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We got germ theory and reliable fast electronic communication tho. And peace, for now
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snake flu killing billions of people is the best way to take a huge bite out of carbon emissions right away. i say lets go for it
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Jan 30, 2020 06:38
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Not me though
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Jan 30, 2020 06:43
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I hope the Uygur catch a little break while china is busy with their dumb virus
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Jan 30, 2020 06:45
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poeticoddity posted:Obviously panicking isn't helpful, but acting like there aren't a myriad of factors which could make a pandemic disease outbreak in 2020 significantly worse than one in 1918 or the 14th century is just naive. But also a myriad of factors which could make it much better. See SARS, which had the potential to be a horrific pandemic disease but then didn't become one. We're more at risk due to our behaviors but also much less at risk due to our ability to react to the spread, test for infection, treat symptoms, etc.
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Jan 30, 2020 06:53
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we should all be eating bats to build our resistance
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Jan 30, 2020 06:58
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QuarkJets posted:But also a myriad of factors which could make it much better. See SARS, which had the potential to be a horrific pandemic disease but then didn't become one. We're more at risk due to our behaviors but also much less at risk due to our ability to react to the spread, test for infection, treat symptoms, etc. I sincerely hope all of the mitigating factors outweigh everything I listed and this ends up being on the scale of SARS instead of something worse. Hopefully we'll get some cool, new, anti-viral drugs as a result of this.  Or maybe this finally curtails anti-vaccine sentiment through a combination of persuasion and attrition. 
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Jan 30, 2020 07:17
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poeticoddity posted:Obviously panicking isn't helpful, but acting like there aren't a myriad of factors which could make a pandemic disease outbreak in 2020 significantly worse than one in 1918 or the 14th century is just naive. But for most of the factors you listed, there is also an inverse correlation between their prominence and the likelihood of a severe pandemic. IE places where most of those factors are most applicable (developed countries) are also the places that have proven to be most resistant to severe pandemics. This seems to suggest that a lot of the things you listed are actually net positives when it comes to reducing the likely severity of an outbreak. Like yeah, more people live in cities, but that means more ready access to health care for most people. More people are reliant on medical infrastructure because medical infrastructure has improved by a factor of a hundred. People are often reliant on supply chains for food but that means that there are uniform sanitary and storage standards for everyone's food (mind you, the reason for this current outbreak is because a colossal number of people in China, even in cities, are partially reliant on wild game for their diets) Infrastructure maintainence requirements are higher now because infrastructure is better, including most critically, sanitation infrastructure. The vast majority of households in 1918 still didn't have indoor plumbing and the idea of sewage treatment was only just starting to gain traction.
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Jan 30, 2020 07:19
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Me and like 4 of my friends all got super sick with miserable flu symptoms like a week ago at an internationally attended conference center in Vancouver but none of us went to the doctor to see if we got the corona virus because who the hell would ever go to the doctor when they get sick? None of us are like wealthy or something, we don't get to miss school whenever we want and just pay our way out. Anyways I've been telling everyone that that first official case of coronavirus that got reported here wasn't the first actual one because one of my friends staying at the airbnb was the first actual one (half-jokingly) and it seems like people actually are worried about this dumb rear end flu. Am I missing something here about how this is somehow gonna be a bigger deal than normal influenza or is it just that I'm not exposed to like dumb media fearmongering?
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Jan 30, 2020 07:23
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Me and like 4 of my friends all got super sick with miserable flu symptoms like a week ago at an internationally attended conference center in Vancouver but none of us went to the doctor to see if we got the corona virus because who the hell would ever go to the doctor when they get sick? None of us are like wealthy or something, we don't get to miss school whenever we want and just pay our way out. It appears to have caused you terminal brain damage, I'm sorry.
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Jan 30, 2020 07:30
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that's been there, no mere virus could make me like this
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Jan 30, 2020 07:39
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No I'm definitely still sick, this is like day 5 now
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Jan 30, 2020 07:41
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Add a new victim to the virus' death toll https://twitter.com/gerryshih/status/1222758700261113857
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Jan 30, 2020 07:42
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A friend of mine works at a food service establishment at the IFC in Hong Kong. There's a Four Seasons Hotel in the IFC where a couple from Wuhan stayed, and they tested positive for coronavirus. There's also a very very very popular restaurant in the hotel which they are likely to have dined at. My friend is really angry at China for trying to hide this thing for a month. She and her coworkers have likely been exposed by now. She also says the rumor in Hong Kong is that the coronavirus is worse than state reports indicate, and that they're under-representing the negative figures significantly. The third-hand rumor I received: (If you're a hypochondriac, sadbrainsed, or prone to panicking, don't read the following) I have no way to substantiate the following claim, however the rumor in Hong Kong (as far as my friend is concerned) is that something like 90,000 people have died in Wuhan, and that China has blocked all the actual news. Again, it's just rumor heard third-hand, however, given the way China reports deaths and the way people die, it seems possible.
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Jan 30, 2020 07:59
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:No I'm definitely still sick, this is like day 5 now Good luck
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Jan 30, 2020 08:03
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I heard it was closer to 400.000
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Jan 30, 2020 08:04
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I think even western governments (the good guys of the world) would underreport the impact of such a epidemic to not cause mass hysteria so yeah it's definitely much much more than whatever the official numbers are
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Jan 30, 2020 08:09
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Backweb posted:Again, it's just rumor heard third-hand, however, given the way China reports deaths and the way people die, it seems possible. Yeah it seems very possible. Gotta save face.
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Jan 30, 2020 08:09
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Seems like ol mother nature is getting a bit tired of the human race
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Jan 30, 2020 08:15
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Ron Klain, Obama's ebola response czar said in an interview that there are estimates in the epidemiologist community outside of China of hundreds of thousands of people infected in China alone. Having this happen during flu season is the worst. Hypochondriacs must being nuts right now.
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Jan 30, 2020 08:27
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Sent my folks back home an email asking for them to ship me masks and hand sanitizer. I relayed the rumors about the actual death figures, and now I feel like that guy from Episode One: "The death toll is catastrophic! You must contact me!"MarcusSA posted:Yeah it seems very possible. Word. We're all losing face in this thread for bringing up this unpleasant topic. Things will be fine. China has 5,000 years of history. (edit: I have now saved face)
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Jan 30, 2020 08:29
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Backweb posted:A friend of mine works at a food service establishment at the IFC in Hong Kong. There's a Four Seasons Hotel in the IFC where a couple from Wuhan stayed, and they tested positive for coronavirus. There's also a very very very popular restaurant in the hotel which they are likely to have dined at. that 90k dead number can from a mistranslation on twitter of a chinese post saying 90k suspected cases. check the CSPAM thread
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Jan 30, 2020 08:34
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9000000 Dead Chinese Wuhan is a gently caress
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Jan 30, 2020 08:36
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This whole thing is way less fun then the Ebola outbreak when the guy made a hat that said "don't touch the pee pee or the poo poo." That guy owned.
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Jan 30, 2020 08:39
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China IS actually now being honest about what their count of infections means - it is purely the count of confirmed cases as tested by lab equipment for the Coronavirus solely. There isn't any attempt now to hide (unlike earlier) that many more are sick with it; it is just that measuring the real number isn't possible as a cheap, effective, and fast testing kit isn't available, not to mention the shortage of resources in the Wuhan area. There is obviously 80000-300000 actual infections out there and only epidemiological projections can provide the complete picture right now until an effective testing kit becomes available in large numbers. The more important question is if China is hiding deaths; it should not be difficult to measure total deaths across a community, and epidemiology can easily subtract the pre-pandemic death rate. Right now the reported death number is only from previously confirmed cases.
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Armadillo Tank posted:that 90k dead number can from a mistranslation on twitter of a chinese post saying 90k suspected cases. check the CSPAM thread unpacked robinhood posted:9000000 Dead Chinese
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Delta-Wye posted:The official numbers are not jivving with the first hand accounts I'm seeing of overwhelmed funeral homes, etc. Either the chinese posters/translators I'm reading are LARPing or the official deathtoll numbers are bullshit. Yeah. The coronavirus has now spread to Finland as well, brought by a tourist from Wuhan who travelled on the day of the travel ban and started exhibiting symptoms last Sunday. Considering how many people from Wuhan have spread the disease abroad, either we had the most unlikely stroke of luck in the history of the world (according to the CCP there were only hundreds to a few thousand cases on the 25th, and magically a large percentage of them just happened to travel abroad at the same time) or there are a lot more carriers about than they are admitting, and I mean by an order of magnitude at least.
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Backweb posted:That's very possible. I was getting the info third-hand anyway. I'll double check with my friend where she heard it and how sure she is. The 90k number was from a fake video from Epoch Times (AKA the Falun gong newspaper) released on Chinese new year day.
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Jan 30, 2020 09:06
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I don't want to spread any baseless rumors but I heard up to a billion Chinese are now dead and the horseman of the apocalypse, plague, has been seen with Xi jinping. Now this is only third hand rumors I read in a toilet Stall in a Chinese restaurant (run by Koreans) but with those inscrutable Chinese you never know!
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Son of Rodney posted:I don't want to spread any baseless rumors but I heard up to a billion Chinese are now dead and the horseman of the apocalypse, plague, has been seen with Xi jinping. Just stock up on juice and exercise and you'll be ok according to that one goon (doctors hate him)
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poeticoddity posted:Also: This. Nice summary of my biggest fears. Before I take a dose of cyanide, lets just hope: * It dies out quickly by itself (nope) * Spread is limited by best practice of govts (haha) * A vaccine is developed before everyone around the world is infected (nope) * We all catch it, but it's a much milder mutation which doesn't subdue our day-to-day life (most realistic hope) * I move to the wilderness, setup an off grid basic tech lifestyle, gently caress you got mine * Marcus Hutchins registers a TLD which initiates the viral kill switch Jamsta fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 10:10
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The important thing right now is to blindly panic and to let fear consume us.
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Son of Rodney posted:The important thing right now is to blindly panic and to let fear consume us. sounds good to me
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Jan 30, 2020 10:19
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Son of Rodney posted:The important thing right now is to blindly panic and to let fear consume us. *runs around in a blind panic, slamming foot into bed frame, wishing flu would now take me to end the worst pain there is*
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Jan 30, 2020 10:20
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It's just a flu though Unless you are old or are already diseased with HIV or other stuffs that crash your immune system you'll be fine?
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Fartbox posted:It's just a flu though * quotes the whole thread at u *
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unpacked robinhood posted:* quotes the whole thread at u * literally check his post history in this thread, lmao
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Fartbox posted:It's just a flu though SOME OF US ARE OLD AND HAVE GRAND NIECES THAT ARE IMMUNOCOMPROMISED AND HOW DARE YOU TELL US NOT TO PANIC is the general tone I'm getting from mommas the world over
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