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stevewm posted:This trend of naming security vulnerabilities is incredibly annoying. Oh, I don't know, it means the people who discovered the vulnerability get a catchy name and some coverage. Otherwise it just gets buried. Plus, it's probably pretty fun to be the guys who come up with the name - a few beers after figuring out the issue, and someone who thinks they're the funniest of the funny hits on a name. gently caress it, it's unnecessary, geeky and pretty cheesy, but why not
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HalloKitty posted:Oh, I don't know, it means the people who discovered the vulnerability get a catchy name and some coverage. Otherwise it just gets buried. Plus, it's probably pretty fun to be the guys who come up with the name - a few beers after figuring out the issue, and someone who thinks they're the funniest of the funny hits on a name. Certainly makes them easier to talk about if you happen to need to.
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Meltdown was already discussed, we don't need to have it in the thread again.
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stevewm posted:This trend of naming security vulnerabilities is incredibly annoying.
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ufarn posted:It's Intel vulnerability o'clock: https://cacheoutattack.com. I appreciate having a CPU olde enough that it's actually not impacted by this one.
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We're gonna have named exploits based on speculative execution for the next decade or more, so the conversation is going to be had many times yet.
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I follow one of those folks on twitter and I don't really get their posture at this point. This one's all about how they *knew* right after Intel patched the old one but they still didn't fix it or... I dunno. My SWAG is that it's approximately one zillion times harder to hit an eviction than a simple store, but to TU Graz it's all or nothing.
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eames posted:I'm sure motherboard manufacturers are thrilled that they had to invest into developing (and perhaps even manufacturing) boards with PCIe 4.0 compatability when they didn't need to. The GN guy said he already saw 400 series boards back in December. To be honest the fact that gen4 makes so much heat they had to go back to doing on-mobo fans makes me want to avoid them anyway.
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FRINGE posted:To be honest the fact that gen4 makes so much heat they had to go back to doing on-mobo fans makes me want to avoid them anyway. I think it's more likely than not that that chip was just the cheapest thing they could get done fast, and without much optimization for power efficiency. I doubt the next generation of pcie 4 supporting chipsets will need a fan.
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crazypenguin posted:I think it's more likely than not that that chip was just the cheapest thing they could get done fast, and without much optimization for power efficiency. Hopefully not because PCIe 6 is already being developed and without efficiency improvements, mobos will have to ship with delta fans to keep cool.
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sincx posted:At your service WHAT??
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priznat posted:WHAT?? I believe that is what is known as a "chode".
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If enough goons get together, I can and will build 28mm -> 40mm fan adapters. Hell, this might be my in into the industry, making aftermarket chipset coolers that accept standard 40mm Noctuas.
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Lowen SoDium posted:I believe that is what is known as a "chode". I googled that, oh noooo
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I never realized Delta's logo was a loudspeaker which feels very fitting Its big claim to fame was static pressure and being 6dB quieter than the monster TFB fans; quieter being relative since it was still 59 dBA. That chipset-sized Delta posted above is relatively silent in comparison.
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priznat posted:I googled that, oh noooo Turn on your monitor
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sincx posted:At your service Jesus, that part number made me flashback to one of my first jobs developing a fan controller for those 40 mm fuckers. FFB0412VHN, FFB0412UHN, I definitely have part number autism.
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future ghost posted:I sold all my Deltas awhile back for about $30 each.. No idea who wanted them or why. I had one of these fat fuckers and the static pressure was enough to move it along tables like a tethered hovercraft: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/df12gf.html Oh yeah, I'm not complaining about the performance. These are the things that were shipping in my servers for years and so long as you had thermal management and a proper fan curve they're good for the job. Absolutely sucks having to bench a system in your office with one of these things for any amount of time
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movax posted:Jesus, that part number made me flashback to one of my first jobs developing a fan controller for those 40 mm fuckers. FFB0412VHN, FFB0412UHN, I definitely have part number autism. my man let me VINtroduce you to a whole new level of autism ah man it hit me in all the right places when I realized I could learn so much about a vehicle by reading the VIN
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I'm guessing after nearly four years of stability, booting up to an 'overclocking failed' error and having to reduce my 6700K from 4.5ghz to 4.3ghz is just down to attrition/wear & tear on the hardware? Temperatures never really go any higher than 70 under load and it has never crashed during games or general stuff. It's only a boot-up thing.
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So I recently upgraded by GPU, and was surprised the Witcher 3 was still stuttering pretty regularly in the busy Novigrad area. I checked all sorts of things... and then had my answer when I checked the CPU temp with MSI Afterburner's overlay. 100 degrees C. It's been throttling down to keep itself from burning through the floor like the acid blood in Alien. I have no idea how long this has been going on, but it must have been a while, because I've had a stuttery Witcher for quite some time and always put it down to my old crappy GPU and me being overly optimistic with the graphics settings. I have now installed a new heat sink (Hyper 212X) and temps now stay below 80 degrees pretty much all the time even in Witcher, and Witcher is no longer stuttery. I have an i7 4970k. Despite the above, the computer never shut down or crashed due to heat issues and I don't have any stability problems. How likely is it my CPU's been incinerated and/or is about to due to the previous heat-abuse? (Note: it's not overclocked in any way)
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Soul Reaver posted:I have an i7 4970k. Despite the above, the computer never shut down or crashed due to heat issues and I don't have any stability problems. The circuitry for thermal protection is there to keep the chip within its designed envelope. So, no, you didn't hurt it. It may have had its life shortened somewhat compared to a more properly cooled chip, but remember that chips are specced to run within their envelope for like 10 years. So maybe yours now only lasts 9. Either way, as long as it still works fine right now, it will likely continue to do so until well past when you're ready for an upgrade anyhow.
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sincx posted:At your service I thought these are made by Rolls-Royce aerospace
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I'm guessing after nearly four years of stability, booting up to an 'overclocking failed' error and having to reduce my 6700K from 4.5ghz to 4.3ghz is just down to attrition/wear & tear on the hardware? Temperatures never really go any higher than 70 under load and it has never crashed during games or general stuff. It's only a boot-up thing. What voltage were you shoving through it? In my old x79's case, the PSU died after roughly 8+ years of use, then the Motherboard died about a year later. CPU still can clock right back to where I had it, with even a tad less voltage than before on a newish used board of the exact same type.
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Not sure how I missed this, but I’m posting it here because the topic is kind of quiet and Jim Keller currently works at Intel. Here’s a 90 Minute long interview with Jim Keller. https://youtu.be/Nb2tebYAaOA
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EdEddnEddy posted:What voltage were you shoving through it? I'm not sure what caused the issue but taking the cmos battery out and putting it back in fixed the issue. A myriad of settings were changed before (and it ran like that for years without any further changes) but it's all been put back to default and I've not had any further issues since then. I think I will leave it alone like this, it's about due an upgrade anyway. I quite fancy a ryzen 4 series/rtx 3 series system a few months from now. My guess is that the voltage (which was around 1.32v iirc?) was probably getting too high/low for what it needed to run smoothly, wear & tear got to it. Running memory tests all came back fine. Zedsdeadbaby fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Xeon Cascade Lake Refresh just announced. Basically moved all the parts about three bins down. Eg formerly Platinum parts now at Gold prices.
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Does anyone know which upcoming Intel CPU line will have hardware fixes for meltdown and Specter? (NOTE: answered my own question below, just posting to benefit other people with the same question). I found this old article, from 2018, on the Meltdown wikipedia page that Intel was planning hardware fixes in upcoming designs. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13450/intels-new-core-and-xeon-w-processors-fixes-for-spectre-meltdown From the article quote:As it currently stands, because the new Coffee Lake Refresh processors, the i9-9900K, the i7-9700K, and the i5-9600K, are built from new silicon designs, Intel was able to implement hardware fixes for variant 3 (rogue data cache load) and L1 terminal fault. These fixes are not in the Core-X Skylake-X Refresh processors as these are still the same silicon but with different binning and cache arrangements. Ok, I found my answers - the overlapping architecture releases from Intel makes things really confusing these days, compared to five years ago: Intel's Microarchitectures list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_CPU_microarchitectures I found the Coffee Lake and Cascade Lake architecture have the hardware fixes for Meltdown and Spectre. The Coffee Lake series released 4th Quarter 2018 have the hardware fixes for sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_Lake_(microarchitecture) I'm planning to build a new Intel system later this year, so wanted to get an architecture that would not be hindered by performance issues from firmware updates for the security fixes. Of course there will be new flaws (i.e. CacheOut referenced earlier), but just wanted to ensure the two big flaws were mitigated. nnnotime fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Id also like to know if anyone has info of hardware migitagions.
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PCjr sidecar posted:Xeon Cascade Lake Refresh just announced. Basically moved all the parts about three bins down. Eg formerly Platinum parts now at Gold prices. Makes me wonder if any real big "shots" will be fired this year from their side, or if the only movement left is really continuing to slash prices...
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My Core I7-8700 is running hot as hell. I've got a Noctua NH-U12S with two Noctua fans blowing through it (and my case's exit fan right next to them as well), and my temps go to ~85 degrees celsius when I play games. I stripped off the cooler, cleaned both surfaces and reattached everything yesterday (as well as blowing out the dust from the cooler elements) which seems to have helped a bit as previously it was running at 95 degrees during gameplay, but 85 still seems pretty high. The problem seems to be the ambient temperature in the case (a Phanteks P400S): I stopped playing a game ~10 minutes ago, and the temperature is steadily but slowly dropping towards my idle temps of ~30-35 degrees celsius. I'm wondering whether it might be better to take my case's exit fan off the back plate and mount it on the roof to blow the warm air straight up out of the case. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Der Shovel posted:My Core I7-8700 is running hot as hell. I've got a Noctua NH-U12S with two Noctua fans blowing through it (and my case's exit fan right next to them as well), and my temps go to ~85 degrees celsius when I play games. Check that the part that touches cpu has it's plastic cover removed. Clean off old thermal compound and apply a new one. Disable any overclock you may have done.
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