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As someone who's favorite card ever is Vindicate. I am at the same time incensed and enamored.
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Jan 24, 2020 21:30
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It should probably cost 1 less and be instant speed.
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Jan 24, 2020 21:31
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https://twitter.com/mtg_arena/status/1220754147596738560?s=21 Everybody is playing with Gary. He is strong, and handsome, and dead... and he is my friend.
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Jan 24, 2020 22:07
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/mtg_arena/status/1220754147596738560?s=21 Gary is cool, and good, but for the life of me, I have not gotten the deck to work. Once again, Dance Manse Revolution rises from the ashes with that list posted above, and it feels very very well situated for the current format. The new sagas help out the deck a ton, and Birth of Meletis t2 + Teferi T3 is backbreaking for most aggro decks, as it gives you the breathing room necessary to start setting up the woodchipper that is Doom Foretold. I'm very happy with the deck in a format where I've been aimlessly bouncing around a bunch of decks. (then something like cat oven or other recursion based deck will become a t1 deck, and this will have to slink back into dust  )
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Gary is my homie. He has saved my stupid rear end countless times and won me even more games. He is the best.
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The black deck works like this: You get cat or knight on turn 1 and become an aggro deck, and then at some point you get an oven, a midnight reaper, and Ayara and start draining them for 2 and drawing a card per oven after they find blockers and try to stabilize. If they clear your board, you've drawn half your deck so you just play the exact same board state again. Or sometimes you start attacking, but can't go full aggro, because they put down a good midrange creature. So you sit back, them not wanting to leave themselves open by attacking, and then you play Gary and drain them for half their life, and then a nightmare shepherd and finish them. and sometimes you just end up with a 5/6 knight that they just never dealt with and you win without them doing basically anything.
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Jan 24, 2020 23:15
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I don't even run catoven. It's just black aggro/midrange with the main wincon being Gary. Nightmare Shepherd lets me just kill my own Garys over and over ftw. It's loving hilarious.
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I think there's going to be two close but different black devotion builds, one that's faster with catoven and one that's slower with strider and shepherd and the like. both use gary as their finisher, it's just that one gameplan is flooding the board early, hoping for no boardwipes, and dropping gary on t5 or 6 to hopefully kill & the other stalls with slow drains early without overcommitting and then plays gary and then sacs it to recur with shepherd. I dunno which one is going to be better and I definitely don't think decklists are refined enough to really go either way yet (and honestly you can probably just sideboard into one from the other, but I think the opening gameplan is important still to be different)
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I run Woe Strider over Oven and don’t think cat is good in this meta going forward. Cutting cat and just going in with Agonizing Demise feels so good. It’s a monoblack DEVOTION deck and the only devotion payoff in the deck is Gary. Tymmy’s butt doesn’t really count as a payoff.
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Jan 24, 2020 23:38
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I run 3 Drag to the Underworld. It's good. Also 2 Libations because making people sac their gods is awesome.
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I think catoven is still going to be fine, it's just a lot less free with so much incidental graveyard hate in the set and probably should stick to a build with red in it for mayhem devil, even if it's just a splash that reminds me, though: has anyone else been toying with cling to dust in their black decks?  I think it's been slept on but it ends up being pretty useful in practice as primarily a draw spell that fucks over escape and cat in a pinch while helping stabilize
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Yeah I agree. Citadel + Woe Strider means you really just cannot lose.
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I’ve just been playing Rakdos Knights and cleaning up. Turns out people trying to durdle around ramping or endlessly cycle tiny chump blockers just eat poo poo to embercleave on turn 3 or 4
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StabMasterArson posted:Way too slow, way too much stuff to keep track of on each card now since everything is an enchantment, constellation is boring and slow, 90% of cards just seem bad in comparison with the rest of Standard, nothing fits with our standard decks because the new cards are way too specific, devotion is boring and slow, and so on and on. Our first game we played 4 player free for all and it took 2 loving hours +. I mean it enables Heroic
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I’ve just been playing Rakdos Knights and cleaning up. Turns out people trying to durdle around ramping or endlessly cycle tiny chump blockers just eat poo poo to embercleave on turn 3 or 4 You stick anything new in it?
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Jan 25, 2020 00:41
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Kjermzs posted:You stick anything new in it? absolutely not
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:absolutely not I’ll have to take it back out for a spin until ranked draft hits. I spent a successful week prior grinding the standard event queue until the set dropped.
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Drafted tonight, ended up in UB control splashing Dream Trawler (pack 2 pick 3, tried to hard pivot into white but white dried up up fast pack 2 and was nonexistent pack 3 - had 3 unknown shores, a plains, and a lot of scry/draw). Easily won each game I cast it, what a bullshit card. Format seems really grindy. Black and green both seem pretty deep, red seems kinda bad as a primary color. Would paper draft again
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I've been doing well in Arena using a Cavalcade variant that runs nothing >3 CMC and abuses the land fixer by only having 16 mana. Decks are generally pretty slow and there being a viable aggro variant has breathed so much life into things so it's no longer all mid-range all the time. Some of the new Theros based decks are neat though. Black devotion variants seem like a less annoying/tedious version of Cat Oven because it kills you much faster, Dance Mance is a neat stax variant, white is actually playable thanks to Daxos and there's a fun Selesnya deck that just sticks a million auras on dudes and makes them hexproof so you've got base 1/3s that are suddenly absurd 10/13 hexproof, lifelink, trample, vigilance atomic bombs. This is much better than things were for most of Eldraine. Also got my box in paper and will be drafting with my buddies next month.
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Hellsau posted:or how about they don't print unbeatable limited bombs at rare that have nearly no constructed applications Well it turns out Dream Trawler is busted in Standard because this Standard format is very weird. It has both extremely powerful cards, but the overall format feels weak, and the mana is atrocious for both three-color non-green decks and two-color aggressive decks. Leads to a whole lotta mono-color aggressive decks that fold to a turn 4 Trawler, and a bunch of durdly non-green control decks that die to turn 3 Nissa because they're behind a turn or two because of their manabase coming in tapped. oh also three mana teferi should never have been printed
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Really enjoying this draft format, loads of great games. Pity they can't upshift or ban dream trawler as it's super dumb, I just played two matches in a row against it.
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I don't think it makes much of a difference whether Dream Trawler shows up at 1/121 or 2/121. Elspeth Saga is worse in my opinion because it has absolutely no counterplay except for countering the spell outright. Dream Trawler is absolutely busted but at least it really only goes in one deck and you can beat it with a Lyre or Libation.
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Katana Gomai posted:I don't think it makes much of a difference whether Dream Trawler shows up at 1/121 or 2/121. Elspeth Saga is worse in my opinion because it has absolutely no counterplay except for countering the spell outright. Dream Trawler is absolutely busted but at least it really only goes in one deck and you can beat it with a Lyre or Libation. Libation, sure. But it shuts off lyre with its discard ability.
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berenzen posted:Libation, sure. But it shuts off lyre with its discard ability. You plan to ... discard a card every turn and tap down your own guy, just so your opponent doesn't get to tap it down? Let us know how that works out for you.
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axeil posted:I've been doing well in Arena using a Cavalcade variant that runs nothing >3 CMC and abuses the land fixer by only having 16 mana. Decks are generally pretty slow and there being a viable aggro variant has breathed so much life into things so it's no longer all mid-range all the time. This deck is an Arena meme, this is not a "viable aggro" deck, it's a manipulation of the Bo1 mana-smoothing algorithm. The deck works fine in B01, and is an effective and inexpensive way to grind daily wins, but it's not a real deck because the main mechanic by which it functions is basically considered 'cheating' in paper.
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It works fine in paper as long as you mana weave beforehand.
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Hellsau posted:Well it turns out Dream Trawler is busted in Standard because this Standard format is very weird. It has both extremely powerful cards, but the overall format feels weak, and the mana is atrocious for both three-color non-green decks and two-color aggressive decks. Leads to a whole lotta mono-color aggressive decks that fold to a turn 4 Trawler, and a bunch of durdly non-green control decks that die to turn 3 Nissa because they're behind a turn or two because of their manabase coming in tapped.
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flatluigi posted:I think catoven is still going to be fine, it's just a lot less free with so much incidental graveyard hate in the set and probably should stick to a build with red in it for mayhem devil, even if it's just a splash So you respond to the food sac to bring the cat back with this, right? Otherwise they respond with a food sac and get the cat back. Hmm if they have more than one food this really isn't very good.
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Having a Tymaret on board is a better anti graveyard proposal
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Bust Rodd posted:This deck is an Arena meme, this is not a "viable aggro" deck, it's a manipulation of the Bo1 mana-smoothing algorithm. The deck works fine in B01, and is an effective and inexpensive way to grind daily wins, but it's not a real deck because the main mechanic by which it functions is basically considered 'cheating' in paper. Bust Rodd Cavalcade is fine in paper Standard because regardless of the outcome of game 1, competent players will crush it post board.
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Went 1-2 in draft last night with RB sac outlets. Just could not get my lands to loving show up in reasonable amounts in two matches; I either got 2 lands or 12. The matches I did get appropriate lands amounts were loving amazing, including beating Dream Trawler with Staggering Insight attached. Portent of Betrayal on his Kunoros to steal his only blocker and swing in for 13 was extremely fun, as was saccing my blocked creatures to Slaughter-Priest to pump it and Blood Aspirant for exactsies. My prize pack had an Ugin the Ineffable and a Shadowspear in it, so that was nice. Traded a Sai, Master Thopterist for a Doom Whisperer, and Leyline of the Void+Murderous Rider+Rankle for a Scarab God. I feel better about my trades than I did about my matches.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Bust Rodd I think (hope) he’s trying to say that that version with 16 lands is not viable without draw smoothing.
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I skillfully opened a foil showcase erebos for my pack 1 pick 1 last night and then was able to draft an almost monoblack deck. Crushed my first two matches, won a tight third match I actually don't remember the last time I played magic outside of random edh games, it might have been the WAR PTQ I spiked on 0 reps
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Look Around You posted:I think (hope) he’s trying to say that that version with 16 lands is not viable without draw smoothing. Yeah, Cavalcade is a real deck for sure, but anyone claiming their 16 land/24 1-drop RDW is a mastahpiece is just blowing smoke https://twitter.com/nickvaldeezy/status/1220436542491107329?s=21
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Hey bust rodd I'm trying out manaless dredge for the first time in anger tomorrow at a competitive level event. Can't wait to feel massively disappointed in myself for missing a million triggers. I went all in on the balustrade spy plan.
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