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Reveilled posted:I haven’t played many VNs but Analogue: A Hate Story is probably the most disturbing game I’ve ever played. For all the buzz around Doki Doki Literature Club, its only real merit is in the shock twist (which in itself feels exploitative), Analogue actually delivers on the “psychological horror” promise. It’s more or less “The Handmaid’s Tale: The Visual Novel”. Agreed on the exploitative part of Doki Doki. A lot of games use mental illness as a way to add a very cheap kind of psychological horror, rather than investigating mental illness and understanding its place in the human experience. It's what I liked about games like Disco Elysium and Hellblade, is that they view the mental illness in its dual role as an extension of the character and an unwanted intruder on their mind. They don't just do it because "Suicide is scaaaaary and shocking!"
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freebooter posted:+1 The lieutenant trusts you. on a replay i liked how when you gently caress up that suggestion check she tells you "it's gonna suck when you have to interrogate me."
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To go further on exploitation of mental illness, I think one big thing is that Doki Doki focuses on how the mental illness of other characters affects you and your character, while Hellblade and Disco Elysium view mental illness from the standpoint of your own chatacter having it. Most RPG's have a pretty able-bodied blank slate main character, and often gives you control over just how able bodied they are. Disco is unique in that you can't help your character being a very damaged individual. Not just damaged in an amnesiac sense or in terms of having, like, really sexy scars, but in the sense of them suffering under this specter of their own mind. That's pretty significant.
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Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think?
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Jan 23, 2020 18:23
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JARATE CURES SPIES posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPP0Uy34u94 gently caress yeah
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Xanderkish posted:Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think? This bugged me as well. One argued that it wasn't in line with the character they'd built in their head but... 1) the dream is foreshadowed in a previous dream as a recurring nightmare and 2) how often have you had a dream and been horrified about doing something you would never do? The dawning sense of dread as I realized Harry was stuck on this ride and was going where it took him regardless of what I wanted as the player was great.
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Xanderkish posted:Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think? I thought that's what they were introducing when they said "the scene where all your skills fail you" and they missed or didn't get the part at the end where it goes "oh Harry, there's gonna be three more nights of this at least". I think it was good at setting up the idea that however in control of things you feel, all you've done is give the detective a good start.
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Xanderkish posted:Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think? it was good, but the metaphor was laid on pretty heavy so even if you "get" what they're going for it's gonna seem overwrought if you're not into that kind of thing. I personally thought it was fantastic. they also seemed to miss the message of a hopeful future which I guess you can miss depending on how you play, and the dream right after and before a really bleak takedown of Raphael can probably make it seem kind of sour
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Xanderkish posted:Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think? I could swear in the beginning monologue, Reptilian Brain makes mention of an "ex-something" . Maybe that was behind a specific dialogue option, but that was always in the back of my mind since then as I played through the game and tried to figure out Harry's deal. Hell, things like the Slipstream call and opening the ledger just further drove the point home in my mind that Harry was haunted by an ex, so I didn't think the final dream or really that whole facet of the character came out of nowhere, which is how they seemed to describe it. The episode was great but that was a low point imo.
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JARATE CURES SPIES posted:I could swear in the beginning monologue, Reptilian Brain makes mention of an "ex-something" . Maybe that was behind a specific dialogue option, but that was always in the back of my mind since then as I played through the game and tried to figure out Harry's deal. Hell, things like the Slipstream call and opening the ledger just further drove the point home in my mind that Harry was haunted by an ex, so I didn't think the final dream or really that whole facet of the character came out of nowhere, which is how they seemed to describe it. The episode was great but that was a low point imo. Yeah, agreed. It felt like it was made pretty clear all throughout, so it didn't seemed tacked on at all. Then again, maybe I'm more sensitive because I recently had a best friend breakup. It was also interesting because they perceived a lot of Harry's behaviors in the dream as creepy, rather than as the fairly predictable end result of an unwanted breakup, where one person keeps trying to hold on and the other person's already let go.
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Jan 23, 2020 19:11
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The 'Give Figurines to Dolores Dei' task really hit me. My first run I kept running into thoughts about the stuff in the last dream though. Interfacing 6 makes for some crazy muscle memory on phone dials.
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JARATE CURES SPIES posted:I could swear in the beginning monologue, Reptilian Brain makes mention of an "ex-something" . Maybe that was behind a specific dialogue option, but that was always in the back of my mind since then as I played through the game and tried to figure out Harry's deal. Hell, things like the Slipstream call and opening the ledger just further drove the point home in my mind that Harry was haunted by an ex, so I didn't think the final dream or really that whole facet of the character came out of nowhere, which is how they seemed to describe it. The episode was great but that was a low point imo. You're definitely correct in your spoiler. There's a brief mention of "no more ex-somethings", Harry has an opportunity to be like "Wait, what's this about an ex?". So yeah, the seeds are being planted literally before you have a chance to open your eyes.
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JARATE CURES SPIES posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPP0Uy34u94 quote:Welcome to Hardcore True Detective mode. The city at the end of the world just got more existential.
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Jan 23, 2020 20:11
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was not expecting people to back up steinrokkan's point so vividly  notwithstanding, the Bill Belichick Offseason Simulator is the other game with good writing. Xanderkish posted:Yeah, agreed. It felt like it was made pretty clear all throughout, so it didn't seemed tacked on at all. it is creepy. Everyone points out it's creepy. Your own brain calls it creepy, if you focus on Dolores Dei too much. Your idealized fantasy of your ex repeatedly talks about how creepy all of it is in the dream. It's been six years, Harry! the whole point of that dream, and the reveal of what was really going on at the end, was to really unpack what an absolute lunatic Harry is. No poo poo literally making your ex into the Madonna is overwrought but were those guys expecting a reasoned and objective set of reasoning when you finally get a deep dive into the motivations of a dude who drove his car into the sea, got in a fight with a dead gull, and drank so much he experienced egodeath and was reborn? A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Xanderkish posted:Man, the Waypoint Spoilercast guys are really hard on the meeting the ex dream. They said it didn't really make sense with the character they were playing and was overwrought. I thought it made a lot of sense and was pretty clearly defined as part of the character since the beginning. What do others think? That's one of the high points of the game for me. That whole plotline escalates so well through out the whole story and then it culminates in this fantastically written dream scene that not only ends this plot in a perfect way (You can't get her back. The "voices" tried to stop you going there but you refused. Now, welcome to dream of the every night of the rest of your life.) but also gives some fantastic insight on your main character and some of the reasons why he's so good at his job and why at one point he was called The Can Opener  It's such a great scene that if someone honestly shits on it then I seriously doubt their tastes. EDIT: The figurines. They do nothing.
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That and the Kim's explanation of the Jamrock Shuffle are two bits that honestly have no business working as well as they do. When it comes down to it, they're just little meta-jokes about computer RPGs, but they really do work somehow.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it is creepy. Everyone points out it's creepy. Even your brain thinks it's creepy, especially if you read that book on the Innocents. Your idealized fantasy of your ex repeatedly talks about how creepy all of it is in the dream. It's been six years, Harry! I guess, but it's also in line with a lot of portrayals of breakups in fiction as this exaggerated form of how actual breakups look like. Most people aren't hanging onto an ex for six years, but it can feel like they're hanging onto it for too long. Most people don't call their ex afterwards in the middle of the night, but a lot of people want to. Most people don't drink themselves so badly after a breakup that they erase their memories, but a LOT of people do plenty of drinking after one. I'm definitely too close to my own recent encounter with it, because a lot of Harry's stuff makes me go "Yeah, I feel that."
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theblackw0lf posted:Ultrawide will absolutely make me play this again. Same. I know playing in a normal 1080 or whatever resolution is not that big a deal but when I have this giant monitor and a 1/3rd of it is black it feels bad.
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Hogama posted:Hardcore Mode What a fantastic excuse to replay this masterpiece again. Especially considering that on my first run I'm pretty sure I got close to the best ending. I'd love to have the game make me feel like Harry looks.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:That and the Kim's explanation of the Jamrock Shuffle are two bits that honestly have no business working as well as they do. When it comes down to it, they're just little meta-jokes about computer RPGs, but they really do work somehow. Jamrock Shuffle is such a fantastic piece of "lore". I felt so dumb when they explicitly told you what it was because then the joke seemed to be so obvious.
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JARATE CURES SPIES posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPP0Uy34u94 Welp there's my excuse to replay the game again right after beating it.
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visual novels can be real real bad but there are some very good ones, including: 428 Shibuya Scramble--a live-action VN about a big terrorist plot in downtown Tokyo and some random strangers who get caught up in it Zero Escape--a masked villain kidnaps people and forces them to do room escape puzzles...or die!!! with bonus fascinating asides about random conspiracies and weird science myths AI: The Somnium Files--also by the Zero Escape guy, another murder mystery with an amnesiac detective but this one's partner is a sassy robot who lives in his eye. The second-best videogame crimefighting duo of 2019.
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Just play the first zero escape and ignore the sequels, it is good and completely stands alone. The second game has its charms but is largely setup for the third game which turned out pretty meh. As for DE what's up with the new (I think??) animations in the trailer? Are they actually accessible or just showing off unused stuff?
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Yeah I was going to say 428 Shibuya Scramble is pretty weird from the little I’ve played of it, and I’ve seen two Twin Peaks references, like one of the characters is named Leland Palmer and the name of a coffee shop I think also references the show, plus I’ve only read good things about it and reviewers loved it, it got on a lot of year end lists and got perfect scores at some outlets. I want to play it again, but I have it on PS4, but I should have got it for PC or something, or I wish there was a Switch Port, or a mobile version. Someone in the comments of that YouTube video mention scenes from the night before, and said they were new? I wasn’t sure if that was the night before or if it was just stuff I hadn’t seen in my play through. Either way I hope with this they release it on PS4 and Xbone soon, I neeed controller support. Someone else mentioned new animations too. Actually I take it back, I *do* want a Switch version, it would be great for replaying it which I’m sure I’ll be doing multiple times.
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the dolores dei dream also has one of the more haunting bits of writing in the game: you're kissing her. she's not kissing back.
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Horizon Burning posted:the dolores dei dream also has one of the more haunting bits of writing in the game: you're kissing her. "But I passed the check!"
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Horizon Burning posted:the dolores dei dream also has one of the more haunting bits of writing in the game: you're kissing her. I should be put in front of a firing squad for my failure.
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Hardcore Mode sounds neat but I can't bring myself to play it as failure cop. Let what little happiness my first run had be the true ending to this story. 
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They should patch in 6-6-6-6 mode next.
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VN/VN adjacent, Snatcher and Policenauts combine the best of both worlds by being text heavy and having lightgun sequences. Policenauts has an in-game encyclopedia entry on the narrative engine part of the game:quote:Multi process story
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Y'all played Choice of Robots? If Harry played Choice of Robots, I think he would have found less destructive ways of dealing with his pain. Prior to Disco Elysium, I though Choice of Robots had the finest video game writing since at least New Vegas. It's not visual, so it should not offend the anime-triggered. I'm gonna try this new hardcore mode, but mostly to see if they've fixed the wine-bottle-in-the-hand glitch.
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We Know The Devil and Heaven Will Be Mine delighted my queer heart, strongly recommend. Also, it's not generally called a visual novel, but realistically speaking Night in the Woods is one, and that's my favourite game of 2017. Good stuff.
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Caufman posted:Y'all played Choice of Robots? If Harry played Choice of Robots, I think he would have found less destructive ways of dealing with his pain. Prior to Disco Elysium, I though Choice of Robots had the finest video game writing since at least New Vegas. I think notorious communist Raphaël Ambrosius Cousteau would have been frustrated by how Choice of Robots paints increased automation as a bad thing for the lower classes (they lose jobs) but has zero options to say that automation is good, it's the economic system that funnels all of the benefits upward that's wrong. Doctor Reynolds posted:Also, it's not generally called a visual novel, but realistically speaking Night in the Woods is one, and that's my favourite game of 2017. Good stuff. He'd like this one though
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Snake Maze posted:I think notorious communist Raphaël Ambrosius Cousteau would have been frustrated by how Choice of Robots paints increased automation as a bad thing for the lower classes (they lose jobs) but has zero options to say that automation is good, it's the economic system that funnels all of the benefits upward that's wrong. True, true. But notorious prophet of doom Tequila Sunset may appreciate seeing the gloaming of man brought about by its enslaved and tortured children, the machines.
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So that new hardcore trailer, any chance they’ll put those scenes into the game? Looks like they animated everything leading up to Harry’s awakening. Also, Ultrawide! I’ve been waiting for that, gently caress yes! Game is too gorgeous not to want to fill my screen!
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