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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Rogue One would have been fine if they only had the mustafar scene or the ending corridor sequence, having both is too much imo The ending corridor sequence was apparently added in reshoots, so somebody agreed with you at some point.
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Dad Joke Vader is so bad and should've been cut out completely. Corridor Murder Vader is fanservicey as hell but cool enough that I love it anyway.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:19
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Actually the only thing wrong with Vader's appearance in this game is that he doesn't tell a dad joke.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:46
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Captain Hygiene posted:Dad Joke Vader is so bad and should've been cut out completely. Corridor Murder Vader is fanservicey as hell but cool enough that I love it anyway. Vader has always been a sassy bitch. Dad joke was totally fine.
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Jan 22, 2020 01:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orcWfrfz2fY Help me Games, you're my only hope
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I cant believe there was no way to fight the Binog. I found most of the boss fights trivial, final fight with Trilla being the exception. Took 3 or 4 tries, that loving sprint and grab for a million damage was cheap as hell. Quite a variety of moves, that was the most difficult part, aside from combat being poo poo in this game. The way you guys kept throwing around Kyle Katarn, I thought he was gonna be in there somehow. In my mind I thought for a moment that those games were old republic era or something, but then I remembered contact with Luke. It felt a lot better once I finally started to get into the meat of the story but that felt like only the last 10% or so. I think overall the game was just poorly executed. Combat unpolished. I actually had a thought like the monorail control operators and was like "thats it! I'll just disable the slow motion during combat!" Oh, that cant be done. I didn't even catch on to the precision evade until the last hour, but thats on me. Pretty cool once I started using it against bosses and poo poo and the kick did absolutely nothing and I just took more damage. Really wish the heavy attacks were uninterruptible, to a point at least. Too much of that poo poo from enemies without being able to do it yourself. By about an hour in I was well tired of squeezing through walls and all the tightrope walking, wall running etc. All that stuff was way too overused. I had high hopes for this game but ultimately it'll be lumped in with TFU. Maybe a tad better. I beat that poo poo once and basically remember nothing of it, didn't you use the force on a star destroyer? That was literally over 10 years ago, gently caress me. That was released closer to Jedi Outcast than this. gently caress.
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codo27 posted:I cant believe there was no way to fight the Binog. Jedi Outcast and Academy were good games, so it's entirely understandable you would remember them over "George Lucas Edgy Fanfiction: the game"
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codo27 posted:I cant believe there was no way to fight the Binog. Dude same. I went back post-game hoping there was going to be some way to do it but nope.
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Jan 22, 2020 03:09
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But it's a bro and nice guy.
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Jan 22, 2020 03:11
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codo27 posted:I cant believe there was no way to fight the Binog. I'm glad we don't because with the current combat system it would be huge clusterfuck of a fight not unlike the Ancient Dragon in DS2.
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Jan 22, 2020 03:49
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Fuzz posted:But it's a bro and nice guy. I 100% expected it to be evil and somehow in league with the Sith
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Jan 22, 2020 03:59
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It's really hosed up that video game devs would show the player a giant monster and not let us murder it
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It’s likely one of the last in the galaxy. If anything, this game should’ve let you befriend more creatures. Lots of Jedi do that.
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Fojar38 posted:It's really hosed up that video game devs would show the player a giant monster and not let us murder it Gotta leave room for the sequel!
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Captain Hygiene posted:Dad Joke Vader is so bad and should've been cut out completely. Corridor Murder Vader is fanservicey as hell but cool enough that I love it anyway. The Vader comic series has taught us that Vader is 100% about the dad jokes. Dude gives no shits - and the Vader going nuts on the force and hurling things around is also his "I'm loving tired of this nonsense" mode. also worth noting, this would be happening around the same time as Rebels and the Aphra comic series, so his inquisitors are meant to be his way of potentially killing Palpatine and taking over the Empire as Sith apprentices are wont to do - and they just keep loving up and getting themselves murdered by these blasted escaped padawans/young jedi with minimal training and no real competence that he can detect. Think about how infuriating that must be.
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Vader's version of training the inquisitors is to cut them up until they fight better, so, not really that effective.
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wiegieman posted:Vader's version of training the inquisitors is to cut them up until they fight better, so, not really that effective. I mean, it worked when Obi-wan trained him...
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...Is Vader really trying to get an apprentice going with the Inquisition that can help him oppose Palpy? I always assumed after Padme died he just kinda gave up his depose Palpy plan because he lost the will to live, combined with all the life threatening injuries. I always took the Inquisition to be more of a Palpy idea than anything TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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TulliusCicero posted:...Is Vader really trying to get an apprentice going with the Inqusition that can help him oppose Palpy? The inquisition isn't for apprentices. The inquisition is literally, "let me make a bunch of people to go hunt the Jedi for me because gently caress doing all that legwork myself." The whole story of Vader after RotS up until the end of ANH is that he just doesn't really care anymore and it's just this scarred up angry dude. Finding out about Luke's existence is what makes him suddenly step up his game and seriously give a poo poo again.
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FWIW, the first two collections of the immediately after RotS Darth Vader comics are free if you have amazon prime. I'd link, but phone posting and  Edit: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MHVZZZQ is the first 12 issues of it. I liked them! drgnvale fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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TulliusCicero posted:...Is Vader really trying to get an apprentice going with the Inquisition that can help him oppose Palpy? according to the inquisition comics, Vader has basically no understanding of how the Sith worked. Palpatine has promised to teach him, but hasn't, and instead has had Vader running all over the place killing old Jedi while Palp is sucking up Sith/Jedi artifacts like a Hoover. Vader catches on, so he builds the Inquisition out of mostly untrained force sensitives and a handful of fallen Jedi/Jedi Padawans and has them hunt down new sensitives/escaped padawas etc. while he tries to figure out this whole Sith thing. At the same time, he's grooming those who show promise to help him take on Palp because he can feel a looming conflict - one that was going to happen, but then the events of Rebels spoils both Palps and Vaders plans, and then Vader finds Luke and realizes his kids are alive and we know the rest. As to the other poster - teaching Sith apprentices by making them hate you, then kicking their asses in combat until they either kill you or get so strong you have to kill them to win is the Sith way. Either your apprentice has become a master, or you get stronger from that final conflict.
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TheAnomaly posted:according to the inquisition comics, Vader has basically no understanding of how the Sith worked. Palpatine has promised to teach him, but hasn't, and instead has had Vader running all over the place killing old Jedi while Palp is sucking up Sith/Jedi artifacts like a Hoover. Vader catches on, so he builds the Inquisition out of mostly untrained force sensitives and a handful of fallen Jedi/Jedi Padawans and has them hunt down new sensitives/escaped padawas etc. while he tries to figure out this whole Sith thing. Huh, that's actually really interesting. I love the idea of Vader being like "so what exactly do I do as a Sith anyway?" "NOT NOW, I'M BUILDING MY DOOMSDAY WEAPON! MUAHAHAHAHA" Vader saying "gently caress this" and trying to figure out how to be a Sith and undermine Palpy puts a lot of things in more light, like his castle on Mustafar and his attempts to train the Inquisitors in some way, but's he's really just winging it Hell it puts his actions in Rebels in a new light: is he trying to get the Sith weapon on Malachor V for Palps or for himself? Was he serious about trying to get Ahsoka to turn, because he thought she would be helpful (and he genuinely seemed to have some residual feelings for her)? That makes Vader way more interesting TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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TulliusCicero posted:Huh, that's actually really interesting. I love the idea of Vader being like "so what exactly do I do as a Sith anyway?" "NOT NOW, I'M BUILDING MY DOOMSDAY WEAPON! MUAHAHAHAHA" The fact of the matter is that after Vader ended up in the suit, the Emperor really just got tired of him quickly and mostly despised the fact that where he was going to have the chosen one as his apprentice he now had a broke rear end cyborg loser who was less than half as powerful as he could have been. So yeah, not unlike a disinterested parent, Palpy went off and did his own thing and left his ward to his own devices with only vague instructions, and like an unsupervised child with anger issues Vader went and started a gang, then tried to find ways to better understand his Sith Dad, then grew frustrated and bitter and instead decided he didn't need his Sith Dad and he could smash the guy.
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Ugh are all these plot points real? Why do they feel the need to do this to the character. Vader had a perfect arc in the original trilogy. Not that it’s the new stuffs fault the prequels were the stupidest when it came to him turning to the dark side. He wants to save padme so much that he literally murders children, then suddenly starts choking her like crazy?? Did he not think padme might react badly to the children getting murdered? None of it makes any sense his motivation is so dumb. Then he gets all cyborged up and is like hey where padme and instead of being like “the Jedi betrayed her and that’s why she died” which would give him some reason to keep on with the whole evil sith thing Palestine says something like “in your anger you killed her” which would, if anything, make him regret turning to the dark side. So dumb. I don’t wanna hear any “they explained it in a book” nonsense. Anakins motivation makes now sense. Now he’s obsessed with getting closer to his evil wizard dad through going to church at his death cult?
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Palpatine stokes hatred. Self hatred because you killed your gf counts. Vader experiencing pain and misery works for Palpatine because he doesn't want a real friend, he just wants a dog. Anakin didn't really make a choice to turn, he's just being manipulated by evil dad, which makes it easier to accept that once Luke kills space Hitler they all have a ghost hang and everything is fine. Basically Darth Vader is just super 
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Tom Tucker posted:Ugh are all these plot points real? Why do they feel the need to do this to the character. Vader had a perfect arc in the original trilogy. Good news: you can skip the tangential material and ignore the movies you don't like!
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Captain Hygiene posted:Good news: you can skip the tangential material and ignore the movies you don't like! We both know that’s not true. Just like Vader I am motivated by my own self loathing and a desperate attempt to recapture the magic of my past.
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Tom Tucker posted:We both know that’s not true. Just like Vader I am motivated by my own self loathing and a desperate attempt to recapture the magic of my past. Show us on the doll where Space Hitler touched you.
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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-01-30-star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-has-sold-around-8m-units Pretty good. GI posted:During its Q3 earnings call with investors following the company's quarterly financial results, the publisher announced that Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order had sold "beyond our projections for the quarter," and later reiterated the result by saying it "hit the high-end" of its expected sales.
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Lookin forward to the half budget featureless sequel with six episode season DLC.
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Fuzz posted:The fact of the matter is that after Vader ended up in the suit, the Emperor really just got tired of him quickly and mostly despised the fact that where he was going to have the chosen one as his apprentice he now had a broke rear end cyborg loser who was less than half as powerful as he could have been. I thought Palpatine intentionally capped Vaders powers in his cyborg suit so Vader could never best him because Palpatine was the fulfillment of the "Rule of 2" and lol at anyone killing me I'm the god drat Emperor.
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Um actually, I believe you'll find that Vader having a deathbed repentance and killing him after decades of service was in fact also part of Sheev's plan
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Captain Hygiene posted:Um actually, I believe you'll find that Vader having a deathbed repentance and killing him after decades of service was in fact also part of Sheev's plan The one thing that Sheev actually failed to forsee is that Leia would actually bang Han Solo. He was counting on Luke and Leia keeping the bloodline pure.
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haldolium posted:https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-01-30-star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-has-sold-around-8m-units Happy days! A sequel with tighter controls would be sweet. I loved The Force Unleashed. TFU2 wasn't as good a game in most respects but the controls were waaaaay more responsive. Hopefully these new Zen 2 consoles will make those Jaguar APUs pay for their crimes, eh?
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I still don’t know what people mean when they say tighter controls. It seems like that means the Platinum style where you can cancel anything into anything but Jedi deliberately did not do that. I never had problems with timing parries outside of my own mistakes so I can’t really speak to that. The system Jedi uses and the system Platinum uses are both valid. There’s certainly some important things the game could have explained better - the delay between raising and lowering a block which means you can’t tap the block button to parry multiple fast attacks, you don’t have to hold a direction to do a quick dodge (which actively hampers a late game ability of you don’t know that) - but that isn’t a function of the controls. The only thing I ever had consistent trouble with was timing the jumps properly on a few specific parts of the slides where it seemed the “right” place to jump to give you the air time to reach the next slide was smaller than it should have been.
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Kibayasu posted:I still don’t know what people mean when they say tighter controls. It seems like that means the Platinum style where you can cancel anything into anything but Jedi deliberately did not do that. I never had problems with timing parries outside of my own mistakes so I can’t really speak to that. The system Jedi uses and the system Platinum uses are both valid. It did do that - Just not for you, the player. That's why the combat is kinda not good.
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I never noticed anything like that from regular stormtroopers to giant spiders to bosses.
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Kibayasu posted:I never noticed anything like that from regular stormtroopers to giant spiders to bosses. Bosses and enemies totally animation cancel the gently caress out of you. Good that it didn't influence your enjoyment of this.
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I still get massive satisfaction every time I pull off a Precision Dodge - all dem free i-frames
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Bosses and enemies totally animation cancel the gently caress out of you. I’d love to see examples is all. I don’t remember ever parrying something, dodging something, or having an attack blocked immediately followed by something like that.
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