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Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



speaking of, weren't they saying that like every single one of the original batch of patients developed pneumonia? it doesn't sound like that happened with the latter cases. just bad info or is it too early in all the new cases or something?

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

snoo posted:

"The most frequently reported symptoms were 40 (98%) with fever, 31 (76%) with cough, and 18 (44%) with muscle aches and tiredness. Less frequent symptoms included coughing sputum or blood, headache and diarrhea." x

:mad:

Missed the most important part
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

quote:

41 admitted hospital patients had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection. Most of the infected patients were men (30 [73%] of 41); less than half had underlying diseases (13 [32%]), including diabetes (eight [20%]), hypertension (six [15%]), and cardiovascular disease (six [15%]). Median age was 49·0 years (IQR 41·0–58·0). 27 (66%) of 41 patients had been exposed to Huanan seafood market. One family cluster was found. Common symptoms at onset of illness were fever (40 [98%] of 41 patients), cough (31 [76%]), and myalgia or fatigue (18 [44%]); less common symptoms were sputum production (11 [28%] of 39), headache (three [8%] of 38), haemoptysis (two [5%] of 39), and diarrhoea (one [3%] of 38). Dyspnoea developed in 22 (55%) of 40 patients (median time from illness onset to dyspnoea 8·0 days [IQR 5·0–13·0]). 26 (63%) of 41 patients had lymphopenia. All 41 patients had pneumonia with abnormal findings on chest CT. Complications included acute respiratory distress syndrome (12 [29%]), RNAaemia (six [15%]), acute cardiac injury (five [12%]) and secondary infection (four [10%]). 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died. Compared with non-ICU patients, ICU patients had higher plasma levels of IL2, IL7, IL10, GSCF, IP10, MCP1, MIP1A, and TNFα.

MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020

by Athanatos

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

speaking of, weren't they saying that like every single one of the original batch of patients developed pneumonia? it doesn't sound like that happened with the latter cases. just bad info or is it too early in all the new cases or something?

It sounds like everyone who was *hospitalized* in December had pneumonia, but for all we know there were younger members of their families/other people they came in contact with who probably also got the virus but were asymptomatic (just at the time? became symptomatic later?)

Still too early to tell on a lot of it

Schnorkles
Apr 30, 2015

It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

yeah, this is not the symptoms of the first 41 cases, but rather 41 out of 59 cases of pneumonia in a cluster where hospitalization occurred.

this is serious, a 15% mortality rate in pneumonia for hospitalizations is high, but the study here is limited both in sample size and in population representation.

Schnorkles
Apr 30, 2015

It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

speaking of, weren't they saying that like every single one of the original batch of patients developed pneumonia? it doesn't sound like that happened with the latter cases. just bad info or is it too early in all the new cases or something?

there would be absolutely no way to know this.

Of a group of 59 hospitalizations of pneumonia, 41 of them had the Wuhan coronavirus. That's literally the study.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
my anus is bleeding

my spoon is too big

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



Schnorkles posted:

there would be absolutely no way to know this.

Of a group of 59 hospitalizations of pneumonia, 41 of them had the Wuhan coronavirus. That's literally the study.

haha ok that makes more sense then

Doc Walrus
Jan 2, 2014




Cryin' Chris is a WASTE.
Nap Ghost

I know what CNN said about Plague Inc but I also know what Plague Inc said about this

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS



Schnorkles
Apr 30, 2015

It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

haha ok that makes more sense then

I think the thing to note is that the numbers we're seeing are basically that its a more dangerous form of pneumonia that requires intubation in a higher percentage of population and, as such, likely has a higher mortality rate.

this combined with it being very contagious means that we're going to see a lot more absolute cases of pneumonia and early data is that those cases of pneumonia will have worse outcomes than normal CAP. The percentage of overall cases of coronavirus that become pneumonia is not known and i dunno when/if we'll be getting estimates on that. That's not an easy thing to suss out.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1221670427052793856?s=20

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
wild how a thing that makes us sneeze, cough, and poo poo blood out our asses can kill us

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

well, yea but arby's has a negative r0 rate

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


hey in contagion Gwyneth Paltrow dies in the first 5 minutes does that mean umm

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
yes all the women will die first

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1221676349678485504?s=20

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Equivalent to the population of Italy.

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1221651024420753408

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS

snoo posted:

me, with cough, muscle aches, headache and diarrhea: oh boy

quote:

Coronaviruses are enveloped, positive-sense, singlestranded RNA viruses, capable of rapid mutation and
recombination. They are classified into alphacoronaviruses and betacoronaviruses, which both have their
gene source from bats and are mainly found in mammals such as bats, rodents, civets, and humans;

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


oh only 5,000? :thunk:

5,000 out of a city of how many?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ypKdQbavRqGW

succ
Nov 11, 2016

by Cyrano4747
START CLOSING BORDERS

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


The Associated Press has just published a useful list of the latest figures on coronavirus infections. It says these are up-to-date as of midday on Monday in Beijing:

China: 2,744, with 769 of those newly confirmed in the 24 hours through midnight Sunday. Five are in Hong Kong and two in Macao. Nearly all of the 80 deaths have been in Hubei province, with four elsewhere in China.
United States: 5, 2 in southern California and 1 each in Washington state, Chicago, and Arizona.
Thailand: 8
Australia: 5
South Korea: 4
Japan: 4
Singapore: 4
Malaysia: 4
France: 3
Taiwan: 3
Vietnam: 2
Canada: 1
Nepal: 1

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe
The :matters: field will kick in any minute now, and we will never hear of this again.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

So as long as I do not let more than 5.74 people be in the room with me, I'm golden, right?!?!

snoo
Jul 5, 2007





MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

where is this new R0 of 5.7 coming from? Yesterday it was like 2.6 or something

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



MarcusSA posted:

where is this new R0 of 5.7 coming from? Yesterday it was like 2.6 or something

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


thanks and well that sucks.

quote:

With rising report rate, the mean R0 is likely to be below 5 but above 3. Conclusion: The mean estimate of R0 for the 2019-nCoV ranges from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10), and significantly larger than 1. Our findings indicate the potential of 2019-nCoV to cause outbreaks.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
https://twitter.com/hayesluk/status/1221692839785979906

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


almost certain that anyone older than 40 is going to have something on their chest ct

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
So is this actually a big one unlike SARS/bird flu/pig flu?

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1221454177123086336?s=20

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
https://twitter.com/ProMED_mail/status/1221638658123599873

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
Not only are the shifty mainlanders are attempting to deal with this flu crisis, but are "attempting" to use it to put down the HKers.

https://twitter.com/shiroihamusan/status/1221472216446947329?s=20

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Failson posted:

The :matters: field will kick in any minute now, and we will never hear of this again.

Exactly. People always forget that it also stops bad things from happening

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Ora Tzo posted:

Not only are the shifty mainlanders are attempting to deal with this flu crisis, but are "attempting" to use it to put down the HKers.

https://twitter.com/shiroihamusan/status/1221472216446947329?s=20

Chinese bio weapon confirmed

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


Interesting bit.

quote:

These numbers fit very nicely to case data available as of January 22, 2020, but unfortunately, they are wrong. The abrupt surge in confirmed case counts (to 1423 cases as of January 26, 2020) is not compatible with the growth process described above, certainly not with a SARS-compatible generation time of 6-10 days. Indeed, the authors of the MRC model (3) noted in one of their earlier reports that the volume of observed exported cases in countries outside China suggested a much larger underlying epidemic than had been reported at that time, and this epidemic may have begun a month prior to the recognition of the market-associated outbreak, consistent with the reported timing of viral emergence based on phylogenetic analyses (5). The authors of several analyses cited above have incorporated the MRC estimates of under-reporting in order to fit their models (2, 3, 5). A second line of evidence suggesting undercounting of cases relates to the older age of cases (median 59 years in early reports), and the even older age of fatal cases (averaging around 75 years in the first 17 deaths) as contrasted with a median age of 37 or 38 years in China. Increased age in cases as compared to the population as a whole suggests that younger (likely milder) cases have been under-reported. As such, it would seem likely that at least part of the sudden apparent growth in case counts does not reflect changes in transmission, but rather increasing ascertainment of previously undercounted cases.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
Just wondering, if you get exposed to the virus and recover you get immune to it right?

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Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
HK protesters have baby brains.

https://twitter.com/hoccgoomusic/status/1221286044072435715?s=20

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