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Skeezy posted:Fantastical 3.0 is out today. They moved to a subscription model, $5 a month or $40 a year. lol not a loving chance
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Thanks for the heads-up; I'll be keeping those as Fantastical 2.0 until those nags get taken out.
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Jan 30, 2020 01:56
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I wonder if I subscribe they will fix the recurring reminder tick bug. They claimed to fix it months ago but it still doesn’t always work.
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Jan 30, 2020 03:14
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What’s the rules for needing to provide an Apple login? I thought if it offered Facebook and had been updated since x date they had to do it, but I’ve had exactly one app let me use it. It’s a great idea that I’m completely nonsurprised nobody is supporting. Also, if the phone suggests a password during an app signup and I use it... where is it stored? I looked up the domain name for the app in the phone App Passwords list and it’s not there. I tried logging in on the website and it didn’t auto suggest, so now I can’t log in anywhere except the app without a password reset. Great!
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Jan 30, 2020 03:45
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EL BROMANCE posted:What’s the rules for needing to provide an Apple login? I thought if it offered Facebook and had been updated since x date they had to do it, but I’ve had exactly one app let me use it. It’s a great idea that I’m completely nonsurprised nobody is supporting. It should be stored in the iCloud Keychain.
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Jan 30, 2020 03:48
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EL BROMANCE posted:Also, if the phone suggests a password during an app signup and I use it... where is it stored? I looked up the domain name for the app in the phone App Passwords list and it’s not there. I tried logging in on the website and it didn’t auto suggest, so now I can’t log in anywhere except the app without a password reset. Great! I'm curious about your phone suggesting a shady back-alley password to you to begin with.
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Jan 30, 2020 03:49
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MarcusSA posted:It should be stored in the iCloud Keychain. I’ll see if I can locate on my Mac, ta. astral posted:I'm curious about your phone suggesting a shady back-alley password to you to begin with. Why wouldn’t it? That’s regular behavior. Used to be a Safari only thing, but now it does it in apps too. The Apple keychain system is generally excellent, I’ve never felt the need to go 3rd party.
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Jan 30, 2020 03:54
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Weedle posted:These developers are in loving fantasy land if they think their app is worth five dollars a month. I would pay $5/mo for a calendar app that actually crosses off the loving days but apparently that's impossible for an app to do.
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Jan 30, 2020 05:33
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astral posted:I'm curious about your phone suggesting a shady back-alley password to you to begin with. It’s part of the iCloud Keychain. How is that “back-alley”?
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Jan 30, 2020 06:45
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I just bought Fantastical last week, I sure feel like a sucker. I know most of all of the features are still free but getting ads for the paid sub when I accidentally click on something I expect to be there is a big gently caress no from me Back to Google Calendar since the stock Apple one has a terrible monthly full screen view
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Jan 30, 2020 06:55
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Proteus Jones posted:It’s part of the iCloud Keychain. How is that “back-alley”? OP's phone suggested a password and they don't know where it lives. At first glance, is that anything but shady? My phone's never done that, but I also don't use iCloud Keychain so your explanation does make sense.
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Jan 30, 2020 07:12
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Just tap on login with Apple ID or whatever it’s called and it’ll fill in the password it generated. That’s how it works for apps anyways.
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Jan 30, 2020 07:15
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astral posted:OP's phone suggested a password and they don't know where it lives. At first glance, is that anything but shady? I presume most apps have something that tells the phone ‘this password you’re saving should be stored under abcdefg.com’, but this one didn’t, or it’s configured incorrectly. So I couldn’t locate it in the password list. Boris Galerkin posted:Just tap on login with Apple ID or whatever it’s called and it’ll fill in the password it generated. That’s how it works for apps anyways. There was no option to use Apple ID, my post was about two separate things and one of them was saying how Apple ID just doesn’t seem to be appearing anywhere. It’s a shame, because it’s good. E: I mean it’s no big deal, I did a password reset and used safari which saves it correctly. Just a weird bug. EL BROMANCE fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 07:25
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I appreciate that all the stuff from Fantastical 2 moves over to 3 but I’m not big on F3 pushing the premium sub heavy now. Would rather they put all that stuff in the settings and if I want to do that I’ll do it. Don’t want to be reminded constantly that a lot of the stuff is behind a sub now.
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Jan 30, 2020 14:33
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Skeezy posted:I appreciate that all the stuff from Fantastical 2 moves over to 3 but I’m not big on F3 pushing the premium sub heavy now. Would rather they put all that stuff in the settings and if I want to do that I’ll do it. Don’t want to be reminded constantly that a lot of the stuff is behind a sub now. Yeah, it kind of compromises the user experience when half the buttons on a screen just pop up a modal window asking for money. Vantage has an unusual interface but I've found it to be a decent alternative if you want something that combines your calendars and reminders. The full version is a one-time $10 unlock (for now, I suppose). Weedle fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 14:55
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Nairbo posted:I just bought Fantastical last week, I sure feel like a sucker. I know most of all of the features are still free but getting ads for the paid sub when I accidentally click on something I expect to be there is a big gently caress no from me I’ve owned F2 on iOS for years and just bit the bullet and bought it on MacOS literally last week. Was annoyed with the free release but because of my recent purchase, I have 6 months of free premium. Still my favourite calendar app. And still a quality one. I was more upset when OmniFocus went subscription right after I bought the Pro version and my separate purchases of my iPad, iPhone, and Mac all became pointless. I really hate this trend of subscription based merchandising. If I didn’t want to upgrade before, I could still use whatever program I wanted until they added a new feature that seemed interesting. Now I have no choice but to pay endlessly or lose access to everything I work on.
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Jan 30, 2020 15:26
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I totally sympathize with iOS app developers on the subscription pricing, it's a hell market to be in. I'm pretty happy with the Fantastical I had before today; I have no desire to pay for a version with new features, but I do want the version I have to be updated to work nicely with new OS features, new phone screen sizes, and so on. My virtual keyboard was hosed for months (floating awkwardly in the middle of the screen) after I switched phones to a 10R. The $5 I spent 5 years ago probably isn't covering the costs to do those fixes. There's also no way I'd pay $200 to have used Fantastical over that 5-year time frame. I guess we'll see if "limited and free for most, expensive subscription for power users" does better.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:26
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I *sympathize* and totally agree that people putting in work for a thing I use should be paid, I just think they need to be realistic about their market. But I guess if they've decided their market is business users, then so be it.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:49
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I’ve really soured on Fantastical after this. My app updated this morning and completely butchered my calendar setup where I had to spend 10 minutes getting it back to how it was. Then I tried opening the app on my Apple Watch and it broke the app on my phone and wouldn’t let me back in until I signed up for an account. Did that but the Watch app is still busted. I also really think it’s a crap experience to have all the premium features in your face all the time even after you’ve paid for a previous version.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:56
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Red_Fred posted:Then I tried opening the app on my Apple Watch and it broke the app on my phone and wouldn’t let me back in until I signed up for an account. Did that but the Watch app is still busted. This has me pissed off the most. Haven't seen the nag screens yet, but if they're as intrusive as I fear they are, I'll probably end up using the stock app on iOS/Watch. The OmniFocus Web situation just lead me to moving over to Things, which ended up being better for my needs. (If Omni Group fucks with OmniGraffle like this, I will loving riot)
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Jan 31, 2020 06:24
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hey girl you up posted:I totally sympathize with iOS app developers on the subscription pricing, it's a hell market to be in. Yeah, but ignoring the actual payment model, they always switch from $5-10 one time to something obscene like $100 a year. And if I was paying monthly for all the apps that started asking for that in the last years, I‘d be paying as much for a few productivity apps as I’m paying for iPhones including the entirety of iOS. Now I’m just back to stock Calendar, Mail and Notes/OneNote.
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Jan 31, 2020 10:03
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cebrail posted:Yeah, but ignoring the actual payment model, they always switch from $5-10 one time to something obscene like $100 a year. And if I was paying monthly for all the apps that started asking for that in the last years, I‘d be paying as much for a few productivity apps as I’m paying for iPhones including the entirety of iOS. Now I’m just back to stock Calendar, Mail and Notes/OneNote. Name an app that went from $5-10 one time to $100 a year. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 10:59
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If you’re going to complain about something why not complain about things that are actually real? What app went from $5-$10 to $100/year that you’re complaining about? Or are you just bullshitting? Like what would you think if I said I’m upset that iPhone prices have gone up so much, that it used to be $199 or whatever and now they are like $3000 for the 64GB model. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 14:00
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Proteus Jones posted:The OmniFocus Web situation just lead me to moving over to Things, which ended up being better for my needs. What’s this web situation about?
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Jan 31, 2020 14:59
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Boris Galerkin posted:Like what would you think if I said I’m upset that iPhone prices have gone up so much, that it used to be $199 or whatever and now they are like $3000 for the 64GB model. I would think, "hells yeah, now's my chance to be a totally useless pedant like that Boris Galerkin guy in the iOS Apps thread" as I furiously typed a post up demanding that you show evidence to support your ridiculous claim.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:26
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sleepwalkers posted:What’s this web situation about? They basically moved OmniFocus to a web app and subscription based. And apparently that's the future for OmniFocus now. I'm less upset about the sub than I am moving your data to a WebApp. I can't complain about prices too much since work picked up the tab for Omni Group stuff on all my devices. I'll admit I'm a little stunned at Fantastical going "here's an update, by the way it's now subscription for premium features". That's a bold move. I'll withhold my judgement on it until I play with it more, but if I find it useful I'll probably end up subscribing. Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 19:25
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Proteus Jones posted:I'll admit I'm a little stunned at Fantastical going "here's an update, by the way it's now subscription for premium features". That's a bold move. I'll withhold my judgement on it until I play with it more, but if I find it useful I'll probably end up subscribing. The worst part of it is their "poor pitiful us" act as they get assaulted by the users that funded those upgrades in the first place, and are now putting their full fist up our asses(without even asking). Acting like they're doing us some kind of favor by providing access to features that we already had without need a subscription.
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Jan 31, 2020 20:43
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Yeah I just deleted the app and went to google calendar for now (all my calendars are on google) and will ignore anything the fantastical goofballs do in the future.
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Jan 31, 2020 20:59
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priznat posted:Yeah I just deleted the app and went to google calendar for now (all my calendars are on google) and will ignore anything the fantastical goofballs do in the future. Yeah, I'm leaning that way now. I tried giving it a chance, but my patience is all gone after they hosed up the Watch app. Looks like I'll be using the stock calendar until I can find a good replacement.
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Jan 31, 2020 21:03
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I was prepared to try it for about thirty seconds before I tried to open the year view and it told me that was a premium feature. I actually said "ha!" aloud. I'm not paying a loving subscription fee for poo poo my phone could already do the instant I turned it on.
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Jan 31, 2020 22:44
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Weedle posted:I was prepared to try it for about thirty seconds before I tried to open the year view and it told me that was a premium feature. I actually said "ha!" aloud. I'm not paying a loving subscription fee for poo poo my phone could already do the instant I turned it on. Looks like they pushed through another update that stops you from accessing the year view at all if you're not premium. Feels a lot better than having it show up and then just spring away
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Feb 1, 2020 00:19
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Are there any apple blogs that are actually talking about this and including the criticism? It was kind of eye opening to see all of the blogs on my RSS reader talking about how revolutionary and transformative this update is and yes it makes perfect sense to pay a sub for a better looking apple calendar app.
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Feb 1, 2020 00:24
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I have zero issue with them having a go at creating a new subscription service for an amazing sexy app or whatever but don’t gently caress me over on something I had already purchased and was just fine with as it was. I don’t need the new features I was good but to take away stuff I was perfectly happy with as is? That’s loving bullshit and it will really affect if I pay for apps in the future. I think Fantastical was like $10 too? Sheesh.
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priznat posted:I think Fantastical was like $10 too? Sheesh. I paid $40 for my Mac license.
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Feb 1, 2020 00:48
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XBenedict posted:I paid $40 for my Mac license. $50 on Mac. I paid for Fantasical 1 and for Fantastical 2 but I just can't do it again since they butchered the watch and iOS versions so bad.
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Feb 1, 2020 00:50
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I pay $11 a year for the Timepage calendar app and it does everything I need in ways the stock Calendar app can’t. With Fantastical’s large user base they could gone for a more reasonable yearly subscription (  + ) and made plenty of money to support further app development. This pricing is just odd. Maybe they have volume corporate licensing separate from the App Store and this isn’t as large a chunk of their revenue as we might otherwise think.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I pay $11 a year for the Timepage calendar app and it does everything I need in ways the stock Calendar app can’t. Todoist has been doing cheap subs for years, quite successfully. E: Fixed lame autocorrect XBenedict fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 01:56
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What should I as a cheapskate use as a replacement for fantastical?
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Is there another app where you type/dictate the details of a new calendar event into a single field and it reliably parses out the name, time, date, etc? That's my favorite fantastical feature
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