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Miftan posted:I'd do RLB Starmer Nandy Thornberry, I think Whatever has Aunty Em done to you? Starmer is the worst, honestly, because a) his voting record is worse, eg on welfare reform, and b) he's already manoeuvring to get the NEC out of membership control, by saying he'll give more power to councillors. Nandy and Thornberry might do that, but at least they haven't proved they will.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:The point is to try and force something other than a RLB/Starmer showdown, which tactical voting of Thornberry/Nandy 1st might ensure, and if they fall you just fall back to RLB. You vote 2,1,3,4 with your "tactical vote." What can happen: 2 gets knocked out first: tactical vote was useless. 3 gets knocked out first, then 2: tactical vote was useless. 3 gets knocked out first, then 4: You did it!, now it's 1v2 and you're voting for 2 instead of 1, oops. This only makes sense if you believe 4's supporters will break decidedly for 1 rather than 2 to make up for you voting against your intentions. There are plausible scenarios where this might work, but I don't see that in this case. 4 gets knocked out first, then 3, same as above but seems even less likely to happen. 4 gets knocked out first, then 2. The only scenario where you succeed but do you really think this is the most likely, and if so I don't think your fear of 4 was all that justified in the first place.
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baka kaba posted:A lot of people have zero understanding of racism because they've been completely insulated from it and they haven't troubled themselves to listen to other people and learn about their experiences. Because things have improved over the decades they think racism is over now, and that everyone experiences a life of equality, like their own. And any visible efforts to address problems and make things better for minorities are actually that equality being tipped in someone else's favour It’s not totally unreasonable when they think this. Poverty is overrepresented among ethnic minorities (because of racism), so they benefit from policies to alleviate poverty (caused by racism), and ethnic majorities see minority areas getting benefits and flip out. Seeing a lot of minorities living near you on benefits is going to breed racism if you don’t realise that the reason for the benefits is, in fact, 2-3 centuries of previously existing racism, and this will be most resented by people who are worst off already. I’m not sure how to get an intuitive knowledge of the effects of racism across at scale, so the fastest fix is probably going to be raising the living standard of the worst off and hoping that they will be less racist if they are more comfortable.
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Yeah, it's always dispiriting to see poorer people who've bought into the propaganda fretting about 'scroungers'. They're fighting over crumbs while the billionaires stroll off with the pie.
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It seems one of the best remedies for racism is living in a multi-ethnic location, i.e. typically a large town or city. Harder to be (deliberately) racist when you're around people of other races on the daily and can see first hand that they're just regular folks. Or when you actually know queer people first-hand. So on and so forth. Of course this still allows for all kinds of unaddressed issues and having a racist society at large and stuff, but what I'm saying is we wouldn't be doing a bad thing if we did a reverse Pol Pot.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Well I'd have said 70s but could have been 80s. Early Nineties, actually.
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Darth Walrus posted:Early Nineties, actually. Yeah, all of that was the case when I was in primary school. It feels strange when the ‘back in my day’ messaging is actually about ‘back in my day’
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Jan 24, 2020 19:55
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Baywatch didn't start til 1989. I'd had about 5 computers before that.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, it's always dispiriting to see poorer people who've bought into the propaganda fretting about 'scroungers'. They're fighting over crumbs while the billionaires stroll off with the pie. honestly that's part of it, when you've got the Channel Fives going on about people on benefits people naturally a) feel bad and b) get defensive and respond to the idea that this other group is more of a problem, maybe even the whole reason they're being vilified themselves. It's the whole divide and rule thing, and the whole point is to reinforce that racialised hierarchy But it's not just economic stuff, it's general attitudes too. People who've never been made to feel uncomfortable about their identity (or at least most of it) suddenly experiencing the absolute mildest scrutiny, or suggestion that maybe they don't understand something or their opinion is less valuable than others, or the idea that they maybe need to be more aware and self-reflective. It's such a comfortable space that the moment it's challenged, they get incredibly defensive and hostile over the tiniest things, because they have the privilege of denying it and swatting the issue away and I mean yeah I get it, it does suck getting called out, especially when it's completely valid - but if you grew up with that privilege you need to work at popping that emotional protective bubble that society wraps you in, that's where solidarity comes from. Obviously a lot of people aren't prepared to do that though - for some it's hard to face a different reality, others are just more comfortable denying the bubble even exists. But until society acknowleges these different lived experiences, and values people who've had to struggle and learn to navigate all this, you're gonna get that comfortable perpetuation of the status quo with its easy answers of "everything's fine actually" / "it's them, they're the cause of your problems"
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The idea of a nineties kid who didn't have even a passing experience with videogames is deeply, deeply suspicious. My dad played Defender, my mum played Lemmings, my sister was pretty sick at Unreal Tournament. None of them give a poo poo about videogames now, and they didn't then. They just found those odd games that spoke to them, because you couldn't escape how much the industry blew up at that time. No computers in sight? I'm calling that one as a gammon repurposing one of their dumb gammon memes.
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Unkempt posted:Baywatch didn't start til 1989. I'd had about 5 computers before that. Even if you're only counting those video games machines the very first airing of Gladiators was October 10th, 1992, and Sonic Tuesday was a massive loving worldwide event on November 24th, 1992, so maybe all the vandals had a break that month too.
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Baywatch isn't even a British show ffs. Britain was at its Greatest when Scrapheap and/or Robot Wars were on imo
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sebzilla posted:Baywatch isn't even a British show ffs. Britain was it its greatest about 950,000 years ago, before the first early humans lived here and ruined it.
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Borrovan posted:Thanks guys, took her to A&E. She has flipped the gently caress out but eh. She'll def get the chance to calm down now, at least. Paracetamol overdose is one of the most horrendous ways to go you can find, just so you know. You absolutely did the right thing on that.
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Unkempt posted:Baywatch didn't start til 1989. I'd had about 5 computers before that. Yeah, the bit about computers is the standout anachronism, everything else is fairly consistent. My family was always somewhat behind in technology but even we had a beige box in the corner of the dining room that could play solitaire.
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Gladiators started a year after the Super NES came out in the UK. "There wasn't a computer in sight" was a *long* way past by then. Anyway yeah if you click through to the twitter thread he works out times in which all those things could possibly apply and it was about 3 weekends.
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I'm surprised that nominating Owen Smith doesn't seem to a dealbreaker for many posters ITT (iirc RLB and Thornberry are the only candidates who remained loyal to Corbyn)
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I am happy to be proved wrong but speaking to a lot of diehard Labour voters the choice essentially seems to boil down to RLB or Starmer. Must admit as much as I like RLB I do think she will be hampered by the 'Corbyn's apprentice' label and the other poo poo to throw at her (from a national tabloid standpoint not a 'not left enough' standpoint) will likely stick more than what the average voter in the street thinks about Starmer. I'm not saying the average person on the street isn't an idiot who deepthroats the boot but as it stands if they don't vote Labour we are hosed anyway.
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Tasty, tasty Camrath fudge arrived today pictured: me eating goon-made fudge and getting fatter   it is very, very good. the Billionaires-Shot-Dead is both luxurious and revolutionary. (ed: sea salt also. looking forward to Marmite as and when it appears) CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:1: wow what the actual gently caress, but also I shouldn't be surprised Didn't she also respond to refute him?
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I know this girl and she's not from Manchester, she's from Salford 
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Bacon Terrorist posted:I am happy to be proved wrong but speaking to a lot of diehard Labour voters the choice essentially seems to boil down to RLB or Starmer. Must admit as much as I like RLB I do think she will be hampered by the 'Corbyn's apprentice' label and the other poo poo to throw at her (from a national tabloid standpoint not a 'not left enough' standpoint) will likely stick more than what the average voter in the street thinks about Starmer. I'm not saying the average person on the street isn't an idiot who deepthroats the boot but as it stands if they don't vote Labour we are hosed anyway. I'm just completely unconvinced that Starmer will be better though, especially when the right wing press get into gear and he gets the Kinnock/Brown/Miliband treatment. He's got a real Joe Biden vibe to him where his appeal is that "he's electable" and "he looks Prime Ministerial" and it doesn't go any further than that
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Bacon Terrorist posted:I am happy to be proved wrong but speaking to a lot of diehard Labour voters the choice essentially seems to boil down to RLB or Starmer. Must admit as much as I like RLB I do think she will be hampered by the 'Corbyn's apprentice' label and the other poo poo to throw at her (from a national tabloid standpoint not a 'not left enough' standpoint) will likely stick more than what the average voter in the street thinks about Starmer. I'm not saying the average person on the street isn't an idiot who deepthroats the boot but as it stands if they don't vote Labour we are hosed anyway. You're falling into the trap of pure electoralism here. Don't look at the image they give off, look at how they will materially reconnect the Labour Party with voters. RLB bringing in open selection and endorsing the Preston model (and being endorsed by Preston CLP) is pretty significant.
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm just completely unconvinced that Starmer will be better though, especially when the right wing press get into gear and he gets the Kinnock/Brown/Miliband treatment. He's got a real Joe Biden vibe to him where his appeal is that "he's electable" and "he looks Prime Ministerial" and it doesn't go any further than that He cant be given the 'anti establishment' treatment because he is a knight. His only real 'scandals' pre politics are the Tomlinson/police death and the joke tweet prosecution. With RLB there is the paint by numbers 'radical left threat' stuff in addition to the 'fudged figures on career as a solicitor' etc. I think Starmer wouldn't be great but the Tories were probably bricking it about Boris except as far as their concerned we never offered a credible opposition so it didn't matter.
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm just completely unconvinced that Starmer will be better though, especially when the right wing press get into gear and he gets the Kinnock/Brown/Miliband treatment. He's got a real Joe Biden vibe to him where his appeal is that "he's electable" and "he looks Prime Ministerial" and it doesn't go any further than that Can we also talk about how dogwhistley it's getting that the only guy still in the competition is receiving so many plaudits for his 'prime ministerial' appearance?
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Guavanaut posted:Speaking of right wing twats weaponizing performatively working class things, I just got reminded that this was a thing that happened in the 00s and was something that I managed to be blissfully unaware of how blatant it got at the time. This didn't work on me, but goddamnit Holly, I expected better of you
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The idea of a nineties kid who didn't have even a passing experience with videogames is deeply, deeply suspicious. My dad played Defender, my mum played Lemmings, my sister was pretty sick at Unreal Tournament. None of them give a poo poo about videogames now, and they didn't then. They just found those odd games that spoke to them, because you couldn't escape how much the industry blew up at that time. No computers in sight? I'm calling that one as a gammon repurposing one of their dumb gammon memes. Yeah no mention of dicking around with a BBC Micro or something? Deeply suss.
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Even my previous Corbyn voting dad has been posting 'before the pansies took over' memes on whatsapp. I tried replying with "You do realise i'm one of 'those pansies,' right?" No reply so far but ehh. That entire generation is lost. Hopefully the zoomers will revolt before it's too late.
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Ms Adequate posted:Yeah no mention of dicking around with a BBC Micro or something? Deeply suss. We had a BBC Micro in the house since before I was born, and I'm in my mid 30s. loving cracking computer, that. BTW, you can play pretty much all the games that ever came out on the Micro online here: http://www.bbcmicro.co.uk
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I like the "and you turned out ok" in the nostalgia copypasta there It was actually written by a childe a couple of days ago, they just have a weird home life
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I like the "and you turned out ok" in the nostalgia copypasta there All us kids growing up in the early '90s turned out fine, just ask Jon Venables
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