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What was that weird dead language Picard was speaking to his dog? In all seriousness, I really liked this episode. It was a good start and I can't wait to see more of it. If they need to cancel Discovery for more Picard money, by all means, do so. I like all the interesting stuff they bring up in this episode. Speculation ahead: They bring up Bruce Maddox, and I hope that means he'll be in the show at some point. They also bring up androids that have biological bodies. Combine that with the theory that they could reconstruct Data's brain and his memories from just a fragment. It would be cool if that means that Bruce Maddox ran away, found bits of Data in wreckage and then recreates him as a biological android. That way Brent Spiner could just look like a normal dude but still be Data. I can't wait for more. edit: The end reveals that it seems like the Romulans are building inside an old Borg cube. Maybe Whoever is doing this is able to tap into any borgness that's left in Picard to give him these visions of Data. Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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So far not one person in this thread has panned this or even said "meh," not even Tighclops. This bodes well. Also the imdb ratings for episode one dayum...
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Jan 23, 2020 21:30
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Hipster_Doofus posted:So far not one person in this thread has panned this or even said "meh," not even Tighclops. This bodes well. It's impossible for me to be objective about it because of nostalgia so there's no way I'm not going to like a show with a kind, wise, affirming Picard. It was seriously like seeing a beloved old relative after a number of years and realizing how much you missed them.
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I will say that, despite the fact that I know he’s 79 years old, this is the first time Patrick Stewart has felt really old to me. He’s been in a kind of dignified late middle aged stasis since Dune in 1984, but now he’s finally showing his age and I’m kind of existentially sad about that.
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I know it’s morbid, but every time I hear them mention three seasons for this show, I wonder is Stewart going to last that long?
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Phylodox posted:I will say that, despite the fact that I know he’s 79 years old, this is the first time Patrick Stewart has felt really old to me. He’s been in a kind of dignified late middle aged stasis since Dune in 1984, but now he’s finally showing his age and I’m kind of existentially sad about that. I think he's playing older than he feels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsA61VvA8cw That's from yesterday, he seems 10 years younger. I almost want to predict that he'll get "younger" so to speak as he engages in space adventures instead of waiting to die, as he said. (also whoopi confirmed for season 2)
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This episode was really good so I'm hopeful for the future.
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zoux posted:I think he's playing older than he feels. It seems like he's given up on having anything to live for and he's just going day to day. Now he's got something to do and might perk up a bit.
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I wonder how all the weird Maga chuds who claim that Star Trek discovery has too many social justice warriors and forced diversity and too much socialism (have they even seen a Star Trek before?) are going to say that Picard sucks because of the obvious allegory for the immigration issue. The show is awesome so far. I'm not really interested in going to reddit to find out though. As for the show's opening theme music though, I was a little disappointed. I mean it's not bad it's just not very memorable. I too appreciate it that they finally had Romulan characters who are actual characters instead of just stonefaced bad guys.
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zoux posted:That's from yesterday, he seems 10 years younger. I almost want to predict that he'll get "younger" so to speak as he engages in space adventures instead of waiting to die, as he said. (also whoopi confirmed for season 2) That interview is actually what I was thinking of. Like, yeah, he’s still spry and vigorous, but for a guy who for years has been the butt of jokes about how he never ages, it’s undeniable that he’s an old man, now. Kind of like Nimoy in the Abrams movies; he played Spock as older than he actually was, but the man was still quite old.
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I questioned if they used a double at times because Patrick Stewart is acting very old, even for how old he is, but there are moments of physical movement with him like when he walks out of the interview or opens his curtains where he looked pretty vigorous. Possibly intentional, like his demeanour is more decrepit than his actual body requires it to be, and we'll see him shake some of that loose. He's obviously an old man, and I'm glad they lean into that with him being exhausted running a few flights of stairs, but I think a touch of depression + looks old just reads creaky bones when it doesn't actual mean that.
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Croatoan posted:I wonder how all the weird Maga chuds who claim that Star Trek discovery has too many social justice warriors and forced diversity and too much socialism (have they even seen a Star Trek before?) are going to say that Picard sucks because of the obvious allegory for the immigration issue. The show is awesome so far. I'm not really interested in going to reddit to find out though. They’ll praise it just for not being Discovery while completely pretending any allegorical elements don’t exist. Chuds have a unique ability to watch all media with willful ignorance and treat it all like mindless entertainment with no deeper meaning because recognizing that would challenge their worldview or give them a reason to dislike something they love. There’s a huge chunk of libertarian TNG fans out there, somehow.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:There’s a huge chunk of libertarian TNG fans out there, somehow. I think they justify it by saying that Earth has what might as well be infinite resources for regular people to do whatever they want.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They’ll praise it just for not being Discovery while completely pretending any allegorical elements don’t exist. Chuds have a unique ability to watch all media with willful ignorance and treat it all like mindless entertainment with no deeper meaning because recognizing that would challenge their worldview or give them a reason to dislike something they love. I think their robot brains get a tingling sensation caused by the rigid command structure of Starfleet. And that stories are solved by logic and self-determination. Any underlying subtext or allegory either flies over their head undetected or ignored.
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Libertarians, a political ideology whose fundamental tenet is "I am smarter than you", are over-represented in the nerd/geek demographic and so you see more of them in sci fi spaces than you would expect given the actual number of libertarians in the general population.
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That was surprisingly good. It was just the right amount of fan service for me. Captain Picard Day :3 And who gives a gently caress what chuds think, shut up
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So the "quantum archive" was that a hologram of the painting or what
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Hipster_Doofus posted:So far not one person in this thread has panned this or even said "meh," not even Tighclops. This bodes well. Everybody, even me, is making GBS threads their pants because of nostalgia and because the bar has been set so unbelievably low for years now that "hey it's Picard and he's back and he's going to do something about all this depressing poo poo! because PRINCIPALS" is basically next level stuff. It's refreshing as hell to watch a new Star Trek thing and not immediately feel like whomever made it would rather be doing something else. Is it perfect? No, but that doesn't matter right now because of the aforementioned bar being located somewhere below the earth's mantle. If I had one major complaint so far it's that unless you're a Trek nerd I'm not terribly sure what you'd get out of the first episode of this series. rear end in a top hat NERD NITPICK ZONE Did they modify the Discovery-era shuttlecraft design or just lift the model because it already looked like a 24th century shuttle? When they took the shuttle mockups from Star Trek V at least they cut them up and gave them new nacelles to make them fit. Mars is still on fire? fire?! The CGI Enterprise-D looked crappier than the one from the final episode of Enterprise But compared to "why are the main characters committing war crimes again" it's like lol
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zoux posted:So the "quantum archive" was that a hologram of the painting or what The impression I got was that they've made a permanent storage thing for whatever the transporter uses (the "pattern buffer"? that characters kept using to make the transporters do weird poo poo). So you scan something in, save the data, and re-materialize it on-demand.
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Good show! I like how they establish the political situation, and it's not great, but there's not a lot Picard can do by himself and he's kind of defeated. What gets him up and out is a personal quest to save an individual who's important to him. Because you know the situation's going to come back to politics. Romulans, synthetic people, Borg. Notably all in ruins. Echo's of Data's positronic core, being tinkered with by Romulan refugees in the hulk of a Borg cube- it's a lovely setup. If we're just going to have adventures with new life in ruins, exploring new possibilities out of the echoes of the past... those are good solid themes, and they really justify this as something built out of the stories told in TNG. Another great image from the opening: vineyards and Borg cubes. Such a great visual contrast, and both so obviously meaningful to Picard. Though now that I think about it, that's not an accident. The contrast was established in Family, when Picard deals with his Borg trauma at the family vineyard. Well, it was a good contrast back then too.
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zoux posted:I think he's playing older than he feels. Kurtzman said that Picard is 92 when the show starts, so Stewart is definitely playing older.
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Disappointing to see Picard using non organic pesticides on his vines smhTimby posted:Kurtzman said that Picard is 92 when the show starts, so Stewart is definitely playing older. How old was McCoy supposed to be in Farpoint?
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zoux posted:How old was McCoy supposed to be in Farpoint? 137.
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I liked all the stuff that wasn't action because 1999 called and The Matrix wants to know why in the world you would ever think it was a good idea to "film" (it's pure cg) this shot from this angle (trimmed for space): https://i.imgur.com/VsrVqeh.gifv Also:  Despite what happened at the end Generations, someone actually recognized the importance of the Kurlan Naiskos and made sure it was the centerpiece at Picard's treasure trove. (It's in the back there. Kinda out of focus.) Finally, I hope this guy dies a horrible death by the close of this season. 
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Hipster_Doofus posted:So far not one person in this thread has panned this or even said "meh," not even Tighclops. This bodes well. Because it's a classic car with a nice paint respray at the moment. You hope that it's just to freshen it up and make it shiny and fun again, but it could just as easily be hiding a rot that won't reveal itself for a little while. I can see the trajectory for it to all go bad so easily, every bit of plot they've teased so far is on a knife's edge of becoming tired cliche or the nonsensical, plotty mess Kurtzman and co are known for. But hey, let's see what's out there.
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Timby posted:Kurtzman said that Picard is 92 when the show starts, so Stewart is definitely playing older. Picard's still in his prime! Harry Treadaway is entirely too British.
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Rhyno posted:I'd bet he's involved somehow. Maybe Maddox stole his remains when he disappeared. If Data's entire code, including of his memory can be reconstituted from a single positron neuron, then what would happen if you made a whole line of Androids from Lore's neurons? That would explain the Mars thing, that is for sure.
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HD DAD posted:Bets on Data being reconstituted as flesh and blood Brent Spiner by the end of the season? Brent would never allow this.
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DaveKap posted:I liked all the stuff that wasn't action because 1999 called and The Matrix wants to know why in the world you would ever think it was a good idea to "film" (it's pure cg) this shot from this angle (trimmed for space): Hipster_Doofus posted:So far not one person in this thread has panned this or even said "meh," not even Tighclops. This bodes well. Anyone in this thread watch Treadstone? The scene with Dahj and her bf chilling in their apartment and then "She's activating!" was really similar to Treadstone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAa_Pw6m-M
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HD DAD posted:Bets on Data being reconstituted as flesh and blood Brent Spiner by the end of the season? I’d say the probability is better than 60%. It’s kind of hokey, but I think I’d be okay with it as a sendoff to the character. It wouldn’t be the first time a TNG character had to be given a slightly better ending because their first death was such utter poo poo.
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Binary Logic posted:Not gonna be the first to criticize because I loved every minute of it.  Binary Logic posted:Anyone in this thread watch Treadstone? Yeah that's a really common trope by this point, one that we've seen in countless stories and one of the groaner moments of the show. If a 2019 Jason Bourne show is your first exposure to it though, let me be the first to welcome you to planet earth Mr Ambassador. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Full disclosure: I haven't seen Picard, yet, but why do we need to rebuild Data? Did we forget about B4 actually being Data?
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CarpenterWalrus posted:Full disclosure: I haven't seen Picard, yet, but why do we need to rebuild Data? Did we forget about B4 actually being Data? They tell us that Data’s memory transfer to B4 never worked and the data was lost. B4 is disassembled and sitting in a drawer now.
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I liked the Golden Gate Bridge turned into a solar farm. Masses of flying cars? Is that from the JJ Trek movies? Why when you have transporters. No synthectics, but isn't that AI assistant the same thing with no body? You'd think they'd outlaw all AI as an "evil" AI in computers could do more damage than robots running around.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They tell us that Data’s memory transfer to B4 never worked and the data was lost. B4 is disassembled and sitting in a drawer now. Despite the Blue Skies tag at the end of Nemesis? That's a bold retcon. I do appreciate that it makes Data's sacrifice more meaningful, though.
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