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Improbable Lobster posted:wow, woolie repeating all sorts of wildly outdated and borderline racist myths on the podcast this week huh It definitely feels like there's an innocuous side to like, "your formative language leading towards different ways of thinking"? Now "That's why they're generally better at math" is where it got a little uncomfortable. At least, in the face of Pat "we should only have one language" I was taking Woolies thing as a bit of a wholesome "different languages means diversity of thoughts, ideas and perspectives"
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Linguistic relativity and determinism are very weird concepts and people have argued for and against those theories in earnest for the longest time, although the pro arguments can get a bit too deterministic. I think it's bullshit and a language just reflects a population's experience with something. Pat's take of "we should only have one language" is incredibly dumb tho, because that's impossible. Languages vary in time and space, even nowadays. People will adapt a language to their experiences and their local necessities. That's been established in the 20th century even.
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Oxyclean posted:It definitely feels like there's an innocuous side to like, "your formative language leading towards different ways of thinking"? Now "That's why they're generally better at math" is where it got a little uncomfortable. I don't think he's malicious or anything but he's the kind of guy that repeats stuff he's heard people claim without thinking too hard about it. Sometimes it leads to stuff like him claiming the bison was overhunted by the natives instead of the attempted genocide-by-starvation that actually happened.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I don't think he's malicious or anything but he's the kind of guy that repeats stuff he's heard people claim without thinking too hard about it. Sometimes it leads to stuff like him claiming the bison was overhunted by the natives instead of the attempted genocide-by-starvation that actually happened. Oh yeah, I didn't think anyone was suggesting Woolie was secretly bad, I'm just sort of sharing my personal mindset on how i can see that particular thing as not seeming very insidious at first glance / why he made didn't think twice about it? Did he say natives? Ive certain heard the "Bison were overhunted" but I don't know if it's Oregon trail influence but I though the like "popular history" thing was that they were overhunted by the European settlers. I have vague memories of that being a thing I learned in school, and I suspect Woolie is coming from a similar space? The genocide-by-starvation is not something I've heard before (or have forgotten) though we were definitely taught about the chicken pox blankets stuff. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 18:11
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Oxyclean posted:Oh yeah, I didn't think anyone was suggesting Woolie was secretly bad, I'm just sort of sharing my personal mindset on how i can see that particular thing as not seeming very insidious at first glance / why he made didn't think twice about it? There is a very famous 19th century photo of a bunch of Lilly white hunters standing in front of a two story mountain of bison skulls that makes it abundantly clear who was ACTUALLY over hunting. While it’s true that certain tribes engaged in... questionable hunting practices, the idea that native Americans as a whole were responsible for the near extinction of any given species feeds into the misconception that they were a single homogenous culture of nomadic hunter gatherers, which cannot be further from the truth.
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Overlord K posted:I always suspected Pat would turn into a MGS villain at some point, I just didn't expect it to be Skull Face. Such a lust for red bull, whooooooooooooooooooo! Also yeah genocide by starvation was a big thing, America even put it on our money 
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The chat literally called out woolie's comment about the linguistics stuff and he said he was just repeating what he read/heard from a linguistic expert and backed down later on in the podcast. Pat's inability to understand enjoyment derived from creation is super loving insane. He said he thinks it comes from someone telling him when he was little to just get a better thing someone else made instead of trying to make your own or something. Probably a bastardization of "don't reinvent the wheel" but instead it hosed up a ginger short man. Similarly my grandma worked with a woman who had been told at a young age to "count your steps" which I guess is a saying I'm not familiar with but I get the meaning. However she took it literally and didn't question it until it somehow came up in conversation that she knew how many steps it took to get anywhere and she thought everyone obsessively counted their steps. Kids don't understand metaphors and it sometimes turns into mental illness I guess.
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I mean, remember that up until a year or two ago, he thought you should support the corporation because his experience with people at Groceries hosed him up.
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Someone needs to explain it to Pat as "people create new things because deep down, they believe they can do better than what came before". Why write your own D&D campaign instead of using a pre-made scenario? Because the DM believes, consciously or not, that they can do better. I think he'd understand that. I'm firmly on team "Pat is pretending to have half his brain goblins just to be contrary" though
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Deified Data posted:I'm firmly on team "Pat is pretending to have half his brain goblins just to be contrary" though That would easily explain how Matt and Liam got tired of him at least.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:39
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There is a moment in every 3rd or 4th CSB where the real exasperation will start to creep into Woolie's demeanor and Pat will enter "oops I am pushing away a friend again" mode and immediately start walking back whatever bullshit he was on. Why can't he identify these moments 10-15 minutes sooner
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Jan 30, 2020 23:44
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If mental illness was that easily solved, we would've distributed it decades ago
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Deified Data posted:There is a moment in every 3rd or 4th CSB where the real exasperation will start to creep into Woolie's demeanor and Pat will enter "oops I am pushing away a friend again" mode and immediately start walking back whatever bullshit he was on. Why can't he identify these moments 10-15 minutes sooner if he could he wouldn't be Pat
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RottenK posted:if he could he wouldn't be Pat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5N_Sc-0qXk
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Grouchio posted:He would transform into Pat alter, thinner, snarkier, and a big anime fan. according to pat's knowledge of Fate, it would also mean that you'll have to feed him cake, even after he no longer wants to eat any more cake
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Tae posted:I mean, remember that up until a year or two ago, he thought you should support the corporation because his experience with people at Groceries hosed him up. I thought his perspective was that everyone is trying to gently caress the other party over as hard as possible cause he dealt with lovely customers and also the grocery store was lovely to said customer, so he thought being lovely was the norm, so he was more anti-corporation as a consumer. Or was this another thing? Deified Data posted:I'm firmly on team "Pat is pretending to have half his brain goblins just to be contrary" though I don't buy that but I don't think he's really trying all that hard, or maybe at all, to be better either. I don't know a lot about OCD of this nature, but based on what he's said I think I had similar issues as a kid, the difference being that at some point I started being spiteful of the mind goblins and defiant toward them instead of trolling people on twitter as an outlet like Pat does now. It's worth noting there's two parts of this, Pat's mind goblins, and him being a contrarian troll, the two aren't mutually exclusive but probably aren't helping each other. Even without the OCD he'd probably be grating.
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Oxyclean posted:Oh yeah, I didn't think anyone was suggesting Woolie was secretly bad, I'm just sort of sharing my personal mindset on how i can see that particular thing as not seeming very insidious at first glance / why he made didn't think twice about it? He specifically said that the natives hunting by running bison off cliffs was "too effective". This was the reality. A lot of this stuff isn't taught in Canadian classrooms, at least if my own education is representative 
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Improbable Lobster posted:He specifically said that the natives hunting by running bison off cliffs was "too effective". This was the reality. A lot of this stuff isn't taught in Canadian classrooms, at least if my own education is representative when someone said "mountain of skulls" i thought they were being figurative or exaggerating, jesus
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Improbable Lobster posted:He specifically said that the natives hunting by running bison off cliffs was "too effective". This was the reality. A lot of this stuff isn't taught in Canadian classrooms, at least if my own education is representative Holy gently caress, that is genuinely unsettling
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Jan 31, 2020 16:13
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Look at them putting their boots up on the skulls so loving proud. Good job running a food supply to near extinction.
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Flubby posted:Look at them putting their boots up on the skulls so loving proud. Good job running a food supply to near extinction. 19th century photograph man: Yes! It was!
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If Pat is exaggerating his brain goblins to troll then he’s doing a masterful job of it because his description of that time he played D&D is some supremely That Guy poo poo Like the DM was also an rear end in a top hat because something like that is easily fixable behind the scenes, but woof
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Yeah, pat veers wildly from being delightful and being intolerable.
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Scrap Dragon posted:If Pat is exaggerating his brain goblins to troll then he’s doing a masterful job of it because his description of that time he played D&D is some supremely That Guy poo poo I went digging for this and found it in a twitch chat where Pat broke for a minute: https://clips.twitch.tv/TamePeacefulWallabyDoggo Pat wasn't feeling D&D, so his character wanders off, kills a story critical NPC, and he doesn't show up to the next session. Oof.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO7DIBma5JM poo poo gets real this episode.
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Rhonne posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO7DIBma5JM
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Rhonne posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO7DIBma5JM This is going to end in one of them murdering the other.
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Rhonne posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO7DIBma5JM Okay, now this is starting to get heated. I gotta ask, what brought this on to begin with? Like just watch it at your own pace, it's just a show, it's not like you're trying to tunnel through a mountain by hand.
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, now this is starting to get heated. I gotta ask, what brought this on to begin with? Like just watch it at your own pace, it's just a show, it's not like you're trying to tunnel through a mountain by hand. SEW literally created his youtube channel to get Woolie and Pat to watch HxH. Pat has been converted, but Woolie still resists. And the only way to make him watch it is the 1 weekend a year they're both in the same place for a con. It's also just a bit. 
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This week’s podcast does a lot to reinforce that the parallel reality where Woolie is a cult leader is not terribly far removed from our own.
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I am fairly certain the Native Ancestors are responsible for the extinction of Mammoths and Giant Sloths.
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The sloths had it coming
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Feb 5, 2020 03:31
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Clearly we need 'Wha Happun' Lawbreakers' now.
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Feb 6, 2020 05:26
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"Cliffy B" Wha Happun, more like.
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A true man of culture, they chose the best knuckles rap. (Pumpkin Hill is nice, but it doesn't beat Unknown from ME)
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