|
Burgon has gone on an interview where they told him he said zionism is the enemy of peace, he denied it, and then a clip surfaced of him saying it. Granted it was obviously heat of the moment word garbling and it's still correct with the current iteration of zionism, but it's not ideal. He's fine, got the support of a lot of the left block labour people. I'm probably going Butler Burgon Rayner
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 06:43 |
|
|
I've been taking a break since the election but wanted to pop in and share with the thread the truly tragic news that my daughter looks a lot like 80's Martin McGuinness:  According to my email there's some kind of vote going on; can someone tell me who I should vote for? My apathy-wizened heart says no-one but I know that's not the right answer. RLB and A.N. Other?
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:39
|
|
|
Butler Burgon Rayner is Correct imo. Probably don't need to bother picking between the other two for 4th/5th, they'll go out first anyway unless something really weird happens. Still not sure how best to rank the leadership candidates after RLB though.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:40
|
|
|
Debating RLB Nandy Thornberry just to give the best spread for stopping the symbolic win for the Blairists of Starmer, but unsure if Nandy would just do most of the same poo poo while shouting about towns.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:45
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Debating RLB Nandy Thornberry just to give the best spread for stopping the symbolic win for the Blairists of Starmer, but unsure if Nandy would just do most of the same poo poo while shouting about towns. You know she would. Also isn't she a rabid Brexiteer?
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:47
|
|
|
I mean at this point being a rabid brexiteer might be a plus given that the remain lot have totally hosed up. The blue labour thing is the bigger worry for me.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:51
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Debating RLB Nandy Thornberry just to give the best spread for stopping the symbolic win for the Blairists of Starmer, but unsure if Nandy would just do most of the same poo poo while shouting about towns. Nandy's making the right noises in the hustings but is still the furthest-right of the contenders. Starmer is such a loving cypher though, he's literally not committed to anything at all at any point in the process and the fact that he's even vaguely close to the lead is Tall White Male privilege in action because those are the only three things that you can say are definitely the case about him.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:57
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:Nandy's making the right noises in the hustings but is still the furthest-right of the contenders. Starmer is such a loving cypher though, he's literally not committed to anything at all at any point in the process and the fact that he's even vaguely close to the lead is Tall White Male privilege in action because those are the only three things that you can say are definitely the case about him. Listen mate he looks prime-ministerial and electable. Simple as.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 10:59
|
|
|
Him resigning during the coup is a big black mark against him, puts him entirely on the side of "we must have party unity but only if the right is in charge" IMO.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:00
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Debating RLB Nandy Thornberry just to give the best spread for stopping the symbolic win for the Blairists of Starmer, but unsure if Nandy would just do most of the same poo poo while shouting about towns. Same. I'm a town dweller though so that's probably slightly better than another member of the London Liberal Elite
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:04
|
|
|
Also if Nandy doesn't name her first-born son Chico it proves she has absolutely no beauty in her soul.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:06
|
|
|
I do wonder what Starmer has seen to cause him to have the exact same look of dead-eyed horror on his face no matter where he is or what he's saying.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:07
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:I mean at this point being a rabid brexiteer might be a plus given that the remain lot have totally hosed up. I'm not sure about the depth of her Blue Labour links. They've recommended her a couple of times, which is a worry, but it could mean anything from "she's a post-liberal who isn't Corbyn" to "she's a fash sympathizer". That all hinges on whether her appeal to small towns bit really means "we should be bringing utilities and community and municipalism back to small towns, and undo the metropolitan centralism of the past decades" or "cricket and racism". goddamnedtwisto posted:Nandy's making the right noises in the hustings but is still the furthest-right of the contenders. Starmer is such a loving cypher though, he's literally not committed to anything at all at any point in the process and the fact that he's even vaguely close to the lead is Tall White Male privilege in action because those are the only three things that you can say are definitely the case about him. crispix posted:I do wonder what Starmer has seen to cause him to have the exact same look of dead-eyed horror on his face no matter where he is or what he's saying. "The voters! The voters!"
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:15
|
|
|
I mean nandy also was involved with the attempt to unseat corbyn so I think she's probably more on the "more warcrimes please" side.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 11:16
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:Nandy's making the right noises in the hustings but is still the furthest-right of the contenders. Starmer is such a loving cypher though, he's literally not committed to anything at all at any point in the process and the fact that he's even vaguely close to the lead is Tall White Male privilege in action because those are the only three things that you can say are definitely the case about him. He’s not even particularly tall is he? Someone please take a tape measure to the next hustings.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:07
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:I mean nandy also was involved with the attempt to unseat corbyn so I think she's probably more on the "more warcrimes please" side. She was literally the co-chair of Smith's campaign, and it's difficult to trust a candidate who gets articles like this about their candidacy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:13
|
|
|
It's definitely nice of the other candidates to self identify as the wreckers who cost us 2017.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:15
|
|
|
crispix posted:I do wonder what Starmer has seen to cause him to have the exact same look of dead-eyed horror on his face no matter where he is or what he's saying. Might be the bit where it’s been four years of fighting against Brexit and it resulted in five years of Boris Johnsons special ‘British trump’ vision for the UK.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:17
|
|
|
As an immigrant I am begging you all not to vote for Nandy. British jobs for British people but also public ownership and town councils is straight up early 2000s BNP dogwhistling. I'd rather have Starmer the ultra melt who might make some tiny concessions to the left than Lisa "maybe strasser wasn't all bad" Nandy. She's made good noises during the hustings so far, including on trans issues, but I absolutely don't trust her on anything to do with immigration and refugees.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:23
|
|
|
Cerv posted:Someone please take a tape measure to the next hustings.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:25
|
|
|
Goldskull posted:How many freelancers do we have on here? Since IR35 is coming in April and nobody seems to have the slightest clue whether they fall under it or not or how it's going to gently caress them over. If anyone has any decent insights I'd love to hear them. (this thread moves fast! Also, this is all just my experience, IANAL, etc.) All the indications I've seen suggest very strongly that pretty much every company will impose a blanket "you're now inside IR35" determination because it's far easier. Supposedly you'll be able to insist on an actual assessment & report of your client's judgement, which might get them to actually evaluate your situation properly. But IR35's vaguenesses give them more than enough excuse to not change their minds. The bigger the company, the more steadfast they'll be about this. Several big banks have already made these blanket decisions, for example. If you previously declared yourself outside IR35 and now/soon find yourself inside, make sure your 'inside' contract looks significantly different from your previous 'outside' ones. Otherwise HMRC can (apparently) say "you said you were ouside before, but that contract looks the same as this inside-one, so you weren't really outside before. Ergo you owe us all this tax." Whatever happens, it'll be a real mess. I wish you good luck!
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:29
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:She was literally the co-chair of Smith's campaign, and it's difficult to trust a candidate who gets articles like this about their candidacy. quote:“Blue Labour”, as he termed it, urged the party to reconnect with its traditional supporters by embracing the values of “flag, faith and family”.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:33
|
|
|
FnF posted:this thread moves fast! I was just thinking how slow the thread has gotten since the New Year. I can actually keep up with it for once, and I read at the speed of a toddler in a k-hole. e: On a hopefully unrelated note: Sanford posted:I've been taking a break since the election but wanted to pop in and share with the thread the truly tragic news that my daughter looks a lot like 80's Martin McGuinness: She's adorable! Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Feb 3, 2020 |
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 12:36
|
|
|
Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, from the reports, the reason he was stopped so quickly was that there were armed surveillance officers lurking in the vicinity and they confronted him as soon as he kicked off.  reasons? Regarde Aduck posted:Might be the bit where it’s been four years of fighting against Brexit and it resulted in five years of Boris Johnsons special ‘British trump’ vision for the UK. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:07
|
|
|
Is carrying a knife by itself even a crime, guy might just be on his way home all excited to cook up a storm
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:13
|
|
|
Depends on whether he had a good reason or not. Apparently he did, just not one that other people might agree with.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:16
|
|
|
Cerv posted:He’s not even particularly tall is he? Someone please take a tape measure to the next hustings. I've seen him in person before, I'm a 5'8" manlet and he was my height or shorter.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:26
|
|
|
FnF posted:(this thread moves fast! Also, this is all just my experience, IANAL, etc.) The bolded part is what I’m seeing too. It’s easier, and if they’re all doing it then it’s not like there’s an option to go elsewhere.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:42
|
|
|
What are people itt's top reasons for picking Butler > Rayner for deputy?
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 14:52
|
|
|
Rayner's gone a bit "are white boys" on a few occasions. I'm not going to discount her completely, but would prefer Butler. Nomination hoarding looked a bit bad too.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:01
|
|
|
Jesus, Wikipedia tells me Dawn Butler is 50? I thought she was way younger.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:03
|
|
|
So only a few days in admittedly but have there been any brexit disasters yet?
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:20
|
|
|
fridge corn posted:So only a few days in admittedly but have there been any brexit disasters yet? Yeah, you posting in this thread
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:25
|
|
|
If I have a complaint about butler it's that she apparently really hates investigations into the iraq war. Though Rayner also voted against it, but she hasn't been in parliament as long so fewer times.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:36
|
|
|
be fun to see how this hardball wank works out. I guess boris figured out he's not got a lot of credibility left so he'd better go max shouty or his lies might just net him eyerolls this time around
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:44
|
|
|
 "remember that election not two months ago, when this yellow rear end in a top hat liar won the idiot vote on a platform entirely made of lies? well, we don't here in our newspaper, we're content sticking with the indicative mood"
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:53
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:Jesus, Wikipedia tells me Dawn Butler is 50? I thought she was way younger. socialism is the fountain of eternal youth
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 15:53
|
|
|
Lord of the Llamas posted:What are people itt's top reasons for picking Butler > Rayner for deputy? Coohoolin posted:Yeah, you posting in this thread
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 16:07
|
|
|
I seem to remember her complaint was more that the white working class are feckless and indolent unlike hard working immigrant families. To which my main complaint was that I'm not sure systemic racism and the threat of being deported somewhere you've never lived is necessarily a thing I want to inflict on all of society to better increase productivity.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 16:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 06:43 |
|
|
Pilchenstein posted:It's mainly just the dogwhistle "white boys are underachieving because of feminism and immigrants" stuff tbh, doesn't feel like there needs to be another reason beyond that. Because all the charts say that they are, and like anecdotally as well I've heard from friends working in schools that there's an unaddressed issue. Race is a myth and you don't see the same thing with white girls on free meals, so we can throw any genetic basis out the window, fun as it might be to throw back all those centuries of skull measurement. I don't think it's feminism and teaching about the history of imperialism that's doing it either, unless kids are failing English and maths because geography class told them that a black person exists and their brains shut down. A common one with people involved with this seems to be that there's no local support network, no equivalent of the Caribbean Community Centre or the gurdwara or the mosque to help kids and families, because until recently that was just called 'all of society' for white boys until Thatcher decided that there was no such thing. But what does that imply we need to do? I don't think we should go around building 'white community centres', but someone's going to come up with that idea if we don't do something else. OwlFancier posted:I seem to remember her complaint was more that the white working class are feckless and indolent unlike hard working immigrant families.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2020 16:21
|
|