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MRC48B posted:I like this photo of Ho Chi Minh better: He gave our president a letter asking for help after WW1. The thought being since we also got rid of our colonial overlords we would be willing to help. Instead we hosed him and he got help from the Soviets instead.
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In the future version of this thread we get to post pics of Kurdish leaders.
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bulletsponge13 posted:And we never did it again. If I was elected president I'd make the CIA put up a digital sign that says "Days since training irregulars has gone wrong" that resets at random a couple times a week.
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bulletsponge13 posted:And we never did it again. Depends on your definition of 'it'. Actually I don't think we've had any CIA trained militias attack us recently.
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Lol.quote:LEBANON, TN (WSMV) - A man making a court appearance on a charge of simple possession was arrested on Monday after lighting a marijuana cigarette in the courtroom. https://www.wsmv.com/news/wilson_co...30ea943c91.html
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ded posted:He gave our president a letter asking for help after WW1. The thought being since we also got rid of our colonial overlords we would be willing to help. Wasn't this partly due to the feeling of obligation to not go against French allies? I mean probably a bit of racism mixed in there too.
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We needed the French to stop being salty bitches about West Germany. In exchange we didn't interfere with the way they ran their "Colonies" Then we got a bunch of Smart Guys in Washington who framed every third world disagreement as Free World vs the Dark Forces of Communism. A lot of people died because of this mindset.
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The hero we need.
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When I said world war one it was not a typo.
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I hope Shaq goes out like he went in Ultimate Showdown so when people do all these called it tweets like they did for Kobe we get to see SAs greatest hits
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Eulogistics posted:It's testament to our strength that the only enemies we can't beat are the ones we trained ourselves We didn't train Bin Laden. Like we most certainly threw money and weapons at the Mujahideen fighters and the ISI, but not him. ded posted:He gave our president a letter asking for help after WW1. The thought being since we also got rid of our colonial overlords we would be willing to help. I always like how he asked one of the OSS advisers for a copy of the Decelaration of Independence so he could model a Vietnamese one addressed to the French. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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Bin Laden was running around Afghanistan with his own money. One of the reasons he founded Al Qaeda was that he was mad that we were involved there.
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Thomas Markle is such a piece of poo poo. There's all sorts of bad poo poo going on in the world, by all rights I shouldn't give a gently caress about something related to the Royal Family, that isn't Andrew's association with Epstein. But I've really developed a special hatred of this rear end in a top hat.
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Casimir Radon posted:Bin Laden was running around Afghanistan with his own money. One of the reasons he founded Al Qaeda was that he was mad that we were involved there. Yeah, this is correct. Also we didn't train ISIS, either. They were originally AQI, Al Qaida in Iraq. Sure, we created them in the sense that they would never have existed if we didn't invade Iraq. But we never gave them any kind of support whatsoever.
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bloops posted:I did. His testimony isn’t worth poo poo. NTSB is going to rely on the flight data recorders and any radar tracks. Not some guy wearing a defunct airline hat. The Navy Aviation Safety school house agrees too. Worse is that it’ll often lead people down the wrong track. Photos, videos, engineering data, radar, recordings, and “black box” data are the most reliable.
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There are times I think we could've gotten away with Iraq if the Bush Admin had been halfway competent and made things a bit better for the average Iraqi. Of course a more competent administration probably wouldn't have waltzed in there in the first place. Sectarian tensions probably would have blown up one way or another though in any scenario where we invaded.
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ded posted:When I said world war one it was not a typo. People forget just how old ho was and just how much wilson sucked
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Casimir Radon posted:There are times I think we could've gotten away with Iraq if the Bush Admin had been halfway competent and made things a bit better for the average Iraqi. Of course a more competent administration probably wouldn't have waltzed in there in the first place. Sectarian tensions probably would have blown up one way or another though in any scenario where we invaded. Yeah my impression is that an administration that wasn't completely delusional would have probably resulted in the whole thing being significantly less bad, possibly even a net positive eventually. But being completely delusional is the entire reason they went in in the first place so it's kind of moot.
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Casimir Radon posted:There are times I think we could've gotten away with Iraq if the Bush Admin had been halfway competent and made things a bit better for the average Iraqi. Of course a more competent administration probably wouldn't have waltzed in there in the first place. Sectarian tensions probably would have blown up one way or another though in any scenario where we invaded. If we'd have told the Iraqi Colonels "You're working for the US now," they'd have kept a lid on things and we could have transitioned out. As it was we acted like we were trying to create the conditions of a failed state.
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Milo and POTUS posted:People forget just how old ho was and just how much wilson sucked I mean let's be honest, we all knew the guy who had Birth of a Nation screened at the white house wasn't exactly batting a thousand on not being a shithead.
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SimonCat posted:If we'd have told the Iraqi Colonels "You're working for the US now," they'd have kept a lid on things and we could have transitioned out. As it was we acted like we were trying to create the conditions of a failed state. Coincidentally, this week the only way I see China removing Kim Jong-un
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Casimir Radon posted:There are times I think we could've gotten away with Iraq if the Bush Admin had been halfway competent and made things a bit better for the average Iraqi. Of course a more competent administration probably wouldn't have waltzed in there in the first place. Sectarian tensions probably would have blown up one way or another though in any scenario where we invaded. And it still would have drawn resources and attention from Afghanistan regardless. It was a terrible, unnecessary decision and nobody making it would have been halfway competent to begin with.
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SimonCat posted:If we'd have told the Iraqi Colonels "You're working for the US now," they'd have kept a lid on things and we could have transitioned out. As it was we acted like we were trying to create the conditions of a failed state. How else are the contractors going to get paid for what's almost two decades now? It's still amazing to me Cheney had a sizeable stake in Haliburton as they were making money off decisions he helped make.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's still amazing to me Cheney had a sizeable stake in Haliburton as they were making money off decisions he helped make. It's practically Executive branch policy now.
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Casimir Radon posted:There are times I think we could've gotten away with Iraq if the Bush Admin had been halfway competent and made things a bit better for the average Iraqi. Of course a more competent administration probably wouldn't have waltzed in there in the first place. Sectarian tensions probably would have blown up one way or another though in any scenario where we invaded. After reading Fiasco, my firm conclusion was that the US Army and the Bush Administration had succeeded spectacularly at ensuring there would be a violent and bloody insurgency with every single decision they made. hmm yes let's disband the entire army and fire nearly everyone from government and tell them they can't get work here again. wait, why are all these unemployed men with weapons training attacking us? why are there constant rolling blackouts, a total lack of social services, and garbage piling up in the streets? someone help my invasion is dying
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as an aside it's a good read (though probably outdated now, book came out in what, 2005?) but Fiasco has made me more angry than almost any other book I've read Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and the rest of those insane idiots deserve to be kicked in the balls and the teeth twelve times a day, every day, from now until the loving sun goes out.
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The entire War on Terror is peak American exceptionalism
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Acebuckeye13 posted:as an aside it's a good read (though probably outdated now, book came out in what, 2005?) but Fiasco has made me more angry than almost any other book I've read Yeah it’s bad, especially as W. gets to live in luxury as a retired elder statesman, with no fear of a war crimes trial.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah it’s bad, especially as W. gets to live in luxury as a retired elder statesman, with no fear of a war crimes trial. Bush was probably the second least corrupt Republican president in the last half century, and I'm not even trying to say anything nice about him here.
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We might have avoided some of the fire directed at us with a different set of decisions, but Iraq was never going to go well. I think once you invade, the civil war was almost inevitable. Best case scenario is you get Saddam 2. And people there rightfully hating us was inevitable with any sustained occupation. The only strong non-state institutions left were religions and local big men. So your options were to either maintain a state that was built for authoritarian minority rule (Saddam 2) or do what we did and destroy the state, which makes civil war, religious fervor, and the rise of local strongmen inevitable. Plus, there was no way we weren't becoming an enemy of the people with how the war was sold. At least 25% of the average soldiers and marines believed the lies about how "they did 9/11" or worse some variant of the "it's a new crusade" thing, making them view the average Iraqi as subhuman, leading to casual cruelty and contempt.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/business/chipotle-child-labor-law-violations/index.html Looks like the going rate for child labor violations in the US is $100. At that price, why wouldn't you?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/business/chipotle-child-labor-law-violations/index.html Kidding aside I washed dishes at an Old Country Butthole for 3 weeks when I was 17 then quit in the middle of a shift when I had enough. They pulled poo poo like clocking you out at 10PM if you were under 18, but requiring you to keep cleaning until it was done. They've mostly been sued out of existence now.
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American Hero Eddie Gallagher posted a video calling out and naming the SEALs who reported and testified against him, including one who’s now a part of Team Six. Guess outing members of a SMU is cool and good with the Fox News crowd now.  quote:
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pantslesswithwolves posted:American Hero Eddie Gallagher posted a video calling out and naming the SEALs who reported and testified against him, including one who’s now a part of Team Six. Guess outing members of a SMU is cool and good with the Fox News crowd now. I mean not much of a development but man that guy is a huge piece of poo poo. Also big if true, https://twitter.com/realalexrubi/status/1222195959859417088?s=21
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If I got to be dictator for a day I think one thing I'd do is cut the DoD budget in half and use the part that was cut either straight in to the Department of State or stand up an organization specifically dedicated to improving things with drat near any other set of tools besides military intervention. We keep asking the military to be peace keeping forces or economic development agents or nation builders and it just doesn't loving work. Guess it's profitable for the MIC though so welp, never gonna go away until we have some pretty serious poo poo go down.
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Handsome Ralph posted:I mean not much of a development but man that guy is a huge piece of poo poo. Everything Trump does, eventually, helps the Russians. Its amazing.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:After reading Fiasco, my firm conclusion was that the US Army and the Bush Administration had succeeded spectacularly at ensuring there would be a violent and bloody insurgency with every single decision they made. I had a RAND wonk complain to me in the late '00s that RAND had compiled a report for the DOD on stabilization planning for Iraq and Rumsfeld did the opposite of almost every recommendation.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:American Hero Eddie Gallagher posted a video calling out and naming the SEALs who reported and testified against him, including one who’s now a part of Team Six. Guess outing members of a SMU is cool and good with the Fox News crowd now. They should Guantanamo that piece of poo poo.
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