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thrawn527 posted:I was wondering about that replicator. Why would it be programmed to make lovely food? Can't it make...anything? Why are there working stiffs on Mars complaining about the lovely conditions, talking like contemporary dock workers in the heart of the Federation fleet shipyards? (I know, I know - they're building the evacuation fleet) Stuff like that feels just a wee bit uncreative, like they have to fall back on cliche either so the audience isn't too alienated or because they don't actually see the incongruity of having these working class type characters in this setting. I kept waiting for someone to get their pay docked for not clocking in on time. I'm not saying this makes the show bad. I'm approaching it just from the perspective of a writer that gets to imagine the future and it'd be like seeing a teacher, frustrated because their school's underfunded and class sizes keep getting bigger. I know the old shows wisely avoided showing much of how Earth works because it's a bit of a minefield, but if you're going to do it then at least show me some far out new future society, not slapping a star trek skin on stock modern day professions. Tighclops posted:Honestly I can't remember the theme tune except that the flute from the inner light is in it slightly Really? I've had that cello line stuck in my head all week. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Picard Ep 2thrawn527 posted:This episode started with some super clunky exposition about the Romulans super double secret police that is the kind of story telling I kind of hate. But I think it picked up with the Borg cube stuff. So they're removing the fixtures from dead Borg, but they still stay dead? I mean, nice to be respectful and all, but why? To further study the Borg? I definitely want to learn more about what's going on there. I don't think they're supposed to be dead? I think the "former" drones are hibernating. When they remove the eye thing it's very bloody and the soundtrack has a distinct heartbeat that speeds up at one point. Also, they refer to it as reclamation. I took the whole thing as they are, very slowly, de-borging whoever is on the cube.
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Delthalaz posted:Yeah who’s that lady from the end? Are we supposed to remember her? No, she's in the prequel comic but is a new character.
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I was shocked that a character actor with as many roles as David Paymer has that that was his first ST appearance.
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zoux posted:I was shocked that a character actor with as many roles as David Paymer has that that was his first ST appearance. But didn't it feel like he was an old familiar face? He's just that kind of guy. Hey guys, I love Star Trek.
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I'm enjoying Picard but the cursing in this episode seems really tonally off. Like all of it, not just "sheer loving hubris". It felt more out of place than the Klingon tits in Discovery.
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zoux posted:I was shocked that a character actor with as many roles as David Paymer has that that was his first ST appearance. Something about him is so familiar to me, but I can't place it. Looking at his imdb the only role that really stands out was that Heart and Soul film that would play every year on tv. What's he best known for?
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I didn't like that admiral being so rude to Jean Luc Picard.Lizard Combatant posted:Something about him is so familiar to me, but I can't place it. Looking at his imdb the only role that really stands out was that Heart and Soul film that would play every year on tv. He's a first-ballot "That Guy" hall of famer, I don't know if there's a single role he's most known for.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Something about him is so familiar to me, but I can't place it. Looking at his imdb the only role that really stands out was that Heart and Soul film that would play every year on tv. He's one of the Teeny Wangers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wfXDNIuJs
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Handsome Wife posted:It felt more out of place than the Klingon tits in Discovery. You know what, never mind.
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Jan 30, 2020 20:13
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They were flashed on screen really quick in one scene.
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I thought the swearing in Picard was basically fine, it's not like Discovery where the entire episode grinds to a halt just so they can say that something is "loving cool".
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It was the payoff after years of being teased with Lursa and B'etor's Klingon Kleavage.
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Nullsmack posted:They were flashed on screen really quick in one scene. Hah. That's, uh, downplaying that scene a little. Fun argument in the last thread about implication vs portrayal of certain topics when someone got real huffy that another poster mentioned the show really tipped over into not being family friendly at that point.
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I don't have a problem with it on principle, but growing up with ST it's weird hearing the Major Swears on them
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I mean, a lot of what was implied or toed-the-line by previous Trek was just outright shown in Discovery. Klingon tits? Go for it. Cursing? Yup. Gruesome surgical procedures? Shown in explicit detail. Injuries the TNG makeup people could only dream of? Done. Questionable writing aside, Disco dips into things that existed in Trek before, but were previously glossed over because it was prime-time family TV.
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HD DAD posted:I mean, a lot of what was implied or toed-the-line by previous Trek was just outright shown in Discovery. Klingon tits? Go for it. Cursing? Yup. Gruesome surgical procedures? Shown in explicit detail. Injuries the TNG makeup people could only dream of? Done. Yeah to be clear, creating a show for an older audience is fine. But I understand that poster's regret that it wasn't a show they could share with their young kids. Although in hindsight I'd consider it a mercy.
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The cursing in these new shows always feels a little forced. Like a little kid waiting until Mom's out of earshot to drop an F bomb.
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Lester Shy posted:The cursing in these new shows always feels a little forced. Like a little kid waiting until Mom's out of earshot to drop an F bomb. See that doesn't bother me when it's used for impact, it's dropping things like "dude" in that get under my skin a little. Not much, but a little.
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Lizard Combatant posted:See that doesn't bother me when it's used for impact, it's dropping things like "dude" in that get under my skin a little. Not much, but a little. Honestly i think her getting real mad about it is worse than the cursing, it just feels so out of place for someone in her position. I know she's gotta tell Picard no, but as I said before, there's better ways to get there. She's a professional starfleet officer, not a mob boss.
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Bad Admirals are extremely Star Trek. Like the only good Admiral who isn't a promoted main character is William Ross. Otherwise they're either an obstacle to doing the correct thing or straight up corrupt or the host of an alien worm bent on infiltrating and controlling the UFP from the inside. Folks, they're Badmirals.
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The cursing is dumb and terrible. We should want Trek to inspire and be for everyone not be full of cringey cussing that makes me think twice about showing it to my mom or my niece
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Another good episode. I kind of wish they hadn't given away that Riker and Troi appear because I was impatient for Picard to get to their place, guess that's next episode. Also about swearing, I thought it worked well. It's more shocking than it was in Discovery, since this show puts you in TNG mode to an extent where people never swear, and also coming from the admiral, but that puts you in Picard's shoes. Starfleet's refusal to give him a ship, and dismissal of his claims is very shocking to him. But I also liked Tilly and Stamets swearing in Discovery, so each to their own.
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zoux posted:Bad Admirals are extremely Star Trek. Like the only good Admiral who isn't a promoted main character is William Ross. Otherwise they're either an obstacle to doing the correct thing or straight up corrupt or the host of an alien worm bent on infiltrating and controlling the UFP from the inside Bad Admirals are fine, but as I said, the way she delivered it did not really make sense for what we know of Starfleet or admirals. She could've been an absolute dick to him, but she would've been a courteous dick, maybe implying he has dementia, etc. Lizard Combatant posted:Stuff like that feels just a wee bit uncreative, like they have to fall back on cliche either so the audience isn't too alienated or because they don't actually see the incongruity of having these working class type characters in this setting. I kept waiting for someone to get their pay docked for not clocking in on time. Yeah, I feel like they could've been a bit more imaginative about showing it off. I always assumed things like Chateau Picard were there just for fun, and that the shipyards would be more for people who enjoy making model ships or whatever, more that vibe. I don't think it's that important to the story, but a few little things could really help the show out, I think. I also think it's a weak writing thing for Picard to mention his old crew, then reject them because he doesn't want to send them to their deaths potentially- when he's planning to grab some young and hip crewmen to potentially send to their deaths. I know they don't want to include TNG characters, but I think it makes more sense if Worf and Geordi just have other things to be doing, and maybe help him in other ways, possibly referring some young and hip crewmen to him or whatever. Or for him not to mention them at all, so we can think that they're maybe dead or something. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Panzeh posted:Honestly i think her getting real mad about it is worse than the cursing, it just feels so out of place for someone in her position. I know she's gotta tell Picard no, but as I said before, there's better ways to get there. She's a professional starfleet officer, not a mob boss. Eh, in that moment it's a very effective bit of characterisation for showing how much she hates him right now. Possibly out of nascent guilt that's she's gonna be on the wrong side of history? But as I posted earlier, what didn't quite work for me story wise was: Lizard Combatant posted:Something that felt a little odd was Admiral loving Hubris being completely closed to Picard's claim. I mean, he was just involved in a mysterious explosion on the roof of one of their buildings the day before (for which he does not appear to have been questioned by the police about) and I struggle to believe someone so incredulous would hold that rank unless they're also in on the plot (which it seems they are not?).
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-I hate you, I hated you for 20 years and the whole galaxy knows it because I hate you so much I despised you publicly on galactic network yesterday. Also told everyone you have no balls and you hosed up and are murderers of 900 million people. Also Im the (ex)best so gimme a ship and a crew cause I know better. -Oh just gently caress you. It does sound reasonable. It was a shock indeed but it is reasonable.
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Lester Shy posted:The cursing in these new shows always feels a little forced. Like a little kid waiting until Mom's out of earshot to drop an F bomb. I'll always remember watching Generations as a kid and Data saying "Oh poo poo!"
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Every goddamn problem in the TNG movies is caused by Data's loving emotion chip. For seven loving years we've fallen in love with this android trying to be human, so for the film, lets just totally get rid of that aspect of the character
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nine-gear crow posted:I'll always remember watching Generations as a kid and Data saying "Oh poo poo!" That was the best. Oh man, I have a weird theory but I'm exhausted and cant articulate it properly right now.
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Is Dorne getting a cameo in this at all? I remember a few years back at least he was really trying to stir up grassroots fan support for a Worf series. They should let him glue on the rubber appliances again, for a few scenes, as a treat.
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I'm really hanging out for some speaking parts from aliens that aren't ears or spots. I wanna see what modern prosthetics can do for TNG era races. I get they're probably still worried about what to do with kilngons, but give me a cardassian or something.
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Lizard Combatant posted:I'm really hanging out for some speaking parts from aliens that aren't ears or spots. I wanna see what modern prosthetics can do for TNG era races. IIRC there was a Cardassian in a Disco promo shot, and they looked largely the same.
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HD DAD posted:IIRC there was a Cardassian in a Disco promo shot, and they looked largely the same. There's a trailer for that? I must have missed it. I meant more the actual application more so than any redesign. I get really into new special effects materials and techniques so I'd also love any behind the scenes stuff if you know of any? e: lol, just watched that trailer. They're really going for it, aren't they? Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Owlbear Camus posted:Is Dorne getting a cameo in this at all? I thought it was confirmed that he was, at least I've seen mention from someone in production that when Worf appears he won't look like a disco Klingon
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nine-gear crow posted:I'll always remember watching Generations as a kid and Data saying "Oh poo poo!" That was awesome, because the loving Enterprise was about to crash into a planet. If there were ever a time for anybody on TNG to drop an "Oh poo poo!" it was right then and there, and for it to be Data was hilarious.
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Worf will not be appearing in Picard this season. Riker, Data, and Troi are the only TNG main cast showing up. That comment was referring to a possible future Worf appearance, saying he’d look like TNG Worf and not have the dramatic Disco look.
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Lizard Combatant posted:There's a trailer for that? I must have missed it. Yeah there's a disco season 3 trailer with a brief shot of a mixed group of aliens including a cardassian and whatever species Morn is.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Worf will not be appearing in Picard this season. Riker, Data, and Troi are the only TNG main cast showing up. That comment was referring to a possible future Worf appearance, saying he’d look like TNG Worf and not have the dramatic Disco look. It would be funny if every single series had differaent Klingons. Lower Decks should make them inscrutably alien.
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Panzeh posted:Honestly i think her getting real mad about it is worse than the cursing, it just feels so out of place for someone in her position. I know she's gotta tell Picard no, but as I said before, there's better ways to get there. She's a professional starfleet officer, not a mob boss. (For the record, lest I be accused of agreeing with the admiral just because I understand her perspective, she's still obviously wrong- you help the god drat refugees who are dying, and then deal with the political fallout, even if it's severe. You don't just give up and sit back as people die.) Lizard Combatant posted:Something that felt a little odd was Admiral loving Hubris being completely closed to Picard's claim. I mean, he was just involved in a mysterious explosion on the roof of one of their buildings the day before (for which he does not appear to have been questioned by the police about) and I struggle to believe someone so incredulous would hold that rank unless they're also in on the plot (which it seems they are not?). She just accidentally asked the ringleader of the plot to look into it so that is why it's all down to Picard's rag-tag individual ship.
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Brawnfire posted:It would be funny if every single series had differaent Klingons. Lower Decks should make them inscrutably alien. Lower Decks should just make them look like the crab-headed proto-Worf from Genesis.
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