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Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007

Jerusalem posted:

Mean Streets is really, really good and it always blows me away that it was so early in his career.

Agreed with The Aviator being weirdly overlooked, it's great and is the film DiCaprio should have won an Oscar for.

Dicaprio went on an absolute tear at one point and did Gangs Of New York, Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator and The Departed one after another all within a 4 year span - four of my favorite movies. He could have won for any of those but as we all know that's kind of the story of his career until he finally got one.

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Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Jerusalem posted:

I know it's the "easy" answer, but I can't look past Goodfellas. It is absolutely loving incredible from start to finish, just a masterpiece.

After some deliberation I'd have to say it's probably my favorite Scorsese film too (although I love Mean Streets, and Raging Bull, and Casino, and Taxi Driver, and...). I love the fact that Scorsese decided the movie would just be edited like it was a feature-length trailer, which is why it's such an adrenaline rush of a movie.

E: Mean Streets is loving amazing, though. For me, it's a hair's breadth away from being tied with Goodfellas as my favorite Scorsese film.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

If they ever make a Dark Knight Returns movie I've determined I want Pacino as Old Joker.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

NienNunb posted:

If they ever make a Dark Knight Returns movie I've determined I want Pacino as Old Joker.

I assume you mean a Live Action film, cause they did a rather good animated adaptation a couple years ago that had perfect casting for basically everyone, especially Joker

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

Cartoons are crass, a lower art form. Down their with organ grinders.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

yeah its funny that WB animated has been killing the superhero movie stuff while their live action studio struggles to get good movies to theater.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



coconono posted:

yeah its funny that WB animated has been killing the superhero movie stuff while their live action studio struggles to get good movies to theater.
I mean Snyder is really, really bad and his stink was on years of movies. (Whedon is also bad)

I am weirdly interested in how the Quinn movie will play out. I absolutely loathe Harley Quinn past the animated series but I dunno, it looks like it might be more Aquaman fun and less Suicide Squad dreary dogshit? I don't watch non-Doom Eternal trailers anymore though so maybe I'll go in and it'll crap on my face.

I'm seeing it for free on a time sensitive coupon anyway...

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Harley Quinn's a good animated series that does some pretty close to the knuckle humor. I enjoy the gently caress out of it.

Also the animated version of Batman's HUSH is way better than the comic version.

The Birds of Prey film looks great, so does the Wonder Woman sequel. But I'm pretty much down for whatever as long as they stop doing terrible poo poo like Suicide Squad. I liked the batman stuff, but the superman stuff was pretty terrible. So yeah, make me some good live action movies you bastards.

Captain Magic
Apr 4, 2005

Yes, we have feathers--but the muscles of men.
Man of Steel is really terrific imo.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

The best DC adaptation I've possibly ever seen is their Doom Patrol show. Felt completely lifted off the pages of the Grant Morrison run. I mean, they loving nailed Danny The Living Genderqueer Street to a tee, that takes something special.

Plus the big climax from the finale: https://youtu.be/KBYp_cIzHFE

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

coconono posted:

Harley Quinn's a good animated series that does some pretty close to the knuckle humor. I enjoy the gently caress out of it.

Also the animated version of Batman's HUSH is way better than the comic version.

The Birds of Prey film looks great, so does the Wonder Woman sequel. But I'm pretty much down for whatever as long as they stop doing terrible poo poo like Suicide Squad. I liked the batman stuff, but the superman stuff was pretty terrible. So yeah, make me some good live action movies you bastards.

Haven't watched animated Harley yet. I should get on that huh?

Also I liked Hush a lot but the twist they put in the movie version was awful, IMHO.

This is the last time I'll rant about this today, I promise. But if my mom tells me one more God forsaken time that I should look at a situation where I'm working AT COST TO ME as an "opportunity for networking or to expand my resume" I'm going to lose my mind. I'm not a college kid anymore. I've been in the game and paying dues over 15 years. loving Boomer rear end bullshit.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

NienNunb posted:

The best DC adaptation I've possibly ever seen is their Doom Patrol show. Felt completely lifted off the pages of the Grant Morrison run. I mean, they loving nailed Danny The Living Genderqueer Street to a tee, that takes something special.

Plus the big climax from the finale: https://youtu.be/KBYp_cIzHFE

Doom Patrol was great and I'm excited for more. Really DC Universe is cool and good in general imo.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

NienNunb posted:

The best DC adaptation I've possibly ever seen is their Doom Patrol show. Felt completely lifted off the pages of the Grant Morrison run. I mean, they loving nailed Danny The Living Genderqueer Street to a tee, that takes something special.

Plus the big climax from the finale: https://youtu.be/KBYp_cIzHFE

oh hell yeah, the Doom Patrol show should win awards and poo poo.

Titans however manages to be both terrible and great at the same time.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

coconono posted:

oh hell yeah, the Doom Patrol show should win awards and poo poo.

Titans however manages to be both terrible and great at the same time.

Yeah. Titans I enjoy pretty similarly to how I enjoy wrestling. Like I know it's kinda terrible and at times trashy but drat does it ever manage to scratch a certain entertainment itch for me.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


I adore the Harley Quinn show

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



NienNunb posted:

The best DC adaptation I've possibly ever seen is their Doom Patrol show. Felt completely lifted off the pages of the Grant Morrison run. I mean, they loving nailed Danny The Living Genderqueer Street to a tee, that takes something special.
Oh yeah, that poo poo super owned. I'm a G-Mo fan but not familiar with Doom Patrol and that said character both existed and was done well blew my mind.

I also thought the stuff with Larry Trainor was super neat. Also the scene on the ice lake got me to pop. You know the one. I hate when characters are being coerced into doing something they hate and they don't just go "no, gently caress that". And he did!

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Haven't watched animated Harley yet. I should get on that huh?

Also I liked Hush a lot but the twist they put in the movie version was awful, IMHO.
What was the twist? I read the original when it was coming out and thought it was absolute dredge.

Also Foochs I don't think anyone here is upset if you rant.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

Spiderdrake posted:

Oh yeah, that poo poo super owned. I'm a G-Mo fan but not familiar with Doom Patrol and that said character both existed and was done well blew my mind.

I also thought the stuff with Larry Trainor was super neat. Also the scene on the ice lake got me to pop. You know the one. I hate when characters are being coerced into doing something they hate and they don't just go "no, gently caress that". And he did!
What was the twist? I read the original when it was coming out and thought it was absolute dredge.



I can't recommend Morrison's Doom Patrol anywhere near enough. I've got a complicated relationship with Grant Morrison in that when he's on he's among the best of his generation but when left to his shittier instincts he can really drag (all of this is detailed in mine and IBeforeE's Vertigo Comics podcast Mature Listeners). But Doom Patrol is his gold standard. 80s mature DC then eventually Vertigo was a beautiful mess of a time.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Spiderdrake posted:

Oh yeah, that poo poo super owned. I'm a G-Mo fan but not familiar with Doom Patrol and that said character both existed and was done well blew my mind.

I also thought the stuff with Larry Trainor was super neat. Also the scene on the ice lake got me to pop. You know the one. I hate when characters are being coerced into doing something they hate and they don't just go "no, gently caress that". And he did!
What was the twist? I read the original when it was coming out and thought it was absolute dredge.

Also Foochs I don't think anyone here is upset if you rant.

Hush is Ed Nygma somehow. There's no loving explanation as to how or why he can all of a sudden whoop Batman's rear end or anything like that or even a particularly good reason that he chose to change his identity to Hush other than just arbitrarily loving with Batman which I know is kinda a Riddler thing but in the context of the two tellings side by side it feels so loving random. Like, the problem is the original Hush character was at the very least given an origin story that, if I remember right, explains his abilities. Other than the genius level intellect the OG Hush and Nygma share though, I don't remember any other commonalities in their skillset.

I thought the film itself was EXCELLENT but that particular twist was just a hard pass from me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

My absolute favorite Riddler story is probably the one where he figures out that Batman is Bruce Wayne. He gets captured and he's sitting in an interrogation room and he's just so loving smug because he knows he has FINALLY got one up on Batman after all these years. Batman arrives and he's laying out all these conditions that Batman MUST follow for Riddler to keep his secret, loving just lording it up, and Batman is just standing there staring as he goes ham. Finally after he's laid out all his rules and terms etc, Batman simply says,"Riddle me this, what good is a riddle that everybody knows the answer to?" and Nygma's face just loving collapses as he realizes that Batman knows him too well and knows for a fact he'd never be able to give away a secret that only he knows. It's... perfect.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



That's kind of a half twist from the original, Foochs, since he was in on the plan with the actual Hush

Jerusalem posted:

My absolute favorite Riddler story is probably the one where he figures out that Batman is Bruce Wayne.
You are literally talking about Hush

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

Hush was when I realized Tim Sale is the one who keeps Jeph Loeb's brain worms at bay.

Superman For All Season/Batman Long Halloween are the best poo poo in the world

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Spiderdrake posted:

That's kind of a half twist from the original, Foochs, since he was in on the plan with the actual Hush
You are literally talking about Hush

Yeah but seriously has he ever been able to physically whoop Batman's rear end in a straight up fight? Am I missing something?

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Funny that the discussion turned to Batman because I just got Arkham Asylum from the library. I've seen plenty of stuff about the Arkham games but never played any of them personally before, am digging it a few hours in.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



SamuraiFoochs posted:

Yeah but seriously has he ever been able to physically whoop Batman's rear end in a straight up fight? Am I missing something?
I mean you could probably find an example in the thousands of comics but it's more likely they flipped the script in production and never corrected the error. Like the original has Riddler, iirc, being sort of the brains of the operation so maybe they just lifted some scenes without making sense of it.

The original Hush was basically shonen style cliffhangers + a bunch of pandering cameos if I'm remembering right.

I want to go back and read it because I'm almost certain J-Ru is remembering a better comic than the one that actually exists but I'm not sure if it's archived on the old machine aaaaggggggh computers

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006

comic books make me puke lol. i'm glad people like them though

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Please do not puke onto other people's comic books that would be very rude

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Spiderdrake posted:

You are literally talking about Hush

Ah wow, I somehow separated the two stories entirely in my head, haha.

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


Comic books chat, I just finished reading the Tom King run on Mister Miracle and... whoof.

Like, it's brilliant, and funny, and oddly life affirming for something with some really dark corners, but it really gets into how depression and poor mental health and mood feel, in a visceral way.

I very much recommend it, but have something entirely fluffy prepared as a chaser.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Jerusalem posted:

My absolute favorite Riddler story is probably the one where he figures out that Batman is Bruce Wayne. He gets captured and he's sitting in an interrogation room and he's just so loving smug because he knows he has FINALLY got one up on Batman after all these years. Batman arrives and he's laying out all these conditions that Batman MUST follow for Riddler to keep his secret, loving just lording it up, and Batman is just standing there staring as he goes ham. Finally after he's laid out all his rules and terms etc, Batman simply says,"Riddle me this, what good is a riddle that everybody knows the answer to?" and Nygma's face just loving collapses as he realizes that Batman knows him too well and knows for a fact he'd never be able to give away a secret that only he knows. It's... perfect.



Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

While it's still good, I have completely different art and scene structure in my memory. It's entirely possible I just wildly extrapolated from the page in my own memory and now THAT is what I remember instead of the page itself.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
The real best Riddler story is Dark Knight, Dark City

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
The best Riddler portrayal is from Arkham City.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Remember when Jim Carrey was the Riddler and the whole storyline was basically “what if mark zuckerberg”

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

jesus WEP posted:

Remember when Jim Carrey was the Riddler and the whole storyline was basically “what if mark zuckerberg”

Also Jim Carrey got confused on who the Riddler was and decided to be The Joker instead.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

Mekchu posted:

Also Jim Carrey got confused on who the Riddler was and decided to be The Joker instead.

This but Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

I will always push people towards the Telltale Batman seasons 1 and 2 as being some of the best Batman lore out there. It has some great takes on the establishment that really makes it feel fresh.


Also John Doe is my favorite character from any Telltale game and his story arc is so satisfying one way or another.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Seams posted:

This but Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face


Tommy Lee Jones told Carrey "I cannot sanction your buffoonery" during the making of that film :laugh:

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Hush is Ed Nygma somehow. There's no loving explanation as to how or why he can all of a sudden whoop Batman's rear end or anything like that or even a particularly good reason that he chose to change his identity to Hush other than just arbitrarily loving with Batman which I know is kinda a Riddler thing but in the context of the two tellings side by side it feels so loving random. Like, the problem is the original Hush character was at the very least given an origin story that, if I remember right, explains his abilities. Other than the genius level intellect the OG Hush and Nygma share though, I don't remember any other commonalities in their skillset.

I thought the film itself was EXCELLENT but that particular twist was just a hard pass from me.

I thought the film was a cleaner telling. The Hush comic story has so much dredge from the ongoing storylines its hard to really enjoy. I mean it was kind of a letdown because they resurrect an oldschool villian from Dick Tracy lore but even that made sense for who the actual mastermind behind the plot is.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Captain Magic posted:

Man of Steel is really terrific imo.

I was bored through the whole thing. Everyone is just so lifeless in their performances.

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Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer
Paths of Glory is the best war film of all time.

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