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Grand Fromage posted:I've been thinking this for ages. Nobody wants a screen with the background visible like that! Good lord that would be distracting. This bugs me in The Expanse, too with the little clear hand PDA/tablets and fixed screens they use. Especially since IINM they never use them for the one use case a display would be good for: a sort of handheld augmented reality style overlay, like you hold it up and it gives you magnification or a real-time maintenance schematic mapped to the equipment you're working on.
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Khanstant posted:Isn't the context of the Plinkett bits that for a long time people who cared that much about the minutiae and fine points of criticism were derogatorily accused of being basement dwelling, a tragedy in waiting. Yeah, Plinkett is the deranged sort of individual who would make an hour long review about some star wars movie he hated. I don't think they have used any of the "keeps kidnapped women in his basement" stuff in the last 10 or so years though.
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I think they also said Mike worried conventionally delivering the copy as a bog-standard review in his natural speaking voice would be "boring." And maybe they were right, since the approach they used gave them a pretty decent amount of low-key internet fame (or infamy).
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MikeJF posted:I assume Maddox didn't actually base her on the painting, he based her on Data's conception of what another daughter might look like, an image that Data also chose to paint and give to Picard. From Data's Day: Data posted:Dear Commander Maddox, in reference to your most recent letter, I agree that your study lacks the primary source information on my programming and operation. Therefore; in response to your request, this correspondence will include a complete record of my activities during a normal day, with particular emphasis on friendship. They were clearly regular correspondents. Data made the painting somewhere around two years after this episode. Is it really such a stretch to imagine another letter: "Dear Commander Maddox, I have been continuing my experiments with artwork. This week I completed a diptych which I have entitled Daughter (see attached image). I consider it one of my most successful pieces so far and I wish to gift it to one of my friends, but I have yet to decide if it would be more appreciated by Captain Picard or Dr. Crusher."
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Dear Mr. Data This sucks rear end, let me disassemble you already for gently caress's sake
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Grand Fromage posted:I've been thinking this for ages. Nobody wants a screen with the background visible like that! Good lord that would be distracting. Taking it a next step, they have all these gestures that are used to control things by vaguely putting your fingers in an area and moving or swiping... but honestly, if they had, say, a 3D projection of a ship you were examining and Star Trek solid hologram tech, the best and most intuitive way to let you rotate the ship would be to just have it floating in the air in front of you like a solid physical object, and if you want to rotate it, you just physically reach out and grab it and turn it to look at what you want as if it was a model hanging there on a piece of string. (Hell, you actually could film it as a model hanging there on a piece of string and remove the string in post. Use FX to have it flicker into existence at the start of the shot and then the character just picks it up and pokes at it) All these modern computer gestures and touch-taps and waves and swipes are just metaphors we use to make up for the fact that we can't just have the real physical interaction that we're hardwired to understand best, but with Trek-style tech, they totally can. Obviously there still needs to be abstraction with interfaces that don't represent physical objects but rather computer systems and menus, but if you have the ability to project seemingly solid objects at whim, your interfaces should be very based around that technology. There should be actual 3D buttons and dials and etcetera you can press or move around. But yeah, at this point I'd settled for there being an actual projected screen with a black background. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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From: Cdr. Maddox Time: 23:01 heyyyy wyd? just got off work and slipped off my unitard, relaxin in my boxers From: Cdr. Maddox Time: 23:02 lol take off your scalp and send positronic net pics. From: Cdr. Maddox Time: 23:03 j/k lol From: Cdr. Maddox Time: 23:03 ...unless?
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Rhyno posted:Maddox might have found enough of Data's positrons to reconstitute him already. I've been wondering about another possibility after rewatching The Offspring: since Data downloaded Lal's memories into himself at the end of that episode, what if that's what survived B-4's failure, rather than Data himself? Maddox could've realized what he had was more Lal than Data and designed his androids accordingly. I also like the idea that whatever "essence" of Data can be recovered isn't going to become literally Data in another body but more of a second generation personality using something of Data as a foundation. Maybe a little like how joined Trill are their own persons and not just the symbiont speaking with a different voice.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I think they also said Mike worried conventionally delivering the copy as a bog-standard review in his natural speaking voice would be "boring." The voice also went a long way in taking all the wind out of anyone commenting with insults focused on attacking him as a person and the notion of person analyzing itself instead of any of the critiques.
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Owlbear Camus posted:From: Cdr. Maddox From: Cdr. Data Commander Maddox. I must reiterate my request that you stop sending me this picture of a wrench.
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Owlbear Camus posted:From: Cdr. Maddox Yeah, without fail every piece of media made before 2000 about the future had videophones in it, like that was a given. Now we all have video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses it except grandparents. The black President thing did happen though.
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zoux posted:Yeah, without fail every piece of media made before 2000 about the future had videophones in it, like that was a given. Now we all have video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses it except grandparents. The black President thing did happen though. And we nearly had them in the 60s, but customers when questioned answered that while they would like to see the other person, would not want to be seen themselves.
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zoux posted:video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses IG selfies+stories.
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zoux posted:Yeah, without fail every piece of media made before 2000 about the future had videophones in it, like that was a given. Now we all have video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses it except grandparents. The black President thing did happen though. Grandparents... and the very horney. They hit the nail on the head with the principle use of the Holodeck with episodes like Minuette, even if they had to dial it way back for a Sunday evening family adventure show. It flew over my head watching the episode as a kid but rewatching that episode where the perfect waifu is being ferried as a peace offering between warring factions and she charms the heck out of senior staff upon meeting them, and as soon as she's gone Riker says "I'll be in holodeck 3 if anyone needs me."  I expect if you didn't restrict content, recreational holodeck use would be like 3% genre adventures (detective, cowboy, knight, etc.), 22% just total power fantasy like Worf beating up skeleton monsters or like a program where you're a kaiju just wrecking a city or a superhero, and 75% content that would make Larry Flynt blush.
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Owlbear Camus posted:
MMOdeck.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I expect if you didn't restrict content, recreational holodeck use would be like 3% genre adventures (detective, cowboy, knight, etc.), 22% just total power fantasy like Worf beating up skeleton monsters or like a program where you're a kaiju just wrecking a city or a superhero, and 75% content that would make Larry Flynt blush. Hell, why separate the three
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Orville knocked it out of the park with their two episodes about holodecks: - strange fetish porn fantasies, to the point of almost ruining a marriage - lonely guy literally falls in love with a holodeck simulation of someone from hundreds of years ago
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zoux posted:Yeah, without fail every piece of media made before 2000 about the future had videophones in it, like that was a given. Now we all have video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses it except grandparents. Owlbear Camus posted:Grandparents... and the very horney. And, you know, business meetings that have someone videoconferencing in. Hell, I'll be doing that for two meetings this afternoon.
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Star Trek being written by lonely nerds got it right when they had a lonely nerd turn a brainstorming exercise into a weird sex thing. Then continued getting it right where the real woman showed up, saw his creepy sex thing and yelled at him. But they should have gotten a normal human to write the conclusion where she just leaves him blocked forever, and doesn't unblock him and then actually marry the guy that probably holoraped a facsimile of her.
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skasion posted:Hell, why separate the three Defeat the Dragon, rescue the princess. And her five identical twins.
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MikeJF posted:Defeat the Dragon, rescue the princess. And her five identical twins. So your order is The Dragon, The Princess and her 5 identical twins prince's. Simulation is ready.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Computer, create an androgynous vers switch capable of satiating Commander Riker. Unable to comply. Configuration locked out due to dangers of ship sentience.
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Cojawfee posted:Star Trek being written by lonely nerds got it right when they had a lonely nerd turn a brainstorming exercise into a weird sex thing. Then continued getting it right where the real woman showed up, saw his creepy sex thing and yelled at him. But they should have gotten a normal human to write the conclusion where she just leaves him blocked forever, and doesn't unblock him and then actually marry the guy that probably holoraped a facsimile of her. Turns out Geordi was actually the least weird with a hologram of her out of all the men and women she's worked with or met socially.
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CPColin posted:They should have had Hallie Todd play Dahj's mother. Did she play Rofl in TNG? Brawnfire posted:Turns out Geordi was actually the least weird with a hologram of her out of all the men and women she's worked with or met socially. If you're a woman in the 24th century I guess that's just a problem you have to deal with
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zoux posted:Did she play Rofl in TNG? Honestly it's just refreshing not to receive replay files in your inbox, for once
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Have to say, I hate that the Discovery thread was merged with the rest. I have 1000 unread posts in this thread already, this sucks. The Discovery thread was slow enough that I never missed a post, and it was predictably slow when no episodes were coming out. I much preferred it this way, and I don't know why the old thread had to be closed when we could have just waited until season 3 of Discovery aired. Now this is very similar to the general Star Trek thread, with far too much traffic for me to follow. I'm also pretty sure this will turn very bad when the new Discovery episodes get released, with most of the Picard fans trashing Disco as "not real Star Trek". I liked that the Disco thread was much more positive towards the show than the relentless negativity it got hit with in the general Star Trek thread. I like the show, as flawed as it is, and even though we all had a lot to critique after nearly every episode, it was mostly in a constructive spirit. Judging by the reaction Picard gets ("finally real Star Trek again!"), I fear this place will not be welcoming to fans of Discovery.
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Torrannor posted:I'm also pretty sure this will turn very bad when the new Discovery episodes get released, with most of the Picard fans trashing Disco as "not real Star Trek". Just you wait until the S31 show comes out.
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Owlbear Camus posted:The "section 31 show" should have been a Short Trek where Picard gives a patented stern lecture on space morality to the dipshit spymaster in charge and has the whole operation shut down. I'd watch a mirror Georgiu vs Picard debate episode.
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Torrannor posted:Have to say, I hate that the Discovery thread was merged with the rest. I have 1000 unread posts in this thread already, this sucks. The Discovery thread was slow enough that I never missed a post, and it was predictably slow when no episodes were coming out. I much preferred it this way, and I don't know why the old thread had to be closed when we could have just waited until season 3 of Discovery aired. I agree. I understand not wanting to have 47 different Trek threads, but they are different shows. There's going to be a lot of overlap between the viewerships, but it's not 100%. This is already the de facto Picard thread, so I think we should officially make it so, and reopen the Disco thread and make new ones for the new shows when they arrive.
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If Discovery is Doctor Who then Section 31 is pretty much Torchwood and will probably suffer the same fate. Even if it's somehow good, the appeal of a Star Trek spy series feels so limited it's hard to imagine it performing very well. I suppose it could be vaguely interesting if they widened the scope to include all the other spy poo poo with the Tal Shiar and the Obsidian Order and the less shady Starfleet Intelligence but chances are it'll just be Michelle Yeoh and a bunch of dudes in leather grimacing at things for ten episodes. Ash Tyler won't help anything either.
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Powered Descent posted:I agree. I understand not wanting to have 47 different Trek threads, but they are different shows. There's going to be a lot of overlap between the viewerships, but it's not 100%. Showtimes won't overlap so we can have it like this way. Picard ends Disco starts. Rhyno posted:She'd just give up and try stabbing. Call me a sadist but in tribunal way. Georgiu under tribunal. Would be nice to see Picard on the giving side of a proper interrogation.
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Rhyno posted:She'd just give up and try stabbing. The Klingon and Andorian judges present nod approvingly. The Tellarite is displeased the argument ended so soon, but must admit the tactic worked. She wins by majority vote while the Human judge whines about decorum.
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Torrannor posted:Have to say, I hate that the Discovery thread was merged with the rest. I have 1000 unread posts in this thread already, this sucks. The Discovery thread was slow enough that I never missed a post, and it was predictably slow when no episodes were coming out. I much preferred it this way, and I don't know why the old thread had to be closed when we could have just waited until season 3 of Discovery aired. Now this is very similar to the general Star Trek thread, with far too much traffic for me to follow. Dearest Margaret, Today I passed the Picardians in the thoroughfare, and once again suffered their jeers. Although I endured with a quiet resolve I hope would make you proud, I fear they will soon be moved to thuggery. I dare not bring you to such a place, lest I be forced to see your admiration falter when they make good on their threats to encase me in my own steamer trunk. Your beloved, Charles.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Showtimes won't overlap so we can have it like this way. Picard ends Disco starts.
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