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Tibalt posted:If you're a senator up for re-election, you're going to maximize your own chances whether or not McConnell gives you permission to tarnish Trump's record. Gardner and Tillis are both relatively young senators, and Trump is becoming increasingly unpopular with traditionally Republican demographics that they need to win. Collins has gone from one of the most universally popular senators to... not popular at all. Murkowski has literally won re-election against a Republican as a write-in candidate. Senator are universally ambitious, and I'd bet on them putting their own ambition ahead of Trump's legacy or national party demands. Murkowski would rather vote Present than vote against the party (see, the Kavanaugh vote)
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https://twitter.com/DanielPFlatley/status/1220442408745426945 lol this is gonna be a dumb shitshow. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...urce=reddit.com 11 million views first day. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/DanielPFlatley/status/1220442408745426945 "My impeachment trial has the best ratings. The best. Creepy Clinton didn't have as good of ratings as mine has. America came to watch me win over the do-nothing no-good Democrats and Shifty Schiff!"
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Latest Dollop podcast featured the story of a lucky gambler that was raking up millions in Baccarat. Trump, who at the time has just gotten the Taj Mahal casino up and running, invited the gambler to his casino for some attention and to try and beat the guy. Gambler shows up, and Trump first off gives him a signed copy of Art of the Deal. Gambler proceeds to rack up millions in winnings, and has a comped room and services. Trump thinks the gambler will stay long enough to lose money, but gambler leaves with tons of money. Trump then invites the gambler back, with a “gentleman’s contract” that the gambler play until he either wins 24 million or is in the hole 12 million. Trump says this is an “honorable” deal. He invites the gambler to do this starting on December 7. Did I mention this gambler is Japanese? Gambler eventually gets up to ten million in winnings before Trump declares the contest over. What does this all mean? Trump is dumb as heck and it’s only a matter of time before he ultimately does something during the Impeachment to totally screw himself because he doesn’t know when to stop.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:10
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Ringo Star Get posted:Latest Dollop podcast featured the story of a lucky gambler that was raking up millions in Baccarat. Trump, who at the time has just gotten the Taj Mahal casino up and running, invited the gambler to his casino for some attention and to try and beat the guy. exactly. it makes me curious for saturday when his team of dumb fucks does their thing.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:13
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Zotix posted:Is there a list of senators who have been leaving the hearings outside of the scheduled breaks? '21 Empty Seats': More Than One-Third of GOP Senators Reportedly Left Room During Schiff's Speech newsrepublic.net/January 22, 2020 From yesterday, anyway. ETA: CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/politics/impeachment-trial-senators-sitting-walking-around/index.html Otteration fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Jan 24, 2020 00:18
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Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Latest Dollop podcast featured the story of a lucky gambler that was raking up millions in Baccarat. Trump, who at the time has just gotten the Taj Mahal casino up and running, invited the gambler to his casino for some attention and to try and beat the guy. For a second I thought this was going to be a Kerry Packer story. Now that guy could put dents in a gaming corporation's quarterly results, but they at least had multiple casinos across the world buffering the beating they would take. Trump only had 3 casinos in Atlantic City, so a hit and run gambler spanking him for 34 million probably helped push him towards bankruptcy.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:20
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Lambert posted:Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing. Some of the walk-out Senators may be up for reelection.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:26
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Lambert posted:Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing. i mean i dont care. it makes them look worse and will hurt them more.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:27
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I mean what can possibly be so bad about blatantly abdicating one of the most important roles in your job.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:29
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You know those sacks of poo poo will come around and say "I never heard anything Trump could be removed for" even though they made a point of not even being present
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Jan 24, 2020 00:30
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Framboise posted:You know those sacks of poo poo will come around and say "I never heard anything Trump could be removed for" even though they made a point of not even being present i am surprised one of these assholes havent been punched yet. i know thats part of the reason they don't actually visit constituents anymore.
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pacerhimself posted:I mean what can possibly be so bad about blatantly abdicating one of the most important roles in your job. To the voters, it's not going to matter at all, if we're being honest.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:34
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I mean, at this point it's become rather apparent that Trump skating by is a foregone conclusion. It's about demoralizing Republicans, swaying the undecided, and energizing Democrats. Republican officials have been getting hammered at the polls over the last four years, and every piece of airtight evidence ignored by them is another pack of voters getting angry enough to vote their asses out of office. The complacent electorate of 2016 has been replaced by the frightened electorate of 2020, and the Democrats are doing their best to make sure as many people as possible choose "Fight" instead of "Flight" with this trial.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:36
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Lambert posted:To the voters, it's not going to matter at all, if we're being honest. depends on the votes. the chuds will clap and do whatever. the rest will probably just hate these assholes more.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:36
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Lambert posted:Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing. We know it's a sham, but the more transparently it's a sham, the worse it is for Republicans running for re-election
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Jan 24, 2020 00:36
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Barrasso almost sounding like a dem following a positively fox-news-esque performance by Joni Ernst.
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snorch posted:Barrasso almost sounding like a dem following a positively fox-news-esque performance by Joni Ernst. why that?
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Framboise posted:BUSY MAMAS ARE THE BEST AT MULTITASKING TRY IT SWEETY. Funnily enough, I know a few people personally who pride themselves on being effective multitaskers, just like our congresswoman here. Every one of them is a hurricane of utterly ineffectual flakiness. Every. Single. One.
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Reminder that Republicans fear primaries far more than general elections.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:why that? Ernst spewed a bunch of "how dare they" process stuff and long-debunked Obama whataboutism. Barrasso was just all like "well impeachment is obviously a huge deal, the democrats made their case, and I'm eager to hear the defense side of it".
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Why John Roberts admonished the impeachment legal teams at 1 a.m. cnn.com/January 22, 2020 [Robert's rules of order apparently, apologies if I missed it posted before.] 'John Roberts had been in the chair, presiding over the Senate impeachment trial for nearly 12 hours when he had had enough. He suddenly asserted his presence and made clear his rigorous sense of decorum. Roberts told President Donald Trump's lawyers and the Democratic lawmakers representing the US House to stop being so petty. But he did it in lofty terms and with a characteristic flourish of history. The brief but potent moment reflected the by-the-book, mannerly character of the current chief justice of the United States. It also underscored the limited role Roberts has in the Senate, as opposed to his dominant place at the Supreme Court, where he has held the center chair since 2005. While he will not steer the ultimate resolution of Trump's fate, he will try to keep everyone in line as they get there. Under US Constitution and Senate rules, Roberts is not deciding substantive issues or the fate of Trump; rather he is a "presiding officer," enforcing procedures and maintaining the dignity of the session. "I think it is appropriate at this point for me to admonish both the House managers and the President's counsel, in equal terms ,to remember that they are addressing the world's greatest deliberative body," Roberts said at nearly 1 a.m. ET Wednesday, apparently intent on scolding both sides equally. "One reason it has earned that title is because its members avoid speaking in a manner and using language that is not conducive to civil discourse." And then in classic Roberts fashion, he had a case citation for that. He referred to the century-old Senate impeachment trial of Judge Charles Swayne of Florida. "In the 1905 Swayne trial, a senator objected when one of the managers used the word 'pettifogging' and the presiding officer said the word ought not to have been used," Roberts said. "I don't think we need to aspire to that high of a standard, but I do think those addressing the Senate should remember where they are." His admonishment came on the heels of a sharp exchange between House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and White House counsel Pat Cipollone over a subpoena for former national security adviser John Bolton's testimony, who was involved in Trump's dealings with Ukraine security aid. Referring to the rejection of amendments for documents and witnesses, Nadler accused Republican senators of "voting for a coverup." "So far, I'm sad to say, I see a lot of senators voting for a coverup. Voting to deny witnesses, an absolutely indefensible vote, obviously a treacherous vote," Nadler said. "A vote against an honest consideration of the evidence against the President. A vote against an honest trial. A vote against the United States." To that, Cipollone responded said Nadler made "false allegations" against the President and lawmakers. "The only one who should be embarrassed, Mr. Nadler, is you. For the way you addressed this body," Cipollone said. "This is the United States Senate. You're not in charge here." Until then, Roberts, who turns 65 next week, had mainly been keeping the clock, announcing vote tallies and engaging in all the procedural functions that define his ministerial role. But he clearly was ready for the possible nastiness, having pored over all past Senate impeachment trials. Most have been of federal judges. Trump is only the third president subject to impeachment and trial. And he has in recent years tried to separate himself and the federal judiciary from the politics of the day. In November 2018, he implicitly admonished Trump for deriding a US district court judge who had ruled against his administration in an immigration case as an "Obama judge." Roberts responded, "We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges. What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them." Democratic House members have been hoping Roberts would take a more active role, and in fact one of the amendments that the Senate majority blocked would have empowered him to control the introduction of witnesses and evidence. Roberts' introduction to the Senate may have mirrored that of his predecessor as chief justice, William Rehnquist, who oversaw the Bill Clinton impeachment trial in 1999. At the end of the trial, Rehnquist described his experience. "I underwent the sort of culture shock," he told senators, "that naturally occurs when one moves from the very structured environment of the Supreme Court to what I shall call, for want of a better phrase, the more freeform environment of the Senate." ETA: Apparent background?: Susan Collins asked Justice Roberts to intervene after Nadler late-night 'cover-up' accusation thehill.com/01/23/20 "Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) wrote a note to Chief Justice John Roberts on Wednesday morning, moments before he admonished the House impeachment managers and President Trump’s defense team for a fiery exchange between Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) and White House counsel Pat Cipollone around 1 a.m." Otteration fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am surprised one of these assholes havent been punched yet. i know thats part of the reason they don't actually visit constituents anymore. I'm honestly pretty shocked someone hasn't tried taking a swing at McConnell quite frankly, dude is easily the most hated senator from the past decade
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Ringo Star Get posted:Latest Dollop podcast featured the story of a lucky gambler that was raking up millions in Baccarat. Trump, who at the time has just gotten the Taj Mahal casino up and running, invited the gambler to his casino for some attention and to try and beat the guy. Either the dollop really got their facts wrong about the story or you misheard. The gambler was down 10 million when they left. Its really, really hard to win against a casino when you play for days and days. Casino edge is real. Doesnt matter if Trump owns the casino or not.
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Lambert posted:Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing. “You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.”
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Parrotine posted:I'm honestly pretty shocked someone hasn't tried taking a swing at McConnell quite frankly, dude is easily the most hated senator from the past decade I'd not be surprised if it does happen, but only if it's provoked. Last thing we need is a screed of VIOLENT LEFTIST DEMOCRATS CAUSING CIVIL WAR ASSAULTING RESPECTED LONGTIME GOP GERIATRIC SENATOR MITCH MCONNELL I mean, it'd happen even if provoked, but still. Someone shove a straw up that old tortoise's nose or something and make him drink milk with it.
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Framboise posted:"My impeachment trial has the best ratings. The best. Creepy Clinton didn't have as good of ratings as mine has. America came to watch me win over the do-nothing no-good Democrats and Shifty Schiff!" You jest, but there’s probably a non-zero chance someone could convince him to give up the goods if they made a pitch for him being the first president ever removed from office by framing it as being the sole member of the most exclusive club (resigning not included) in US history.
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Lambert posted:Considering the result of the hearing is a foregone conclusion, does attendance really matter? Can't blame senators for not staying in a pointless hearing. I mean, I'd get in trouble if I just ditched jury duty
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Good thing Roberts is there to stop Nadler from making true statements in plain English about the current hosed up situation and calling out the right for the utter bullshit they're pulling.
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Suppose the vote were held, and there were 3 gop votes to convict, and sixteen+ vote 'present' with an implied, understood threat to Trump (from the GOP)... I mean, if we're imagining reality is anything like House of Cards and/or West Wing
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The Glumslinger posted:I mean, I'd get in trouble if I just ditched jury duty But it's not jury duty, and this isn't a trial.
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RandomBlue posted:Good thing Roberts is there to stop Nadler from making true statements in plain English about the current hosed up situation and calling out the right for the utter bullshit they're pulling. Did Roberts admonish Cipollone or Nadler? Tea leaves maybe. 'His admonishment came on the heels of a sharp exchange between House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and White House counsel Pat Cipollone over a subpoena for former national security adviser John Bolton's testimony, who was involved in Trump's dealings with Ukraine security aid. Referring to the rejection of amendments for documents and witnesses, Nadler accused Republican senators of "voting for a coverup." "So far, I'm sad to say, I see a lot of senators voting for a coverup. Voting to deny witnesses, an absolutely indefensible vote, obviously a treacherous vote," Nadler said. "A vote against an honest consideration of the evidence against the President. A vote against an honest trial. A vote against the United States." To that, Cipollone responded said Nadler made "false allegations" against the President and lawmakers. "The only one who should be embarrassed, Mr. Nadler, is you. For the way you addressed this body," Cipollone said. "This is the United States Senate. You're not in charge here."'
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Lambert posted:But it's not jury duty, and this isn't a trial. It's a political trial, but we are the jury, and get to vote yay or nay at these fucks.
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Otteration posted:Did Roberts admonish Cipollone or Nadler? Tea leaves maybe. He admonished them both: quote:"I think it is appropriate at this point for me to admonish both the House managers and the President's counsel, in equal terms ,to remember that they are addressing the world's greatest deliberative body," Roberts said at nearly 1 a.m. ET Wednesday, apparently intent on scolding both sides equally.
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RandomBlue posted:He admonished them both: He's sure there are good people on both sides. 
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Sen. Rand Paul works on crossword puzzle, paper airplane during impeachment trial courier-journal.com/Jan. 23, 2020 "As the Senate weighs the impeachment of a president for only the third time in U.S. history, the usually decorum-filled chamber at times has been more akin to a high school classroom. There was gum-chewing, snacking and yawning. U.S. Sen. Rand Paul even reportedly worked on a crossword puzzle and crafted a paper airplane as House managers made their case Wednesday for removing President Donald Trump, whom the Kentucky senator has backed vehemently."
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Scipiotik posted:He can try, but he's not a real judge. And the co-conspirators can tell him to pound sand and ignore his rulings anyway. They're epic cowards, I'm not convinced they'd have the votes to over rule Roberts if he ruled against them (he won't though)
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Otteration posted:Sen. Rand Paul works on crossword puzzle, paper airplane during impeachment trial Literal loving children. Clearly this is middle school and not the highest level of American Government making world-changing decisions. gently caress I hate these people and this entire goddamn situation so much. Our country and lives are in the hands of complete idiots.
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