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Looks like every candidate is having a super bowl party in iowa. Gonna be crazy here. Especially since so many places hold like 100 people and Bernie and Klob expect over lol. Also looks like Pete got the endorsement of every black mayor in Iowa. Its crazy here too my doors been knocked 5 times in 2 days for candidates.
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Yeah this would be an easier ride if the good candidate was either polling 2nd to last or double digits ahead of others. I suppose that's kind of what people thought was happening in 2016 though and that complacency probably had a real impact in the results so the upside of close polling is maybe we're all scared shitless into doing whatever needs to be done.
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Feb 2, 2020 21:34
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mcmagic posted:Socialism is a term that has really lost all meaning. If Biden was the nominee the Republicans would 100% call him a Socialist. Pretty much. The socialism boogeyman has become something of a non-starter for much of the country. You can say those 65+ still hold a stigma for it because of being around during the peak propaganda anti-Communist Cold War but I think even that is starting to be less of an issue. If Bernie gets the nomination that ability to use Socialist as a slur on the Right will basically be null.
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mutata posted:Yeah this would be an easier ride if the good candidate was either polling 2nd to last or double digits ahead of others.
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Feb 2, 2020 21:38
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Ironically, the right declaring everything socialist until the word lost any meaning probably did quite a bit to rehabilitate the term. "Socialism means I won't go bankrupt from getting the flu, my boss has to at least pretend I'm a human being, and someone will finally fix the drat roads? I'm in."
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Feb 2, 2020 21:40
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El Grillo posted:What was the polling like at this stage in 2016, out of interest? Close. Bernie over performed and resulted in a near tie in the actual vote. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html
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Feb 2, 2020 21:41
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Even the closest numbers I've seen(this supposed correct cernovich scoop) put Bernie comfortably ahead, and he has a history of outperforming polls in Iowa, last time by 4 points if I recall correctly. I feel really and truly certain that Bernie is going to win by a nice margin tomorrow, but I feel that way because I see an intensity to peoples' support of Bernie and his campaign that far outstrips anything I've seen before. It feels different. Obviously I'll be loving devastated if they wind up ratfucking bernie again but for now I'm pretty hopeful about it. I *NEED* Bernie Sanders to win. My life will be made so much better by a Sanders presidency. It really pisses me off to try to listen to anyone who is speaking against Bernie because they're arguing against my life getting better, directly. And they're always so loving stupid and self assured. I had a guy at he bar last night say he "has a degree in poli sci" and so he really knows what he's talking about. I nodded and said "proceed, my dude" because I wanted to see where this was going(we wound up talking about it because I'm wearing a bunch of bernie sanders buttons that I made), and he went on about how Bernie couldn't win the primary or the general and that we're all way better off with a Trump presidency. I could tell he kept expecting it to get rude or weird or something but I wasn't on that vibe, but when I simply said "I don't think the statistics bear out what you're saying, but we probably get our news from different sources and likely don't trust each other's sources, so there's not much point arguing about it," he got all mad and walked away from me. Actually, the last thing I said was that I probably hate Hillary Clinton more than he does, maybe that pissed him off for some reason? I don't know man, republicans are weird.
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Acute Grill posted:Ironically, the right declaring everything socialist until the word lost any meaning probably did quite a bit to rehabilitate the term. "Socialism means I won't go bankrupt from getting the flu, my boss has to at least pretend I'm a human being, and someone will finally fix the drat roads? I'm in." At this point, socialist has come to mean free stuff, and everyone loves free stuff.
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Feb 2, 2020 21:41
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Cpt_Obvious posted:At this point, socialist has come to mean free stuff, and everyone loves free stuff. Not only that, but "free stuff visibly available in other functioning democracies" ("functioning" here being relative.to the state of the US government)
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Feb 2, 2020 21:45
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empty whippet box posted:Even the closest numbers I've seen(this supposed correct cernovich scoop) put Bernie comfortably ahead, and he has a history of outperforming polls in Iowa, last time by 4 points if I recall correctly. I feel really and truly certain that Bernie is going to win by a nice margin tomorrow, but I feel that way because I see an intensity to peoples' support of Bernie and his campaign that far outstrips anything I've seen before. It feels different. Sanders is gonna win, friend
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Feb 2, 2020 21:50
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Close. Bernie over performed and resulted in a near tie in the actual vote. hard to say if he "overperformed" due to caucus math, at my caucus site (and the neighboring one in the next room) every single o'malley caucuser went to bernie after they weren't viable
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Feb 2, 2020 21:53
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Djarum posted:Pretty much. The socialism boogeyman has become something of a non-starter for much of the country. You can say those 65+ still hold a stigma for it because of being around during the peak propaganda anti-Communist Cold War but I think even that is starting to be less of an issue. The right will continue to scream about how your taxes were raised slightly to pay for m4a. The SECOND M4A is passed it will become a 3rd rail so hot that even standing near it would instantly kill a political campaign and the republicans drat well know it. That’s why they are so afraid of M4A.
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if Sanders loses I'm gonna become one of those disconnected people who hate politics. I mean I already despise politics but if he loses I'm gonna do everything in my power to avoid it indefinitely because gently caress it It feels in a lot of ways that this is my extinct ioj event. One last powerful burst of caring and then I'll be free GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Feb 2, 2020 22:04
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Concerned Citizen posted:hard to say if he "overperformed" due to caucus math, at my caucus site (and the neighboring one in the next room) every single o'malley caucuser went to bernie after they weren't viable Edit: w/e dude.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:05
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1224076611466792962
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Feb 2, 2020 22:12
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Why doesnt he just throw in with the other Massachusetts democratic candidate, Deval Patrick?
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Feb 2, 2020 22:15
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That loser wanting to hop in would cost him millions of dollars at Bank of America so it’s not gonna happen.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:17
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Do it bitxh
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Feb 2, 2020 22:20
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What loving planet does this guy live on. https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1223259912412725249
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Feb 2, 2020 22:20
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Spiffster posted:That loser wanting to hop in would cost him millions of dollars at Bank of America so it’s not gonna happen. He's also blown roughly 69,000 deadlines... which he should probably know about without having to call anyone.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:20
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"We're going to stop Bernie by totally diluting the non-Sanders vote" thought the masters of the universe.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:What loving planet does this guy live on. Putting aside the factuality of that sentiment dipping into the deep negatives, I don't think you can really say something like that for the campaign running on "Look at my dog! Isn't he cute?!"
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Feb 2, 2020 22:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:What loving planet does this guy live on. poo poo libs love to project onto their preferred politicians. Look at how they turned Nancy pelosi clapping into a subversive anti-trump symbol.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:23
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ratbert90 posted:The right will continue to scream about how your taxes were raised slightly to pay for m4a. Yup. You are a 100% correct. I believe in 1993 the internal GOP polling had universal healthcare to have something like a 93% approval rating. That is why it has been a systemic policy to try and stop it at all costs for decades now. They are well aware that the second it is implemented the approval will be so high they will never be able to touch it without bullshit like medicare, social security, etc.
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Vox Nihili posted:He's also blown roughly 69,000 deadlines... which he should probably know about without having to call anyone. (Stares at Bloomberg who has also missed deadlines and thinks he’s got a snowballs chance in hell)
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Verisimilidude posted:poo poo libs love to project onto their preferred politicians. Look at how they turned Nancy pelosi clapping into a subversive anti-trump symbol. At least that looked like she was mock clapping at him (and she was stupid not to lean into it). Warren is probably the weakest-willed person in the field. He made that tweet after her smearing Bernie blew up in her face.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:24
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Everyone is worrying about the wrong thing. Bernie will win tomorrow. Between his poll numbers, ground game, and nature of caucuses, he is perfectly positioned. Bernie will also win NH. The problem is what comes after that - Mayo Pete and Klobs aren't really equipped to go to NV, SC, and then super Tuesday, and after Bernie wins the first two contests there will be enormous pressure for the moderate wing of the party to coalesce behind a single candidate. If Biden picks up a win in SC, then you have a battle on your hands. It's probably better for Bernie to win by smaller margins in these first 3 contests to give everyone a reason to go into Super Tuesday at full swing.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:26
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Groovelord Neato posted:What loving planet does this guy live on. I guess that's why she didn't punch Bernie after he called her a liar on national TV.
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Spiffster posted:(Stares at Bloomberg who has also missed deadlines and thinks he’s got a snowballs chance in hell) Kerry is a few billion short of that gambit.
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February 4, 2020. Deep in the basement of the DNC war room a chain-smoking man in a yellowing white shirt looks up blearily from a mountain of spreadsheets, figures and reports. He sighs deeply and reaches for a red telephone labeled "Chris Dodd."
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Office Pig posted:Putting aside the factuality of that sentiment dipping into the deep negatives, I don't think you can really say something like that for the campaign running on "Look at my dog! Isn't he cute?!" The dog would make a better president, dogs are naturally empathetic
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Feb 2, 2020 22:29
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I heard on npr on my way home from the laundromat that the South Carolina Black Women's caucus or something like that endorsed Tom Steyer
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Feb 2, 2020 22:30
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I still have not been able to grasp what Big Structural Bailey meant. That insanity should've tanked her campaign.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:30
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Warren could only scrape up 500 people to attend an event on the ISU campus (36,000 total enrollment) Just lol https://twitter.com/KimNorvellDMR/status/1224077552689590272?s=20
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Groovelord Neato posted:I still have not been able to grasp what Big Structural Bailey meant. That insanity should've tanked her campaign. https://twitter.com/KimNorvellDMR/status/1224081806166777856?s=20
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Calibanibal posted:Honestly I think we socialists face far worse in terms of persecution today. If this is a reference to Jill Stein saying she thinks oppression of her political position is worse than apartheid was then lol
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Feb 2, 2020 22:33
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Literally, "vote for me because I'm a woman".
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Feb 2, 2020 22:35
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Pathetic.
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Well, that answer that question: https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/1224085372369539072
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pseudorandom name posted:Well, that answer that question: Did Beto teach him that swear?
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