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TheAgent posted:if that "CIG is completely redoing SQ42 under an entirely new engine" leaks are true I'm gonna lol myself into an early grave The problem with this is how to they hire the talent required to develop on the new engine without being able to advertise they are using the new engine. Instead, they are totally selling SQ42 to another company to develop. 
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Of course lots of fun things fit that redacted template. For example, if the rumors of unusable motion capture are to be believed, it could be read like this: "Crytek filed its motion for the simple reason that CIG, as unbelievable as it sounds several years into game development, purports that it is rewriting much of the storyline for the game's plot. While it seems far-fetched that any video game developer, who has been working extensively on a game and is pressing toward a release date, would be rewriting the core storyboard, CIG stated this position in a recent verified discovery response." Either way, whatever was redacted suggested that CIG is delaying the release. Whether it's for an engine switch, a story change, or giving Chris time to get his ill-gotten funds out of the country, the humor is hiding under the black.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:46
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Scruffpuff posted:That's what my own personal Mad Libs insert sounds like. very postpone
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Jan 25, 2020 01:47
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So are they stalling out the lawsuit to claim that they did not develop Squadron 42 with a new engine, which would not be permitted under the GLA for 2 years after they terminated the contract (which they never terminated)? Are they just hiding the switch behind shifting schedule updates until the lawsuit is over? Are those black boxes covering up a potential release to console?
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Jan 25, 2020 01:47
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who knows, but its a good bet if they are trying to release sq42 as a standalone console game, that totally fucks with the whole "no see, its accessed through the same launcher so its the same game under the GLA" shtick they've been pushing for years now it could also be something like "in the early game design and planning stages, with no substantial progress since 2014."
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Jan 25, 2020 01:53
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this puts them in a really, really bad position re: the sq42 roadmap if you're telling crytek and the court "sq42 won't be ready until 2025" but you're telling your investors and backers "its going into beta in 2020" well, gently caress, there's some serious loving problems there and its no longer a bunch of idiots whose money you can use for whatever yachting experience, but a bunch of lawyers, a judge and a billionaire investor so yeah, chris, good luck with all this
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Jan 25, 2020 01:57
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TheAgent posted:I mean its gotta be console related poo poo. it has to be. It's literally the only reason that you could have for a purposeful delay at this point, but I don't know how they square anything with the Sony model. Microsoft, on the other hand... trucutru posted:Ahahaha, I can't believe the goddamn theory you fudsters came with was actually right. There's a problem with the claim that Amazon has grounds to license source code going *backwards*, no matter what Amazon or Ci!G say. Talk is cheap right up until the point you're deposed. On the other hand it's really a question of waiting and seeing what the counsel pull out of their rear end on both sides, but lets not lose sight of the fact that CI!G now doesn't want a delay and Crytek doesn't. Seriously, that's a biggie. Parpticularly given that they want no prejudice.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:59
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Scruffpuff posted:Of course lots of fun things fit that redacted template. For example, if the rumors of unusable motion capture are to be believed, it could be read like this: Talk to Transformer posted:Crytek filed its motion for the simple reason that CIG, as unbelievable as it sounds several years into game development, purports to be the victim of securities fraud. The problem is that CIG does not yet have any game assets that it is a party to, and so a proper motion for a sham relief order can be filed.
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TheAgent posted:so yeah, chris, good luck with all this Best birthday present that a Soros apparachick and Star Citizen hate-crimer could have.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:00
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I'm not sure how the Crobbler's Frankenstein poo poo-code could ever pass console certification, even in this, our most ridiculous timeline.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:02
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The only significant thing I can think of lately that CIG has purported is the change to Lumberyard. So my guess would be the first line is about them claiming to scrap all of the work with CryTek to swap over at this stage, and the second one is how unlikely it sounds that they would be willing to scrap all their work and start over.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:03
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Scruffpuff posted:Of course lots of fun things fit that redacted template. For example, if the rumors of unusable motion capture are to be believed, it could be read like this: Wait, what? I was like 99.99% positive it went like this: "Crytek filed its motion for the simple reason that CIG, as unbelievable as it sounds several years into game development, purports that procedural birds and feather tickling are integral to the player's experience. While it seems far-fetched that any video game developer, who has been working extensively on a game and is pressing toward a release date, would be perfecting duck-plucking mechanics in zero-G, CIG stated this position in a recent verified discovery response."
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Jan 25, 2020 03:03
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CIG's hail mary move to save Star Citizen is to release Squadron 42 to console and hopefully raise enough cash to pay off Calders and keep the company afloat, all they need to do is navigate the lawsuit and maybe the plan will work. Oh, but what's this? Crytek want to wait until you actually release the game before they continue litigation. They're waiting for you at the end to take a big wet bite out of your SQ42 windfall. They're double dog daring you to release it to consoles so that 1. everyone will see that you're using the same old junky engine that you said you stopped using, 2. You were purposefully delaying the game to skirt around the lawsuit, 3. They know the game is poo poo and want to see you judged for the hack you are, chris.
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Jan 25, 2020 03:11
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"Crytek filed its motion for the simple reason that CIG, as unbelievable as it sounds several years into game development, purports that releasing a Chris Roberts game will ruin the company's funding model, leading to insolvency. While it seems far-fetched that any video game developer, who has been working extensively on a game and is pressing toward a release date, would be delaying release to milk whale backers of funds, CIG stated this position in a recent verified discovery response."
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Jan 25, 2020 03:14
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"[img posted:https://i.imgur.com/3v4Bqzt.png[/img]"]Of course, the reverse is equally true, i.e., CIG does have an obligation to credit Crytek if it has not switched away from the CryEngine. As detailed in Section I.A.2, CIG has already stated that it continues to rely on the same CryEngine code covered by the GLA—there was no switch Come onnnnn, Cryengine splash screens  (I know it's a timeline too far, but this would just be hilarious)
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Jan 25, 2020 03:17
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Star Citizen: While You Were Funding, I Studied the Yacht.
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Jan 25, 2020 04:16
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Hannibal Rex posted:Star Citizen: While You Were Funding, I Studied the Yacht. 
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Jan 25, 2020 04:20
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That loving roadmap lmfao. Jesus christ what must it be like to be the kind of person who has spent the last five years being certain that any loving day now CIG is gonna prove the haters wrong, and then just keep reading this poo poo every month.
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This seems like the biggest unknown of 2020 — did Chris con Calder in 2018 or not? Did he knowingly mislead him about the true state of Squadron, or did he sell him on something else and they just publicized the deal as a Squadron-centric investment? I can’t believe he’d be stupid enough to deliberately mislead a guy like Calder. But it sure feels like he must have. Doesn’t it feel like it finally sunk through to Chris last year that he was completely and totally screwed? Chris is the best salesman they have — so why has he gone silent? Is he afraid of saying something that will come back to haunt him? Has he already been sidelined and his projects turned over to outsiders? If you’re Calder, do you see Chris as a liability? He presumably does, otherwise why let the guy backers love most opt out of proselytizing to them? 2019 and 2020 still don’t have an explanatory narrative yet. Our last big narrative change was “Clive Calder invests $46 million to market Squadron 42 for a 2020 release.” That narrative has collapsed. It was pretty obvious long before Crytek made their provocative suggestions about the uncertainty of Squadron’s release. Now it’s crystal clear and with 300% magnification. But what exactly are the ramifications of that?
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Jan 25, 2020 04:42
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I'm wondering, how big a straight slice of the yearly backer funding, for how long, would the Calders have needed to get for their investment to simply be profitable that way?
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Jan 25, 2020 04:52
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G0RF posted:I can’t believe he’d be stupid enough to deliberately mislead a guy like Calder. But it sure feels like he must have. You mean the same guy who took Microsoft millions intended for Freelancer and spent it on Wingcommander VS The Muppets The Movie and ostensibly got away with it? Never I say!
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Jan 25, 2020 05:23
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Pixelate posted:How could the NPC even drag you into ship if they can't transition physics grids? Im the ship with two tail engines that, in no way, shapr, or form, could prevent itself from flying rear end over end because of newtonian physics.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:33
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DapperDon posted:Aaaaaand here you have it folks. Cryteks very prompt reply. I keep unconsciously hovering my mouse over the redacted bits expecting the text to pop up like it was spoiler tag.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:42
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Quavers posted:"Crytek filed its motion for the simple reason that CIG, as unbelievable as it sounds several years into game development, purports that releasing a Chris Roberts game will ruin the company's funding model, leading to insolvency. While it seems far-fetched that any video game developer, who has been working extensively on a game and is pressing toward a release date, would be delaying release to milk whale backers of funds, CIG stated this position in a recent verified discovery response." "https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6256484/115/2/crytek-gmbh-v-cloud-imperium-games-corp/" posted:No. 1 in late November 2019. Crytek intends to re-file its claims after CIG actually releases Squadron 42, not because the release is a necessary precondition to Crytek’s breach claim, but because CIG will no longer have any ability to hide how it has been developing Squadron 42 once it releases it. CIG’s delay games will end, and once CIG releases Squadron 42 as a standalone game (in line with its public statements), it will indisputably confirm that CIG has been developing Squadron 42 as a standalone game in breach of the GLA. While your post makes sense. The court doc intimates that the ~mystery redactions~ have to do with how the game is being developed. Also while chris is a leech I doubt he is intelligent or self aware enough to realize that the game releasing would kill his income stream.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:43
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Armadillo Tank posted:While your post makes sense. The court doc intimates that the ~mystery redactions~ have to do with how the game is being developed. Also while chris is a leech I doubt he is intelligent or self aware enough to realize that the game releasing would kill his income stream. 
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G0RF posted:This seems like the biggest unknown of 2020 — did Chris con Calder in 2018 or not? Did he knowingly mislead him about the true state of Squadron, or did he sell him on something else and they just publicized the deal as a Squadron-centric investment? I mean, Chris might have tried to con the Calders (that wouldn't be out of character for the scumbag) but those sorts of investors are quite savvy and perfectly happy to pretend to be conned. 'cuz their contracts will protect them and the one with the money makes the contract. In the worst case they lose some money and deduct it from their taxes. In any case, if some dudes invest fifty million in your company that is living hand-to-mouth they own your rear end.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:50
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I for one, cannot wait to see how Crobblers worms his way out of this mess. Maybe he already has! 
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Jan 25, 2020 06:01
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*crobbler worms his way out of the mess, easily* "ah, well, nevertheless!"
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Crobbler has his mansion and will always have his golden parachute. Everything but his reputation will be fine. The losers were always the backers.
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I'm beginning to believe that the Calder "investment" really was a buy out. I'm wondering how much control Chris actually had on paper regarding the Kickstarter money. Was it appropriated to a fund in his name? Or was it more ambigously put into a Corporation? Perhaps Chris realized he was close to running out of funds and he finally saw the truth that the game was not coming together. The Calders offered an "advertising investment" which really was a buyout of Chris, he gets to stay on as the "head" but is no longer in direct control of CIG or development of the games. This allows him to save face well making his exit, again not unlock Shroud of the Avatar and Richard Garriot but on a larger scale. It would explain the almost complete dissapearance of Chris/Sandy/Erin since the investment. Popete fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Popete posted:I'm beginning to believe that the Calder "investment" really was a buy out. I'm wondering how much control Chris actually had on paper regarding the Kickstarter money. Was it appropriated to a fund in his name? Or was it more ambigously put into a Corporation? quote:Citcon 2019 He answered the Calder.
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"This is, well, this is the end"
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TheAgent posted:who knows, but its a good bet You're all way overthinking this. They aren't intentionally delaying anything. They simply have nothing to release, and won't have for a very long time. In their quest for fidelity they don't have many basic features even working or even on the roadmap. Half of what they need for SQ42 is on the SC roadmap and not planned for months or even longer. No idea what the deal is with Calder, but whatever it is, this years i suspect someone is going to be in hot water.
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Quavers posted:The following cards have been added to the Roadmap under the Alpha 3.9 Column: Does the game perform poorly when dogfighting at high speed?
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maybe they are switching engine for squadron54, aka redo everything, to release on next gen consoles. and keep lumberyacht/cry for sc.
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Bumble He posted:maybe they are switching engine for squadron54, aka redo everything, to release on next gen consoles. That would mean that CIG was flat out lying about Squadron 42 being close to finished for years and they've been squandering tens of millions of dollars jerking off backers since 2015. Would CIG do that? Yes, yes they would
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it really is just a wild guess. but if they did that: - squeeze the last pennies out of their pu-backers and put it into a complete refactor of squadron 42 on a new engine for the ps5 / xbox-x-one-x 360 (or whatever its called). - kick roberts out - then drop the pu then this could be the calder's cheap entry into the vidjagame market. but yeah my stuff is not based on any knowledge just blabla.
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Bumble He posted:it really is just a wild guess. but if they did that: If they did that, the CIG name would forever be tainted and they would fail to gain any significant traction because of association with Star Citizen. That would be a dead-end entry into the market.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:
The community overwhelmingly voted on a poll to get rid of SQ42, you fudster!
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Keep cool guys. I've seen bigger delays in the last few years, that's harmless. The roadmap is a guarantee for quarter patches, not a feature guarantee. And we get some new features, that's also great. It looks like, SQ42 is still the priority and that's fine.