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Real Cool Catfish
Jun 6, 2011

Thanks!

No cases in Mongolia yet. There is a lot of open space.

Quietly biding its time before the horse lords once again unite and take down China at its most vulnerable.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

If your medicine cabinet isn't stocked, you should do that. Whether you catch a flu, or not, you should have some stuff at home.

You don't want to wait until crisis hits to run to the store for your nyquil or whatever.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Sten Freak posted:

Video taken from inside a Wuhan hospital showing 3 bodies covered in the hallway.

https://twitter.com/Tominmedill/status/1220627305728368640

imagine how much fun it is to be one of the people sitting there for hours or even days, in a small mask as people in full protection shuffle around and dead bodies start to accumulate

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Luckyellow posted:

I'm starting to legit worry about this stuff now.

If there is one government you can trust, its China. There has never been a false reporting scandal from there. No sir-e-bob.

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
How do we convince rich white people they're gonna get HIV, we should really have a vaccine by now

Can we convince them they'll get it from their blood transfusions from young people they think keeps them from aging

Sushi The Kid
Sep 10, 2005
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Back in December of 2013 I had a form of the Coronavirus, may have been MERS-CoV. I felt like I just had a cold about the first 5-7 days, then I just really felt bad. I worked for a couple days, came home and hit the bed. On like day 3 of bed rest, I could feel the life leaving me. Told my WIFE "Ok, let's go to the hospital". I was there about 20 minutes, when the doctor said, we don't have the equipment of the staff to treat you here. We have a ambulance standing by, you are going straight to the University hospital.

The hospital ride was quiet and calm. The two ambulance workers didn't say a word to me, didn't get in the back with me, didn't even look at me. Last thing I remember was a nurse/doctor saying "Sushi, we are going to have to incubate you ok?" Sure sure whatever. I woke up 14 days later to my wife saying "cough baby" and the nurse pulling the tubes out of my lungs.

Best vacation ever. Got some much needed rest, even lost a couple of pounds and I had sparkling clean lungs again!

Only downside was that my Sp02 went down to brain damaging levels, and some of my organs started shutting down and I flat lined like twice. I can't remember anything from 2013 at all except going in and coming out of the hospital. A good chunk of 2014 is a blur, I sometimes can't remember people I see every day names right at first. Takes a couple of minutes.

So yeah, coronavirus isn't nothing to gently caress wit.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Mozi posted:

imagine how much fun it is to be one of the people sitting there for hours or even days, in a small mask as people in full protection shuffle around and dead bodies start to accumulate

Won't have to imagine soon enough

Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


They have a vaccine but everyone will be dead before it's approved https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...obox=1580226566

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Why aren't we seeing dead people in India, is it because a few dozen dead untouchables isn't a noteworthy event ?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Private Cumshoe posted:

How do we convince rich white people they're gonna get HIV, we should really have a vaccine by now

Can we convince them they'll get it from their blood transfusions from young people they think keeps them from aging

HIV is a whole other can of worms because of how it mutates and also the way it fucks up your immune system. The fact no one’s immune system has fought it off is yet another hurdle. There’s pre-exposure prophylaxis now at least, which is a step in the right direction but obviously not as good as a vaccine.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Ugly In The Morning posted:

HIV is a whole other can of worms because of how it mutates and also the way it fucks up your immune system. The fact no one’s immune system has fought it off is yet another hurdle. There’s pre-exposure prophylaxis now at least, which is a step in the right direction but obviously not as good as a vaccine.

Some fraction of the population are mutants who are immune to hiv.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Spazzle posted:

Some fraction of the population are mutants who are immune to hiv.

That’s a weird genetic quirk of their immune system, and not something you can really make a vaccine out of. There’s a specific receptor that’s not on some cells and it means the virus can’t replicate properly.

Vaccines require provoking an immune response. In these people their immune system doesn’t even really notice that HIV is there.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Sushi The Kid posted:

Back in December of 2013 I had a form of the Coronavirus, may have been MERS-CoV. I felt like I just had a cold about the first 5-7 days, then I just really felt bad. I worked for a couple days, came home and hit the bed. On like day 3 of bed rest, I could feel the life leaving me. Told my WIFE "Ok, let's go to the hospital". I was there about 20 minutes, when the doctor said, we don't have the equipment of the staff to treat you here. We have a ambulance standing by, you are going straight to the University hospital.

The hospital ride was quiet and calm. The two ambulance workers didn't say a word to me, didn't get in the back with me, didn't even look at me. Last thing I remember was a nurse/doctor saying "Sushi, we are going to have to incubate you ok?" Sure sure whatever. I woke up 14 days later to my wife saying "cough baby" and the nurse pulling the tubes out of my lungs.

Best vacation ever. Got some much needed rest, even lost a couple of pounds and I had sparkling clean lungs again!

Only downside was that my Sp02 went down to brain damaging levels, and some of my organs started shutting down and I flat lined like twice. I can't remember anything from 2013 at all except going in and coming out of the hospital. A good chunk of 2014 is a blur, I sometimes can't remember people I see every day names right at first. Takes a couple of minutes.

So yeah, coronavirus isn't nothing to gently caress wit.

:allbuttons:

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS


frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


Sushi The Kid posted:

Back in December of 2013 I had a form of the Coronavirus, may have been MERS-CoV. I felt like I just had a cold about the first 5-7 days, then I just really felt bad. I worked for a couple days, came home and hit the bed. On like day 3 of bed rest, I could feel the life leaving me. Told my WIFE "Ok, let's go to the hospital". I was there about 20 minutes, when the doctor said, we don't have the equipment of the staff to treat you here. We have a ambulance standing by, you are going straight to the University hospital.

The hospital ride was quiet and calm. The two ambulance workers didn't say a word to me, didn't get in the back with me, didn't even look at me. Last thing I remember was a nurse/doctor saying "Sushi, we are going to have to incubate you ok?" Sure sure whatever. I woke up 14 days later to my wife saying "cough baby" and the nurse pulling the tubes out of my lungs.

Best vacation ever. Got some much needed rest, even lost a couple of pounds and I had sparkling clean lungs again!

Only downside was that my Sp02 went down to brain damaging levels, and some of my organs started shutting down and I flat lined like twice. I can't remember anything from 2013 at all except going in and coming out of the hospital. A good chunk of 2014 is a blur, I sometimes can't remember people I see every day names right at first. Takes a couple of minutes.

So yeah, coronavirus isn't nothing to gently caress wit.

:stonk:

Pitdragon
Jan 20, 2004
Just another lurker
is the sky falling yet?

mitztronic
Jun 17, 2005

mixcloud.com/mitztronic

spacetoaster posted:

If your medicine cabinet isn't stocked, you should do that. Whether you catch a flu, or not, you should have some stuff at home.

You don't want to wait until crisis hits to run to the store for your nyquil or whatever.

Speaking generally NyQuil and other “symptom treaters” increase the amount of time you are sick. This is because millions of years of evolution created our immune system to be actually quite amazing, and entirely self sufficient in most cases. By adding in modern creations that reduce symptoms, you are interfering with your bodies’ ability to fight off whatever the infection is.

This is especially true for fever reducing drugs like Tylenol. You should only use those to drop you fever if it’s at a severe and dangerous level, otherwise you’re just giving the virus a safer place to live and it will last longer.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice

Sushi The Kid posted:

Back in December of 2013 I had a form of the Coronavirus, may have been MERS-CoV. I felt like I just had a cold about the first 5-7 days, then I just really felt bad. I worked for a couple days, came home and hit the bed. On like day 3 of bed rest, I could feel the life leaving me. Told my WIFE "Ok, let's go to the hospital". I was there about 20 minutes, when the doctor said, we don't have the equipment of the staff to treat you here. We have a ambulance standing by, you are going straight to the University hospital.

The hospital ride was quiet and calm. The two ambulance workers didn't say a word to me, didn't get in the back with me, didn't even look at me. Last thing I remember was a nurse/doctor saying "Sushi, we are going to have to incubate you ok?" Sure sure whatever. I woke up 14 days later to my wife saying "cough baby" and the nurse pulling the tubes out of my lungs.

Best vacation ever. Got some much needed rest, even lost a couple of pounds and I had sparkling clean lungs again!

Only downside was that my Sp02 went down to brain damaging levels, and some of my organs started shutting down and I flat lined like twice. I can't remember anything from 2013 at all except going in and coming out of the hospital. A good chunk of 2014 is a blur, I sometimes can't remember people I see every day names right at first. Takes a couple of minutes.

So yeah, coronavirus isn't nothing to gently caress wit.
This paints a good picture of what the severe cases might look like.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Pitdragon posted:

is the sky falling yet?

God I hope so

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

Sushi The Kid posted:

Back in December of 2013 I had a form of the Coronavirus, may have been MERS-CoV. I felt like I just had a cold about the first 5-7 days, then I just really felt bad. I worked for a couple days, came home and hit the bed. On like day 3 of bed rest, I could feel the life leaving me. Told my WIFE "Ok, let's go to the hospital". I was there about 20 minutes, when the doctor said, we don't have the equipment of the staff to treat you here. We have a ambulance standing by, you are going straight to the University hospital.

The hospital ride was quiet and calm. The two ambulance workers didn't say a word to me, didn't get in the back with me, didn't even look at me. Last thing I remember was a nurse/doctor saying "Sushi, we are going to have to incubate you ok?" Sure sure whatever. I woke up 14 days later to my wife saying "cough baby" and the nurse pulling the tubes out of my lungs.

Best vacation ever. Got some much needed rest, even lost a couple of pounds and I had sparkling clean lungs again!

Only downside was that my Sp02 went down to brain damaging levels, and some of my organs started shutting down and I flat lined like twice. I can't remember anything from 2013 at all except going in and coming out of the hospital. A good chunk of 2014 is a blur, I sometimes can't remember people I see every day names right at first. Takes a couple of minutes.

So yeah, coronavirus isn't nothing to gently caress wit.

I'm a physician so I was skeptical when I started reading your story and then I was like "oh, no, this dude definitely actually had one of these severe viral pneumonias!"

Because the thing is you other posters who think it's like a flu you got when you were a kid - you're dead wrong.

These severe viruses get your body to attack itself, shutting down your lungs from the inside. And the loving flu actually has medication you can take. SARS/MERS/nCoV do not.

Imagine a city of 11M with only 1% of the population actively infected. Imagine that of those 110,000 infected you've got - a low estimate - only 10% in critical condition, requiring ICU care and intubation.

HOW THE gently caress DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 11,000 PATIENTS ON VENTILATORS IN WUHAN, OR BEIJING, OR SHANGHAI (or any other tier one city!)?

Here's some loving perspective - in the entire United States there are maybe 100,000 ICU beds. There isn't a ventilator for every ICU bed, certainly, but let's pretend there are. And many of those already occupied by patients who need them for a very long time! So in the richest country in the history of humanity - a country of 300M people - you've got the capacity for 100,000 seriously infected NCOV patients. (This covers 0.03% of the population).

In CHINA there are MAYBE 100,000 beds ASSUMING that the number has DOUBLED in the past 10 years. For a country of 1.4B. India has 70,000. They're 1.4B people as well!

If this keeps making people as sick as it's making people, and keeps infecting people the way it's infecting people, all the slack in the line for the entire world is going to be gone in weeks.

EAT FASTER!!!!!! fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 28, 2020

CassandraZara
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

HOW THE gently caress DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 11,000 PATIENTS ON VENTILATORS IN WUHAN, OR BEIJING, OR SHANGHAI (or any other tier one city!)?

I didn't know Doctor Finkle-Dink had an account here

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
Isn't there an RCT for SARS where lopinavir/ritonavir reduced ARDS by like 10x? That's why the Chinese are recommending it

E: there's 90k ICUs in the US and 50k in all of China

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I'm a physician so I was skeptical when I started reading your story and then I was like "oh, no, this dude definitely actually had one of these severe viral pneumonias!"

Because the thing is you other posters who think it's like a flu you got when you were a kid - you're dead wrong.

These severe viruses get your body to attack itself, shutting down your lungs from the inside. And the loving flu actually has medication you can take. SARS/MERS/nCoV do not.

Imagine a city of 11M with only 1% of the population actively infected. Imagine that of those 110,000 infected you've got - a low estimate - only 10% in critical condition, requiring ICU care and intubation.

HOW THE gently caress DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 11,000 PATIENTS ON VENTILATORS IN WUHAN, OR BEIJING, OR SHANGHAI (or any other tier one city!)?

Here's some loving perspective - in the entire United States there are maybe 100,000 ICU beds. There isn't a ventilator for every ICU bed, certainly, but let's pretend there are. And many of those already occupied by patients who need them for a very long time! So in the richest country in the history of humanity - a country of 300M people - you've got the capacity for 100,000 seriously infected NCOV patients. (This covers 0.03% of the population).

In CHINA there are MAYBE 100,000 beds ASSUMING that the number has DOUBLED in the past 10 years. For a country of 1.4B. India has 70,000. They're 1.4B people as well!

If this keeps making people as sick as it's making people, and keeps infecting people the way it's infecting people, all the slack in the line for the entire world is going to be gone in weeks.

I keep trying to explain the math to people and they just parrot the "80,000 dead from the flu" line and it's infuriating me to no end.

Sushi The Kid
Sep 10, 2005
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I'm a physician so I was skeptical when I started reading your story and then I was like "oh, no, this dude definitely actually had one of these severe viral pneumonias!"

Because the thing is you other posters who think it's like a flu you got when you were a kid - you're dead wrong.

These severe viruses get your body to attack itself, shutting down your lungs from the inside. And the loving flu actually has medication you can take. SARS/MERS/nCoV do not.

Imagine a city of 11M with only 1% of the population actively infected. Imagine that of those 110,000 infected you've got - a low estimate - only 10% in critical condition, requiring ICU care and intubation.

HOW THE gently caress DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 11,000 PATIENTS ON VENTILATORS IN WUHAN, OR BEIJING, OR SHANGHAI (or any other tier one city!)?

Here's some loving perspective - in the entire United States there are maybe 100,000 ICU beds. There isn't a ventilator for every ICU bed, certainly, but let's pretend there are. And many of those already occupied by patients who need them for a very long time! So in the richest country in the history of humanity - a country of 300M people - you've got the capacity for 100,000 seriously infected NCOV patients. (This covers 0.03% of the population).

In CHINA there are MAYBE 100,000 beds ASSUMING that the number has DOUBLED in the past 10 years. For a country of 1.4B. India has 70,000. They're 1.4B people as well!

If this keeps making people as sick as it's making people, and keeps infecting people the way it's infecting people, all the slack in the line for the entire world is going to be gone in weeks.

This was a small outbreak too. There were if I remember correctly like 10 to 15 other people in the ICU with me with the same thing. Most of us were mid 30's to late 40's that I can remember. I do know there was a guy, same age as me (35ish) that was still in ICU when I was discharged, came in the same day as I did. I was told a couple of those people didn't make it. Real scary stuff. Shout out to the fine staff at UMMC. Except that one nurse who got pissed at me for making GBS threads myself and not helping her out when she changed my diaper. Bitch I just woke up like 15 minutes ago from a 14 day coma. Cut me some slack.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
As long as it kills boomers, I'm cool with it

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Isn't there an RCT for SARS where lopinavir/ritonavir reduced ARDS by like 10x? That's why the Chinese are recommending it

E: there's 90k ICUs in the US and 50k in all of China

The last number I could find was 50K in 2010 that's why I said "if you assume it's doubled" because knowing China, it might very well have.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
It's not an RCT it's a historical dealio thing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14985565/

Ribavarin also "helps", lol

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 28, 2020

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
So yeah, the pop-up treatment centers I'm guessing are going to have a mass grave or two

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

bob dobbs is dead posted:

It's not an RCT it's a historical dealio thing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14985565/

This is cool.

just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

Iron Crowned posted:

BOO! I want this pandemic to wreck the boomer populations

Iron Crowned posted:

As long as it kills boomers, I'm cool with it

But what is your stance on it killing boomers?

Pitdragon
Jan 20, 2004
Just another lurker

Colonel Cancer posted:

God I hope so

i know, but its hard to get my hopes up these days. i've been burned by too many supposedly catastrophic viruses being played up by a media that wants you in a state of perpetual fear because its profitable. i still vividly remember the old ebola thread boldly proclaiming that we were all going to die and the panic contained within...

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Iron Crowned posted:

As long as it kills boomers, I'm cool with it

Nah its going to be kids and the elderly. Get excited!

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

coronavirus posted:

Nah its going to be kids and the elderly. Get excited!

Boomers are elderly :ssh:

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Iron Crowned posted:

As long as it kills boomers, I'm cool with it

same but millennials

HugeGrossBurrito
Mar 20, 2018
Personally I’d rather people not die

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

Personally I’d rather people not die

death is certain

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
It’s going to kill all kinds of people.

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Iron Crowned posted:

Boomers are elderly :ssh:

55 to 73 ain't even that old. Unless you are super fat or something else.

I know plenty of people that old I wouldn't call 'elderly' on the account of they would start whooping yer rear end.

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug

coronavirus posted:

55 to 73 ain't even that old. Unless you are super fat or something else.

I know plenty of people that old I wouldn't call 'elderly' on the account of they would start whooping yer rear end.

Don't be a quitter. I have complete faith in you. You can do it and take them out!

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

First suspected case in Denmark, a man with symptoms returning from Wuhan on Sunday.

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