2016, tweeting about how real he felt and how much he actually connected to what she felt was important. In fact, for every Sargon, there has been a version of Shoe0nHead that pivoted to Bernie or something. People don't here don't seem to remember that people were loving tired of hypocritical, hollow liberal norms during the second half of the Obama era, but there was no large, present Leftist voice to explain why and they ended up congregating into communities because of a mutual disgust, not ideology. Likewise a lot of peoples faves like Jon Stewart or the Youtube Atheist Owner #34 and...Bernie Sanders were "forced" to work together after Bush was elected or when the Tea Party formed. Like the truth is, you might have always had more in common with ShoeOnHead politically and culturally than say Kristi Winters, but the fact the internet was still in the Daily Show level of discourse
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:She’s been weirdly obsessed for years with developing a feud with Kristi Winters... From the drama that I've seen about her, I think the pivot is based on her strong feelings about queer and trans rights. She sees it as obvious, and doesn't like the hypocrisy of her fans who love freedom but want to restrict lgbt rights. She won't recant what she said in the past, because she thinks of herself as cool and edgy, and not one of those whiny lefties.
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ekuNNN posted:I'm part of a project tracking and documenting international far-right violence, so if do you happen to come across stuff like this where you know it's committed by far-right people, please post it in this thread. Here’s one I haven’t seen listed outside of local news, in Oklahoma. He was walking around with a rifle in black neighborhoods and police stations while live streaming. https://kfor.com/2019/11/16/self-proclaimed-2nd-amendment-auditor-bonds-out-of-jail-after-judge-refuses-bond-reduction/ e: more info in this article https://kfor.com/2019/11/12/self-proclaimed-second-amendment-auditor-arrested-in-oklahoma-city/ Silver Nitrate has issued a correction as of 03:02 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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ekuNNN that ^^^ is a nazi site and not posting a link, but may be worth connecting via a VPN and looking at various "political prisoners" to see what crimes they committed
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Silver Nitrate posted:https://kfor.com/2019/11/12/self-proclaimed-second-amendment-auditor-arrested-in-oklahoma-city/ Thanks very much! Edit: and thanks BMD, also for the warning The 2019 report came out recently and I didn't post it here yet so: quote:2019: The Year In Fascist & Far-Right Extremist Violence ekuNNN has issued a correction as of 03:20 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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re: shoe0nhead skepticism over supposedly former chuds/centrists dipshits is 100% reasonable, but i think it's also fine if we allow people to change, assuming they're being genuine. i don't like what shoe has done in the past, but she's also young and stupid, and we were all that way once, so i'm willing to give her a bit more leeway. keep her on a short leash, praise her when she does good, and when she strays, tear her to shreds like with anyone else. if i can tolerate jennifer rubin and charlie sykes despite their wretched histories, i can definitely tolerate shoe0nhead's path to one day becoming shoe0nbread.
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some dumbass pming me posted:lol they're actively agitating for a civil war, what would happen to the S&P 500 if that came to pass? someone didn't even do something as simple as googling what the market was like during the american civil war lmao
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Mr Interweb posted:re: shoe0nhead The only things I need from anyone are a convincing explanation for how they got to a point where talking to white supremacists was something normal, why they realized it was wrong, and (if necessary) how they've cut ties with their former life. Like, I don't need self flagellation or tears of anguish or cries of repentance, but I do need to understand that they understand why they were wrong. Anything less and they're, at best, an amoral grifter who made a bad play, and gently caress those people even if they now want to bilk the left instead. That poo poo is how you get Bill Maher.
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Ruzihm posted:someone didn't even do something as simple as googling what the market was like during the american civil war lmao Wait, you're telling me capitalists make money during war? I think if you'll take a look at history, you'll see... *checks notes, furrows brow* ...no, no this doesn't make sense at all...
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lol god drat, remember when glenn beck apologized and went liberal for like two weeks
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol god drat, remember when glenn beck apologized and went liberal for like two weeks that was when I realized Samantha Bee was bad (I'm dumb)
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Azathoth posted:The only things I need from anyone are a convincing explanation for how they got to a point where talking to white supremacists was something normal, why they realized it was wrong, and (if necessary) how they've cut ties with their former life. she was on vaush's stream the other day and explained why she's shifted, mostly because she wanted to be edgy and immature but then realized it was getting problematic, and honestly, she came off as pretty genuine, imo. Best Friends posted:that was when I realized Samantha Bee was bad (I'm dumb) it's okay friendo. we all didn't realize she was awful at one point. 
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Isn’t shoeonhead still dating or married to armoredskeptic, who is fash-adjacent? It’s cool if she’s genuinely changing for the better, but I’m gonna continue having reservations
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Kit Walker posted:Isn’t shoeonhead still dating or married to armoredskeptic, who is fash-adjacent? It’s cool if she’s genuinely changing for the better, but I’m gonna continue having reservations I thought he was pivoting as well, or at least openly fighting other dipshits
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shes married to armored skeptic, who is a tremendous youtube moron, but as long as shes pushing her fans to bernie who cares. looks like hes scrubbed all political stuff from his channel and in the last four years has only posted movie reviews, so maybe hes also changed. i think rejecting people turning from the alt right to the left, even in an imperfect form, is not smart. Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 08:17 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:holy fuckkkk
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol god drat, remember when glenn beck apologized and went liberal for like two weeks He's pretended to do something like that at least a half dozen times. I'm surprised that the trick keeps workings. And I'm really surprised that so many people are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a youtube personality.
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