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feedmyleg posted:We're on the same side here, man. I don't like Pete as a candidate. I called his actions sketchy. I never discounted that there could be more at play here. I never said we shouldn't discuss it, I never said we shouldn't take all of these things as possibilities, I never said that there wasn't incompetence, I never said there aren't bad actors in the system, I never said there wasn't a possibility that the system is being manipulated. All I said was that we shouldn't take these things as fact. That's literally my entire point. Why not? What's the harm if someone thinks that Pete did try to steal it? We're not a court of law here. So isn't the most reasonable thing to assume wrongdoing and demand a thorough explanation from the people responsible before letting them off the hook? DreamingofRoses posted:It would’ve been embarrassing a lot earlier if y’all had any drat self awareness No seriously, when you've regressed to the level of threatening to take your ball and go home it's time to reconsider what you're doing.
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ManBoyChef posted:Maybe that might be why this crashed. I know this is tinfoil hat territory but do you think maybe they realized bernie was winning and they wanted to keep biden viable in future states and wanted to keep him out of the news so they figured out a way to pull this debacle? very far fetched and occam's razor If your perception of it all is more malice than incompetence, this and muddling Bernie's victories in doubt seems way more likely than just trying to manipulate votes.
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mcmagic posted:Guys.... Rush Limbaugh still has advanced lung cancer. Mush Lungbaugh
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Just to clarify, I’m not actually voting for Biden, I was pointing out the huge assumption that I’m not a Bernie supporter because I disagree mcmagic posted:Guys.... Rush Limbaugh still has advanced lung cancer. My mom died from that two years ago, I hope he goes as quickly
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mr whistler posted:I didn't realize D&D is now a members-only Bernie fyad club now. Lol yes it is. People have been probed and dogpiled for not being pro Bernie enough. You all keep skipping over crucial things. Every. Campaign. Has. The. Precinct. Data Warren, Bernie, Pete, and Biden all made drat sure to take pictures of the data, verify the reportingx and are tracking it themselves. Based on what i saw and am seeing its very telling that Pete is claiming the W since he likely won or got a close 2nd when he was polling 10 points behind the leading Sanders. Thats a W. I distinctly remember Sanders making a similar speech in 2016. Bernie is salty because he did well but obviously wants the data out to confirm. But he didnt win by 10 points, so they are very much leta put this under the microscope and get rid of the ambiguity which is totally fair. But the silence from the other campaigns, notably Biden, when they have the same data the others do is VERY VERY telling. It didnt go well for them. At all, and they are mad about the results not being out because they just want to make sure their internal numbers are correct.
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ManBoyChef posted:Maybe that might be why this crashed. I know this is tinfoil hat territory but do you think maybe they realized bernie was winning and they wanted to keep biden viable in future states and wanted to keep him out of the news so they figured out a way to pull this debacle? very far fetched and occam's razor I think the party hosed up (since the party loves loving up), Pete did his dumb bullshit that he's already had to walk back, and Biden's campaign apparatus is going to gently caress it up for him going forward if it does turn out he got 4th here even if his collapse isn't the big news. PepsiOverCoke posted:Bernie is salty because he did well but obviously wants the data out to confirm. But he didnt win by 10 points, so they are very much leta put this under the microscope and get rid of the ambiguity which is totally fair. https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1224485118271803392
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The superdelegate fiasco really broke a bunch of peoples minds. Caucuses are real easy to screw up and should be scrapped, that does not mean there is any national level DNC fuckery going on. And the funding for the caucus app came from the two state level DNC orgs that happen to still stupidly use caucuses. I’d also wager that there is a significant overlap between the purity testing bernbros and 9/11 truthers at this point.
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Insanite posted:If your perception of it all is more malice than incompetence, this and muddling Bernie's victories in doubt seems way more likely than just trying to manipulate votes. this is very reasonable and makes a lot of sense. I bet they just didn't want Bernie to make the news so much for his victory and keep the story as the caucus.
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Insanite posted:If your perception of it all is more malice than incompetence, this and muddling Bernie's victories in doubt seems way more likely than just trying to manipulate votes. yea my conspiracy brain is at this rather than them literally changing results. They want a good day or so of muddy waters before they reluctantly say Bernie won after everyone's been saying 'man can we even TRUST the results from Iowa anymore?'
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Groovelord Neato posted:I think the party hosed up (since the party loves loving up), Pete did his dumb bullshit that he's already had to walk back, and Biden's campaign apparatus is going to gently caress it up for him going forward if it does turn out he got 4th here even if his collapse isn't the big news. I'm convinced the DNC is just generally ready to ratfuck Iowa anytime they need to if they need to stop someone like Bernie from gaining too much traction. I just think this time it was too obvious and they got burned.
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In "caucuses are dumb and bad" discussion instead of DNC discussion... OddObserver posted:That does appear to be the rules, though it is indeed weird, since it's one way it can underallocate delegates. Do we know what the procedure is on those underallocated or overallocated situations? Like, is this example actually correct because they're forced to allocate all 8, so Pete got an extra even though the rounding is wrong? https://twitter.com/lovecoondogs/status/1224595888976334853
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I hope this leads to the Iowa caucus being treated as the loving joke that it is and we never have to care about Iowa again.
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Solkanar512 posted:Who the gently caress defended Pete? There were plenty of people whining about how mean it is to call him a nickname or insinuate that he cheated, c'mon dude. Groovelord Neato posted:Has Tim Wise always been an idiot or did it just start the past couple of months? He's always been like this but for a while he was the most prominent White Ally so people just shrugged it off.
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https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1224695374704562176 These guys are shitheads but they are right. This is a worrying trend. D voters just might be exhausted from the Trump show and the 2018 enthusiasm isn't there.
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mcmagic posted:Guys.... Rush Limbaugh still has advanced lung cancer. I want him to die the day Bernie Sanders wins the election. I want him to know
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Solkanar512 posted:I hope this leads to the Iowa caucus being treated as the loving joke that it is and we never have to care about Iowa again.
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To everybody who is real mad that people suspect foul play, why exactly should we give the DNC and the Butt and so on any benefit of the doubt here? What upside is there to assuming incompetence instead of malice? E: And conversely, what harm is there in assuming malice rather than incompetence? Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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V. Illych L. posted:tempers are flaring over a scandal which, had it happened in a presidential election in latin america in favour of a socialist incumbent, would likely have been used to legitimise a coup yea if this was a latin american country we'd have multiple US government officials demanding the recognition of Pete as the 'legitimate winner' by now
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DreamingofRoses posted:Oh cool, I’ll just change my primary vote, shall I? I’m in SC, so voting for Biden shouldn’t be a problem 
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This thread and its predecessor have been going on for a whiiiile. Sanders is the best candidate - and this thread helped me see that. Not that long ago there were Warren defenders and Booker defenders in D&D but we've actually kind of talked about this for months and months and months and every argument for someone else looks pretty weak under a microscope. This has become a pro-Sanders thread because if you give a half of a poo poo about working people and examine every candidate closely, Sanders is the only one worth supporting. Then voting begins and people who haven't been posting or participating here are coming in with some nonsense straight from 2016. I should mention btw that I fell for that nonsense in 2016 and voted for Clinton in the primary. I don't know if that gives me any cred as a "realdem" or something. It shouldn't but I feel like maybe it would among the kind of idiot who comes in here and says "fakedem" seriously.
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Mat Cauthon posted:There were plenty of people whining about how mean it is to call him a nickname or insinuate that he cheated, c'mon dude. It's kind of like that Jon Stewart/Bill Maher phenomenon where credibility is derived mostly from not being literally Ronald Reagan.
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Nosre posted:In "caucuses are dumb and bad" discussion instead of DNC discussion... Correct. They have to allocate all the delegates. So they round up or down as you saw. Then it goes to strength of showing or some term. I left my caucus math book in the car, but it basically looks at how many numbers out to the 4th decimal and compares it to "distance to next full delegate". I think with the Pete one there hes still closest to the next delegate despite rounding down, so he gets the delegate.
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OddObserver posted:Uhm, pretty sure it's the state party that's in charge. The fish rots from the head.
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Cerebral Bore posted:To everybody who is real mad that people suspect foul play, why exactly should we give the DNC and the Butt and so on any benefit of the doubt here? What upside is there to assuming incompetence instead of malice? I'm not sure it matters. The DNC needs to be razed and completely rebuilt from the ground up by Bernie people no matter what.
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Cerebral Bore posted:To everybody who is real mad that people suspect foul play, why exactly should we give the DNC and the Butt and so on any benefit of the doubt here? What upside is there to assuming incompetence instead of malice? Because incompetence is the explanation 99% of the time? You're talking about the democrats, not the loving Swiss railroad companies here. Incompetence is their normal state of being.
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mcmagic posted:Guys.... Rush Limbaugh still has advanced lung cancer.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Why not? What's the harm if someone thinks that Pete did try to steal it? We're not a court of law here. Because it makes you look like a nutter. There is legitimacy to the discussion. Taking it as fact in absence of evidence—rather than discussing it as a very real possibility that demands to be investigated—may be actively harmful when it comes to the narrative getting traction amongst the left. If you make it easy for a very legitimate point to be dismissed in wider discussion as the equivalent of a QAnon conspiracy theory (which, to stress, it is not) because of a lack of evidence, then you're just yelling into the echo chamber. I get that not being loud about it means that it can get swept under the rug. I'm just urging that we be loud about it in a constructive way.
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PepsiOverCoke posted:Correct. They have to allocate all the delegates. So they round up or down as you saw. Then it goes to strength of showing or some term. I left my caucus math book in the car, but it basically looks at how many numbers out to the 4th decimal and compares it to "distance to next full delegate". Thanks for the confirmation. Little caucus oddities like this sure aren't helping the confusion when combined with all the other stuff.
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Cerebral Bore posted:To everybody who is real mad that people suspect foul play, why exactly should we give the DNC and the Butt and so on any benefit of the doubt here? What upside is there to assuming incompetence instead of malice? It’s not about you suspecting foul play, it’s the disinfo that gets spread with the paranoia. See: the ‘issue’ with the site changes and the website issues that weren’t actually A Thing.
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considering pete was expected to get 3rd or 4th tonight and at worst got 2nd place, the conspiracy is asinine because he staked his entire campaign on iowa and has gotten essentially nothing from that. bernie is going to be fine, this is catastrophic for pete
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Queen Naomi as usual has all the right takes, bundled into thread form https://twitter.com/NaomiAKlein/status/1224695158303809536?s=19 E: now shuddup, you fakedem slags
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Mat Cauthon posted:There were plenty of people whining about how mean it is to call him a nickname or insinuate that he cheated, c'mon dude. I have never defended Pete in my life in any way shape or form. I did, however, "whine" about his nickname because Trump has broken all of our brains and made us into petty slobbering babies. Saying we shouldn't call him Cheaty Pete doesn't mean I don't think he cheated.
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