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sexpig by night posted:lol Lamar Alexander's big reward for his vote has so far been two fox guests attacking him for saying he thought it was bad but not impeachable bad, because how dare he say it was bad at all. The real reward was the criminality they normalized along the way 
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oxsnard posted:Didn't see this posted. Romney made it official Roberts isn't going get involved. It'll die 50-50
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Jan 31, 2020 17:27
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I know McConnell is a great lighting rod for all the poo poo and anger flowing to him and leaving others relatively unscathed but they have to be sick of towing the line for him. There has to be more than just 1 more senator who wants the ability challenge the president, stand for their policy interests and not be considered a rubber stamp. I doubt Romney and Collins aren't talking to senators close to them and I doubt there aren't some "confirmed noes" not still weighing the consequences.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:28
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sexpig by night posted:lol Lamar Alexander's big reward for his vote has so far been two fox guests attacking him for saying he thought it was bad but not impeachable bad, because how dare he say it was bad at all. That’s the funniest part. A lot of these ghouls want to say the same thing as Lamar but the base is so hosed that they think he did nothing wrong.
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FlamingLiberal posted:He basically left it up to Congress to do something about the conduct The biggest note was he couldn't prove if Trump purposely colluded or if he was just dumb and was tricked/did it but accident, which was the issue with prosecution because intent was needed. Nobody ever points that out, but that's the kind of stuff that would really piss Trump off and get him to do stupider stuff. You'll never "get" Trump due to the GOP, but him doing stupid stuff hurts them all for the election, which is why that's the kind of stuff that trolls him that should be focused on.
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oxsnard posted:Didn't see this posted. Romney made it official She's still got a half hour to make her morning announcement, but it seems very much her and Alexander were just trying to structure their announcements so the retiring senator caught the most flak. Would be delightful if Roberts was a tie breaker with a yes, but it's clear the GOP has decided protecting Trump is their safest choice.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:35
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PIZZA.BAT posted:What time is the vote? probably 5pm ish.
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no way, probably closer to midnight
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Frank Sidebottom posted:Roberts isn't going get involved. It'll die 50-50 Well that can be his loving legacy then.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:42
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Also consider any senator with future presidential aspirations is going have this over their head in the future. Law and Order and Leadership platforms are shot for them. In the general election the Trump No vote will drat them.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:44
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Also consider any senator with future presidential aspirations is going have this over their head in the future. Law and Order and Leadership platforms are shot for them. In the general election the Trump No vote will drat them. you're not wrong but a yes vote will drat them in the primary. These worms are genuinely caught in a catch-22 at this point and I'm pretty amused by it at this point. Their monster is fully loose now and they know if they even dare to say daddy wasn't perfect while defending him they're on the poo poo list, even if most of america thinks he's a crook.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Also consider any senator with future presidential aspirations is going have this over their head in the future. Law and Order and Leadership platforms are shot for them. In the general election the Trump No vote will drat them. that just depends on what happens over the next 9 months, and what comes out after Trump is out of office. Sasse or Cotton aren't going to bring up poo poo about Trump in 2023 if he's being indicted to hell and back by the SDNY, or if god knows what else comes out between now and then. Hell, Ted Cruz will be running for president until the heat death of the universe and you know he'd love nothing more than to knife Trump every chance he got.
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kashich was on cnn. usual dodgy bullshit but when asked about portman and the vulnerable. he seemed to say that this was a stupid loving call and will gently caress them in November and the GOP is dumb to write this off.
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https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1223286778213359616quote:While many Republicans have expressed hopes that the expected failure of a vote to call new witnesses would mean a rapid end to Trump’s impeachment trial, officials are warning that might not be the case. politico with the same story https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1223286287936913415 eke out fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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I'm really surprised the WH would want this to go on longer. I figure the best-case scenario for them is a late Friday evening acquittal to get it over with & hope the Super Bowl/IA caucus/SOTU trifecta is enough of a distraction to bury it (as far as you can bury an impeachment trial, anyway)
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The longer it goes the worse it is for the White House, I'm surprised they are letting this continue.
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oldskool posted:I'm really surprised the WH would want this to go on longer. I figure the best-case scenario for them is a late Friday evening acquittal to get it over with & hope the Super Bowl/IA caucus/SOTU trifecta is enough of a distraction to bury it (as far as you can bury an impeachment trial, anyway) i have no doubt that the white house wants this to go away, but the Senate is now interested in desperately retroactively trying to make it seem more legitimate by having "deliberations" and closing arguments and such like normal impeachments have
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eke out posted:i have no doubt that the white house wants this to go away, but the Senate is now interested in desperately retroactively trying to make it seem more legitimate by having "deliberations" and closing arguments and such like normal impeachments have yea they likely think if they can do this performative extending poo poo out thing they can spin it as less of an obvious race to letting trump walk.
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oldskool posted:I'm really surprised the WH would want this to go on longer. I figure the best-case scenario for them is a late Friday evening acquittal to get it over with & hope the Super Bowl/IA caucus/SOTU trifecta is enough of a distraction to bury it (as far as you can bury an impeachment trial, anyway) I'm almost certain its a ruse. Its probably designed to keep the Democrats from rushing any new damning evidence or soundbites out to the public in the assumption that the acquittal vote is coming Today or Monday.
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Jan 31, 2020 18:04
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Frank Sidebottom posted:Roberts isn't going get involved. It'll die 50-50 Roberts is already involved at that point. 50-50 with no action by him (which may not be possible?) is involvement.
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Jan 31, 2020 18:07
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God whoever handles this poo poo for Bolton is a loving PR mastermind. An incredibly lovely person, but the guy knows how to keep his client in the media. loving Cipollone was in the meetings. How is Roberts not angrily shouting at that dipshit to tell him exactly what he knows.. https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1223290139679567872
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Jan 31, 2020 18:08
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Also consider any senator with future presidential aspirations is going have this over their head in the future. Law and Order and Leadership platforms are shot for them. In the general election the Trump No vote will drat them. Nah, Law & Order has always only been intended to apply to the underclass, and people who believe in it have always understood that. Trump's acquittal is the greatest expression of the principal.
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That or they’re waiting for some ‘truthbomb’ or other bs magically leak against Biden. Maybe comey will return to announce Biden is under investigation lol
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refleks posted:God whoever handles this poo poo for Bolton is a loving PR mastermind. An incredibly lovely person, but the guy knows how to keep his client in the media. lmao Bolton is famously the master of evil bureaucratic knife-fighting (behind only like, Cheney) and it shows
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Jan 31, 2020 18:19
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Yeah for as much of a bastard Bolton is he's incredibly sharp and is feared in his circles for a reason
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Jan 31, 2020 18:19
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Jan 31, 2020 18:20
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So what's Bolton's game then? Just sell books? He could come out and say "ok I'll testify if the house asks me to." Then the senate would be forced to subpoena him
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Showing that his threat of knives in backs wasn't hollow.
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Taerkar posted:Showing that his threat of knives in backs wasn't hollow. Except the Republican's have made peace with their choice and will accept whatever knives in their backs which are delivered, willingly.
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oh also this article says that GIuliani said that George Kent was tied to Soros and Trump was trying to get him removed too
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oxsnard posted:So what's Bolton's game then? Just sell books? He could come out and say "ok I'll testify if the house asks me to." Then the senate would be forced to subpoena him
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eke out posted:i have no doubt that the white house wants this to go away, but the Senate is now interested in desperately retroactively trying to make it seem more legitimate by having "deliberations" and closing arguments and such like normal impeachments have It'll gently caress with the Iowa caucus two of the top three contenders are Senators (Warren and Sanders).
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InsertPotPun posted:I believe, the president's defense is "you have to let the courts decide and the courts do not have the authority to decide" Pretty much. They say to the Senate "you can't do that without a court's approval" and they say to the judge "you can't rule on that, it's the Senate's prerogative".
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Any chance this changes some calculations? Like for those that have already announced? Gardner or Alexander? I doubt it but man, the lead counsel being a firsthand witness is pretty hosed up.
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oxsnard posted:So what's Bolton's game then? Just sell books? He could come out and say "ok I'll testify if the house asks me to." Then the senate would be forced to subpoena him shows he doesn't joke around when he threatens you (something that, regardless of your view of him as a warmongering psychopath, everyone in DC knows is true which makes him one of the worst people to try to throw under a bus), establishes himself back into his old role of a 'principled conservative' disconnected from Trump World, and it generally probably feels really good to shove a shiv in the spine of the most powerful man on earth. Also selling books, yes, he's going to sell a lot of books and papa NEEDS his fancy mustache waxes!
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AhhYes posted:Any chance this changes some calculations? Like for those that have already announced? Gardner or Alexander? Does explain why they'd take such a lovely case tho.
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AhhYes posted:Any chance this changes some calculations? Like for those that have already announced? Gardner or Alexander? i mean we live in hell so you can assume no change is always the most likely outcome but it's pretty fantastic timing to make this vote even more toxic for them (and there should be plenty of debate time for Schiff to hammer this before the vote)
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Oracle posted:It'll gently caress with the Iowa caucus two of the top three contenders are Senators (Warren and Sanders). Also Klobuchar, whose supporters could move to Biden. She isn’t a contender but she still has a large base that could easily dissipate.
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