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socialsecurity posted:If anything when it tries to be "about science" it comes off as offensive and just dumb. "Hey I built this machine that harvests power from every black hole in the universe at the same time on this desk in 5 minutes" "gently caress yeah science!" Yum yum
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Salvaging a Borg Cube makes sense for a flotilla desperate for literal breathign room: Earth, Hitler, 1933 quote:Bashir, O'Brien and Ezri all seem plausible, both character and actor wise. Oh man, if Ezri shows up before me and my SO get to her first appearance on DS9, I'm gonna have some 'splainin' to do!
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socialsecurity posted:If anything when it tries to be "about science" it comes off as offensive and just dumb. "Hey I built this machine that harvests power from every black hole in the universe at the same time on this desk in 5 minutes" "gently caress yeah science!" HD DAD posted:This. Star Trek, first and foremost, is constructed of morality plays based on allegories for current events. And these allegories are sometimes hilariously unsubtle. It just has a “hot science of the week” icing on top. I'm mostly basing my assertion off the original writer's bible for TOS and to a similar extent TNG. Basically: Science is good, but if there's no story, then science must go. The biggest things for those two bibles was character, story and believable-ness. You can do something about Holodecks, you cannot just have characters go "whoooa man whoooa holodecks this tech is amazing whoaaaa like enterprise did". Nobody wants to watch a show about neat gadgets. It's boring. Science as well is not really a story in an of itself, so if you can't get a good story out of the tech or the science, then you don't worry about it too much.The believable part refers to characters being consistently written and behaving the way they're supposed to (unless the story is about characters being out of character).    Watching Weird Entertainment Conspiracy Youtube shriek and scream all day about Star Trek being "about the science" or "the canon" and claiming that The Next Generation was 100% pure intellectual smartguy bigbrain hardscience, all of the time, with zero instances of anything else is so strange I'm almost compelled to ask if these people watch or care about Star Trek at all... That's not even getting into the strongly and confidently stated claims that Star Trek not only flawlessly maintains a completely consistent canon and, before "they" took over from Rick Berman, was a show filled with integrity, honesty, and a core dedication to making good television and nothing else. TheDiceMustRoll fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 17:21
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:
Enterprise the show? Or the ship? Because if the former, season 1 Picard would like a word, that whole scene there is ridiculous
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Jan 25, 2020 17:25
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:"about the science" or "the canon" and claiming that The Next Generation was 100% pure intellectual smartguy bigbrain hardscience, all of the time, with zero instances of anything else is so strange I'm almost compelled to ask if these people watch or care about Star Trek at all... I might sound like an arrogant smartass but when I was in middle school (12-13 y/o) star trek did sound 'whoa science bitch!' in a nerdy way.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:29
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This has probably been asked already, but Dahjs mom knew she went to Picard. Was that the assassin's impersonating her mother? Was is Dahjs memory faltering?
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Jan 25, 2020 17:32
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I might sound like an arrogant smartass but when I was in middle school (12-13 y/o) star trek did sound 'whoa science bitch!' in a nerdy way. And there you go. The “smartguy bigbrain” YouTubers haven’t really evolved beyond middle school, socially or emotionally.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:33
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Zotix posted:This has probably been asked already, but Dahjs mom knew she went to Picard. Was that the assassin's impersonating her mother? Was is Dahjs memory faltering? Probably not even real or a AI.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:34
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Zotix posted:This has probably been asked already, but Dahjs mom knew she went to Picard. Was that the assassin's impersonating her mother? Was is Dahjs memory faltering? Her mom is some sort of AI. It glitched out in the middle of the conversation and changed tactics.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:36
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Enterprise the show? Or the ship? Because if the former, season 1 Picard would like a word, that whole scene there is ridiculous Enterprise had a lot of weirdly tensionless episodes, like the MPREG episode that doesn't set up the conflict (unpreg tucker) until nearly halfway through the show. They spend like 8 minutes in a holodeck with Tucker just going "woooooooooooooooow this is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing" and this happens more than a few times in ENT 1. The comet drilling episode has no conflict until the last five minutes when suddenly there's some real stakes and I feel like a more competent writer would have these conflicts jumping up and biting you in the face. There's another episode where they spend like 5 or 6 minutes just walking around a national park taking pictures and going "wooooow earth's first discovered M-Class planet, this is craaaaaaaaaaaazy". It's so weird that you get stuff like "The Andorian Incident" which immediately establishes a conflict with stakes and keeps it running concurrently throughout the episode, while delivering action, worldbuilding, character development, etc in the same season and then have a swathe of episodes where basically nothing happened. AntherUslessPoster posted:I might sound like an arrogant smartass but when I was in middle school (12-13 y/o) star trek did sound 'whoa science bitch!' in a nerdy way. Oh yeah, it feels more science-y and dorky than a cool show or film about blowing poo poo up and saving the princess, but it's not really about "the science". The Deep Space Nine documentary writer's room thing had the phrase "and then obrien techs the tech thing" written on it.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I'm mostly basing my assertion off the original writer's bible for TOS and to a similar extent TNG. I saw one such Weird Entertainment Conspiracy YouTuber having a full on twitter meltdown yesterday screaming about how she was demanding a personal apology from Alex Kurtzman before she'd ever watch another episode of Star Trek again. It was kind of amazing.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:42
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:it's not really about "the science" I implied that in the 'middle school' part. We all know its about characters, cmon. Or there are still people who pray the Lord and Savior The Allmighty Deflector Dish?
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CPColin posted:Earth, Hitler, 1933 Kinda bad taste considering it's the literal opposite situation, and refugees are demonised enough
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Jan 25, 2020 17:43
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I agree stop making Star Trek references in a Star Trek thread, bad taste.
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Anyway, viewership numbers are starting to trickle in, and Picard's first episode was the most watched single broadcast in the history of CTV Sci-Fi/Space Channel in Canada. God only knows how well its doing on Amazon Prime and CBS Access if it did this well on a Canadian basic cable broadcast network.
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nine-gear crow posted:I saw one such Weird Entertainment Conspiracy YouTuber having a full on twitter meltdown yesterday screaming about how she was demanding a personal apology from Alex Kurtzman before she'd ever watch another episode of Star Trek again. It was kind of amazing. Is it that redhead nutcase? I saw a video filled with her histronics and amazingly enough she was directly quoting a random 4chan shitpost ("I'm an insider guys! they fired kurtzman for real! they're going to sell star trek to Seth macfarlane!!") and constantly choking back and being on the verge of tears. I'd laugh, but I honestly feel sorry for people like this. At one point she grabs her breasts and goes "yeah, me! someone like me likes ship schematics!" which...there's just so much stuff to unpack there! AntherUslessPoster posted:I implied that in the 'middle school' part. We all know its about characters, cmon. Or there are still people who pray the Lord and Savior The Allmighty Deflector Dish? Here's someone talking about how nobody liked special effects in Star Trek, or explosions or space battles or vicariously lived the life of a starfleet officer... Content Warning: Dangerous psychosis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLr14zO3i0E&t=180s
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nine-gear crow posted:Anyway, viewership numbers are starting to trickle in, and Picard's first episode was the most watched single broadcast in the history of CTV Sci-Fi/Space Channel in Canada. God only knows how well its doing on Amazon Prime and CBS Access if it did this well on a Canadian basic cable broadcast network. PStew does not gently caress around.
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, there is a subset of weird YouTube People who are legit mad about this show for..l I honestly know why, literally everyone else on the planet who’s seen it so far is gushing about it. There is a subset that are pre-pissed off that the show will be supportive of "others": immigrants, gays, basically anybody not a cis white male. I don't know how they got through the other series with their viewpoints.
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pyrotek posted:There is a subset that are pre-pissed off that the show will be supportive of "others": immigrants, gays, basically anybody not a cis white male. They don’t actually like the franchise, they’re just doing these dumb outrage videos for the clicks because that’s what YouTube has become.  See also: 90% of YouTube videos discussing [established genre franchise putting out new media]
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Grand Fromage posted:I agree stop making Star Trek references in a Star Trek thread, bad taste. Note to galley: Romulan Ale no longer to be served in this thread.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Is it that redhead nutcase? I saw a video filled with her histronics and amazingly enough she was directly quoting a random 4chan shitpost ("I'm an insider guys! they fired kurtzman for real! they're going to sell star trek to Seth macfarlane!!") and constantly choking back and being on the verge of tears. I'd laugh, but I honestly feel sorry for people like this. At one point she grabs her breasts and goes "yeah, me! someone like me likes ship schematics!" which...there's just so much stuff to unpack there! Yes it was the red (and blue) haired lady. Though there only seems to be like five of these folks and they all reinforce one another's worst antics.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:The biggest canard I see trotted out is a claim that Star Trek is "about science" which is one of the most incorrect sentences about star trek there is. There's a fairly big overlap between sci-fi nerds and science nerds. It's distressingly common for fans to mistake Trek's "artificial science flavoring" for something a lot more genuine. Maybe it's because Trek uses real-world scientific terms like positronic and quantum and gravimetric to describe its sci-fi bolognium, instead of having totally made-up terminology like in Harry Potter or the MCU.
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Is there a Youtube Bot that lets you down vote every video on a channel? That would be useful for people like that.
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nine-gear crow posted:Anyway, viewership numbers are starting to trickle in, and Picard's first episode was the most watched single broadcast in the history of CTV Sci-Fi/Space Channel in Canada. God only knows how well its doing on Amazon Prime and CBS Access if it did this well on a Canadian basic cable broadcast network. I was talking about the show with my buddies at work and twice a random customer overheard us and came up to us asking if the show was good, people are hearing about Picard, there is buzz around the show that there simply wasn't for Discovery
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Rhyno posted:Is there a Youtube Bot that lets you down vote every video on a channel? That would be useful for people like that. There's a browser extension for Chrome and FireFox called BlockTube. It lets you block channels and videos from showing up in your feed or search results. I started using it last year and it cleared all these perma-mad asswipes out of my life for the most part. Also thanks to The Algorithm, YouTube counts upvotes and downvotes equally as Engagement so you're actually making the video more popular by doing that. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Tighclops posted:I was talking about the show with my buddies at work and twice a random customer overheard us and came up to us asking if the show was good, people are hearing about Picard, there is buzz around the show that there simply wasn't for Discovery I mean it definitely helps that it’s starring an established character who’s been a household name for 30 years, but CBS has also been marketing the poo poo out of it in a way they never did with Discovery.
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nine-gear crow posted:There's a browser extension for Chrome and FireFox called BlockTube. It lets you block channels amd videos from showing up in your feed or search results. I started using it last year and it cleared all these perma-mad asswipes out of my life for the most part. I feel you on blocking them, but poo poo like this is incredibly funny:    
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They don’t actually like the franchise, they’re just doing these dumb outrage videos for the clicks because that’s what YouTube has become. I need gay space communism because I want a creative platform that doesn’t immediately get overrun by shills min-maxing its algorithms for profit.
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'I was in second grade when I found star trek' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLr14zO3i0E&t=96s) Well she didn't evolve much after that.  edit damnit I need an extra cup of Earl Grey after that. This was insulting to me as a Trekkie.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:'I was in second grade when I found star trek' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLr14zO3i0E&t=96s) The voice quavers and genuine-sounding upset are just amazing. This is a person who is going to wake up in ten years, realize they're a cat lady, and not know how in the gently caress that happened.
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Powered Descent posted:There's a fairly big overlap between sci-fi nerds and science nerds. It's distressingly common for fans to mistake Trek's "artificial science flavoring" for something a lot more genuine. Maybe it's because Trek uses real-world scientific terms like positronic and quantum and gravimetric to describe its sci-fi bolognium, instead of having totally made-up terminology like in Harry Potter or the MCU. Though there's also things like PADDs and communicators that inspire real world technology. A lot of low key Star Trek tech is fun because they explore the implications of it in thoughtful ways, and often predict things no one else would- miniaturisation for one, and the way the Holodeck and Holosuites are treated is surprisingly on point to video games, especially now with indie developers and mods, and also most of it being porn, and recreations of ancient genres by people who weren't even born during their heyday (and aren't even part of the same species or culture who made it) but find everything old is new again.
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Do we really want to support these morons by linking their videos? Watching counts as support, and down-voting counts even more like nine-gear crow stated. Edit: mocking them is fun too now that I think about it
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I feel you on blocking them, but poo poo like this is incredibly funny: That last tweet was the one I was referring to, yeah. Holy poo poo all the ones before it  especially that "Nebulous Past Trek From My Childhood knew how to do diversity right" one. Just... holy poo poo. What is she even saying.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also thanks to The Algorithm, YouTube counts upvotes and downvotes equally as Engagement so you're actually making the video more popular by doing that. This is the most bullshit thing I have ever heard. I blame you personally for this.
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nine-gear crow posted:There's a browser extension for Chrome and FireFox called BlockTube. It lets you block channels and videos from showing up in your feed or search results. I started using it last year and it cleared all these perma-mad asswipes out of my life for the most part. Offtopic and I apologise, but is there a thread on SA somewhere for this kinda stuff? I really want to clean up my browsing experience across a whole load of sites.
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I really was worried it was just going to be Discovery: Picard but I was pleasantly surprised. Also, I remember years and years ago some behind the scenes for tng and it was literally "then the writers put [insert technobabble here] in the script" then some other writer not in the writers room padded it out.
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nine-gear crow posted:That last tweet was the one I was referring to, yeah. Holy poo poo all the ones before it I want to sit her down in front of, oh, let's say, DS9's Past Tense and ask if it is also a 'bratty kid'.
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pyrotek posted:There is a subset that are pre-pissed off that the show will be supportive of "others": immigrants, gays, basically anybody not a cis white male. There must be some correlation between racism and an idiocy.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:There must be some correlation between racism and an idiocy. Have you ever met someone who is really racist?
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Gaz-L posted:I want to sit her down in front of, oh, let's say, DS9's Past Tense and ask if it is also a 'bratty kid'. “I don’t like inclusiveness and diversity unless it was in stuff I watched as a literal child. Then it’s okay.”
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