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Yeah, the Craig Bonds are utterly joyless affairs that at times feel to be actively punishing you for watching. They're simultaneously terrified of being mocked (whether for Austin Powersisms, peak Moore or Die Another Day awfulness), and open themselves up to mockery by being so grim and po-faced. Spectre was a genuinely miserable experience, with nobody involved seeming to want to be there. Craig, obviously, but also Sam Mendes. "I don't want to direct another one of these." "Here's a truckload of money." "Eh..." "And we'll let you do absolutely anything you want, no matter how self-indulgent and expensive." "Weeeell... I've got some ideas, but they'll cost over a quarter of a billion dolla-" "Yours!" And that loving dreadful dirge of a theme song was easily the worst of the series. Yes, even beating 'Moonraker' or 'All Time High'. (We won't even get into the regressiveness of killing off Dench's M and resetting the clock to the last hurrah of British imperialism, as represented by putting MI6 back into the 1960s offices with a stuffy white guy in charge.)
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Even Gritty Realistic Bond was done better in Living Daylights anyway. You Only Live Twice is still the best Bond, because it's the one that set up the most cliches.
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Skyfall is good because it's a good blend of serious spy action and dumb cheesy nonsense, and doesn't lean too far in either direction. The two good themes are You Know My Name and Radiohead's unused Spectre theme. And Garbage.
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I think the last bond film I saw was tomorrow never dies. I've actually never seen one that didn't have pierce brosnan in it. So my favourite bond film is probably mrs doubtfire.
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Feb 2, 2020 17:14
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Aidan_702 posted:https://t.co/elCKF6XJEz?amp=1 What's so bad about these guys?
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I feel like I'm in a minority when I say that I really quite like the Brosnan Bond movies. I really like Licence to Kill as a theme tune as well.
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I don't really remember much about them but I like to think that the MI5 building can lauch a rocket boat out of one of its walls and hit the thames. And that that's how the boss goes home every day.
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lol my next door neighbours have put up an England flag in their front windowstev posted:The two good themes are You Know My Name and Radiohead's unused Spectre theme. And Garbage. and Sheryl Crow
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marktheando posted:The best Bonds are Casino Royale, Goldeneye, and most of the Connery ones.  Edit: Goldfinger does the Casino Royale thing of having Bond be an absolute dipshit who gets by purely on luck and the pity of his enemies, so it would be one of the best if not for Bond doing sex crimes in it Pilchenstein fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Feb 2, 2020 17:33
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The DPRK posted:What's so bad about these guys? They pretend to be for the people, but are snapping up buildings and government contracts for themselves.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't really remember much about them but I like to think that the MI5 building can lauch a rocket boat out of one of its walls and hit the thames. MI6 building. Also you can see one of my legs for one frame in that (geographically and hydrologically stupid) chase scene. e: Someone did once point out that there's an underground river and CSO almost directly under Vauxhall Cross so they could actually have access to the river for their rocket boat fleet if they wanted.
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Pilchenstein posted:Edit: Goldfinger does the Casino Royale thing of having Bond be an absolute dipshit who gets by purely on luck and the pity of his enemies, so it would be one of the best if not for Bond doing sex crimes in it I mean if we're only picking Bonds without sex crimes then you're left with a pretty short list
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Julio Cruz posted:I mean if we're only picking Bonds without sex crimes then you're left with a pretty short list
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Aidan_702 posted:I’m extremely peeved the guardian wrote this - the Irish were successfully keeping the knowledge of this abominable family from the rest of the world happyhippy posted:Problem with Bond is that Austin Powers ruined it. Like with Airplane and the airport disaster movie, or Blazing Saddles and the formulaic black hat white hat western, or Scary Movie and teen slashers it was necessary for the time. e: goddamnedtwisto posted:Where's the missile-armed autogyro I wouldn't worry though, it'll only fly after they've finished restoring the Norton. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Feb 2, 2020 17:47
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Julio Cruz posted:I mean if we're only picking Bonds without sex crimes then you're left with a pretty short list I'm always torn on whether Connery's a better bond than Roger Moore because he actually has some charisma, or if that just makes the lovely stuff worse
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Guavanaut posted:Like with Airplane and the airport disaster movie, or Blazing Saddles and the formulaic black hat white hat western, or Scary Movie and teen slashers it was necessary for the time. Scream is a much better send-up of slasher movies.
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happyhippy posted:Problem with Bond is that Austin Powers ruined it.
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Aidan_702 posted:https://t.co/elCKF6XJEz?amp=1 Oh, knowledge of this family spread years ago. Back in 2016 in Ottawa I remember discussions about how changing electoral systems from first-past-the-post to various proportional systems could change campaigning strategies. Showing Irish campaign ads was a way to show it; including, obviously, Michael Healy--Rae's little jingle.
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The DPRK posted:What's so bad about these guys? The article (apart from ignoring how they actively cultivate an image of being men of the people sorts while benefiting hugely from financial projects) also ignores their connections with some unsavoury types. John Delaney was head of the FAI (Ireland’s Football Association) for decades. He has been outsted when it was discovered that the organisation was super broke with their being huge questions over where all the money has gone. The Haely Rae’s were big defenders of John all the time, and now that he has been exposed have fallen into a “he had us all fooled. Who could have known he was so dodgy.” Routine that is being accepted in his local Kerry.
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Blazing Saddles is the ur-example of a parody being so perfect and hitting every single note that it ruins an entire genre in it's wake. No-one can do a happy, family friendly western anymore, because it'll just immediately be crushed by the gravity of Blazing Saddles.
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I wonder if This Is Spinal Tap didn't quite have that same quality because about 99% of it really could and probably has happened with touring bands.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Blazing Saddles is the ur-example of a parody being so perfect and hitting every single note that it ruins an entire genre in it's wake. No-one can do a happy, family friendly western anymore, because it'll just immediately be crushed by the gravity of Blazing Saddles. Airplane also crushed the disaster movie genre for a time. Mostly because 75% of the script was from an actual disaster movie.
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namesake posted:I wonder if This Is Spinal Tap didn't quite have that same quality because about 99% of it really could and probably has happened with touring bands. To the point where the actors, almost every time they meet a musician of that era, are asked "Who told you about that?" because with the (possible) exception of the exploding drummer every single thing in it has in fact happened to multiple bands. Some of it is just old lore they've picked up (the Stonehenge thing allegedly about a set ordered for Black Sabbath that was too big to fit on the stage because of a missed decimal point, for example), some of it just stuff that happens to anyone touring venues ("HELLO CLEVELAND!") but most of it is because heavy metal is a loving ridiculous genre and multiplied by the sheer amount of bands touring in the 70s and 80s, fundamentally any stupid poo poo you can think up, from the pods not opening to the "Puppet Show - and Spinal Tap" will have happened multiple times at some point.
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Guavanaut posted:Hidden under an enormous black cap. It's a problem in the way they can't just do stupid campy poo poo again. Bond can't do stupid poo poo today like dress up as a clown to get to a nuclear bomb, or have two space armies firing lasers on a moonbase. It would be laughed out of the place. And a major facet of Bond's uniqueness is hosed too, the gadgets. Once upon a time we were amazed that they could fit a radio, or small bomb into a shoe heel. The best today is an app to drive a car from your phone. Mission Impossible beats Bond with its gadgets too. JAM TROUSERS! loving useless Q.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Airplane also crushed the disaster movie genre for a time. Mostly because 75% of the script was from an actual disaster movie. Any excuse to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjU-e01zQ4 Also to remind everyone that almost every actor on it had been in multiple lovely disaster movies already, and that's what makes it the best comedy film ever made - everything that's followed (ironically including most of ZAZ and Leslie Nielson's work) isn't as good because the actors are trying to be funny rather than give it the utter seriousness that it needs.
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Goldeneye was legitimately good. Tomorrow Never Dies accurately predicted the risk of false narratives in Media and Social Media to society as a whole, but was otherwise mediocre.
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Gorn Myson posted:I love it when this happens. Its the same with Walk Hard being so good at mocking its source material that its impossible to take similar movies seriously.
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happyhippy posted:It's a problem in the way they can't just do stupid campy poo poo again. we just brexited and this is our future
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Servetus posted:Goldeneye was legitimately good. Tomorrow Never Dies accurately predicted the risk of false narratives in Media and Social Media to society as a whole, but was otherwise mediocre. Tomorrow Never Dies accurately predicted that Steve Jobs was evil as all hell.
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Servetus posted:Goldeneye was legitimately good. Tomorrow Never Dies accurately predicted the risk of false narratives in Media and Social Media to society as a whole, but was otherwise mediocre. "Predicted"? It's literally the USS Maine incident with added technobabble. There is nothing new under the sun.
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namesake posted:I wonder if This Is Spinal Tap didn't quite have that same quality because about 99% of it really could and probably has happened with touring bands. Watch Anvil! The Story of Anvil for the perfect example of this, because it really did mostly happen to them. Also Galaxy Quest managed to succeed.
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Galaxy Quest is one of my fave films and and my favourite fact about it is is that Patrick Stewart expected it to be poo poo when he went in to the cinema but loved it
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They should just adapt the old Game Boy Bond game into a film, iirc the story in that kinda ruled a lot Alternatively, as a thread we should collaborate, bit by bit, on a Truly Good Bond Script For 2020
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Galaxy Quest is one of my fave films and and my favourite fact about it is is that Patrick Stewart expected it to be poo poo when he went in to the cinema but loved it George Takei claims he was threatened with being thrown out of the cinema he was laughing so hard at it, but the best reaction was Shatner, who said something like "I thought it was chillingly accurate, apart from Tim Allen, I had no idea what he was trying to do".
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Cerv posted:did the crossword setter have access to the same big red ‘stop brexit’ button that Corbyn refused to push? The Graun, being a media organisation, definitely had significant influence over the election and the coverage of Corbyn for the last few years, so yeah, kind of. I don't know if the result would have changed if they hadn't been loving about, nobody can, but it might have. The crossword setter specifically, probably not. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Galaxy Quest is one of my fave films and and my favourite fact about it is is that Patrick Stewart expected it to be poo poo when he went in to the cinema but loved it Galaxy Quest is minor evidence that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Airplane is amazing though, and a film I had so much fun watching with my kids. After watching Jaws with them, which felt age-inappropriate (they are 8 and 10) and, at the same time, incredibly mild compared to most 20xx movies and shows.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I don't have a dog in the fight regarding Eilish, but are these award shows really anything more than corporate media interests slapping each other on the back? It fully is, but each year's the same thing, so it's comparing like with like. Galaxy Quest is one of the all-time greats.
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At some point, the Graun's begging for money requests at the bottom of each article is going to be longer than the article it's attached to
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Galaxy Quest is one of my fave films and and my favourite fact about it is is that Patrick Stewart expected it to be poo poo when he went in to the cinema but loved it If you haven't already seen it you might like to look up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cVvN28UXE
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