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I feel like if you are dying due to policy failure you 100% should be bitching people out.
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Mozi posted:i'm going to try to find the thing written by another medical person saying that article is nothing but baloney Haha, they did retract it. Apparently enough people poked enough holes in it for them to retract it and try again later. I would like a formal 'this is why each of these things are bullshit' effortpost from someone in the field, but gently caress searching for some lovely twitter thread on it.
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I bet a few coronavirus cases in the US went unreported because medical care is so expensive.Telsa Cola posted:I feel like if you are dying due to policy failure you 100% should be bitching people out. 
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Feb 4, 2020 19:15
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it's likely there are lots of unreported cases all over the place because many people show minimal if any symptoms this virus is a weird mix of 'it's not really that bad as all that' and 'it's really bad'
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Feb 4, 2020 19:22
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Yeah, it's also a lot of "we're really not sure," and "oh poo poo, just you wait."
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Mozi posted:it's likely there are lots of unreported cases all over the place because many people show minimal if any symptoms it’s not bad until the cough deteriorates into viral pneumonia, which by then you have a ~20% chance of deterioration onto ARDS, and 10% chance of developing a lung infection Macau closed but the odds are uh you might not die and probably won’t get organ failure maybe https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html
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Feb 4, 2020 20:08
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Didn't WHO promise a catchy name by now?
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IF this or any contagion becomes widespread here, the most likely suggested response will be to shelter in place. While that doesn't sound like a huge deal, there will be an epic run on stores. Bottled water and non perishable food items will be impossible to find. Resupply/distribution channels will likely not be operating at full capacity. Being at least somewhat ready in advance will eliminate a lot of that panicked dash for resources. You'll need: Food (~1.5k to 2k cal/day per person) Water (~1gal/day per person) Disinfectants (Bleach/etc to clean when returning home) Heat source (Gas Grill, camp stove, sterno, fire pit... to boil water / cook food) Medication (Normal meds plus stuff like Imodium, Advil, etc). There's a good chance public utilities (water, power) will stay online in this scenario... but it's better to be ready for them to go down for periods. Food: Freeze dried foods from companies like Mountain House have huge shelf life and are reasonably tasty. It can get expensive relying solely on these. Stuff like powdered eggs and oatmeal w honey make great breakfasts that store for ages. A 25lb bag of rice is $9. Stores good on its own. BUT, if sealed in 1gal Mylar bags w oxygen absorbers ($15) and thrown in a 5 gal bucket it can last decades. Rice on its own gets old fast. But dump a ($2) can of beef stew or soup over it and you're stretching food stocks a lot. Ramen + canned chicken breast. Etc. Some folks talk about dried beans but IMO they are a PITA and require a shitload of h20. If you're a hardcore prepper storing food for a year+? Sure. For most folks who just wanna ride out a month or two if needed... no thanks. I have 45 days of food in the corner of a closet. Takes up about as much space as a mini fridge. Out of sight, but it's there. Cost a couple hundred bucks. Goal is either stuff that will last decade(s) or stuff you will eat periodically and replenish w fresh stuff. Water: Bottled water is solid but keep it at room temp or less and out of sunlight. Takes up space though. One nice "hack" is a Water BOB. Store under the sink. IF an emergency hits that might jeopardize the water supply, lay it in the tub and fill it up. 70-100 gallons of potable water on tap and good for 4 months. Enough to last a family of 4 a good 3 weeks in concert with a few cases of bottled drinking water. They're a godsend for folks in Hurricane zones. Minimizes having a ton of crap stored away too. Not going to bore with details on the rest, but If anyone has questions, I'm happy to try to help. NOT suggesting everyone needs to do this. I know most folks won't. That's cool. Some may be curious so this might help.
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Shaocaholica posted:Didn't WHO promise a catchy name by now? nCoV doesn’t roll off your tongue right? They should have just called it WARS. Someone else pointed out the WHO doesn’t want to name it after locations anymore though. Books On Tape posted:a bunch of prepper stuff Why do you think people are going to be told to shelter in place? If you are not elderly, have uncontrolled diabetes, or cardiovascular disease, at this time it does not appear you are at risk of death. This isn't the apocalypse or a zombie video game. Yes, I fully admit a lot of people are going to die but it's not going to be killing everyone (from current day understanding). The world isn't going to stop because of a highly contagious virus with a 2% fatality rate, we have a vaccine coming by May with trials set in early 2021. (I respect the information you provide as valid in case of a global pandemic. I just don't see it as anything other than sensationalist right now. Still, thanks for sharing.) Edit: luckily I go to burning man every year so my garage is already prepared with a lot of the things on your list 
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Books On Tape posted:Food: Three years ago, I bought two 7 day packs of Mountain Home for emergencies, I keep one in my car and one in the hall closet, the shelf life is 25 years so I can just forget about it until I need it unlike a lot of "emergency rations" which have a 5 to 10 year shelf life. Also, hypothetically, if you're at home, you're going to have some food in the pantry such as loose corn or spaghetti-o's to pad it all out for a few extra days. EDIT: mitztronic posted:Why do you think people are going to be told to shelter in place? If you are not elderly, have uncontrolled diabetes, or cardiovascular disease, at this time it does not appear you are at risk of death. This isn't the apocalypse or a zombie video game. Yes, I fully admit a lot of people are going to die but it's not going to be killing everyone (from current day understanding). The world isn't going to stop because of a highly contagious virus with a 2% fatality rate, we have a vaccine coming by May with trials set in early 2021. I doubt shelter in place is really necessary, but it's not a bad idea to have something set up for an emergency, because that information is also good for things like major earthquakes, or hurricanes, that can severely limit one's ability to leave home to gather food and water. Iron Crowned fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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Feb 4, 2020 20:32
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I carry a month’s worth of calories on me at all times iykwim.
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Feb 4, 2020 20:34
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If you want emergency gears that take up less space, you can look into hiking gears. For example, a trail gravity water filter. And some dehydrated food put into jars.
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Feb 4, 2020 20:35
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think i’d rather just die than scrape by in the post apocalypse. not gonna prep for any doomsday scenario.
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Lazyhound posted:I carry a month’s worth of calories on me at all times iykwim. Yeah food isn't an issue for most goons you'll just be hungry Stock up on 2 liters of mountain dew for the end times But seriously there is basically 0 chance that the entire world starts to shelter in place that's just some goon jacking it
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Feb 4, 2020 20:57
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Shaocaholica posted:Didn't WHO promise a catchy name by now? Wh1n1 the flu.
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Feb 4, 2020 21:03
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My kids just call it the super virus.
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Feb 4, 2020 21:18
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Computer Serf posted:you have a ~20% chance of deterioration onto ARDS, I'm deteriorating into LARD all the time
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Books On Tape posted:While that doesn't sound like a huge deal, there will be an epic run on stores Prob trolling, but this is the kind of poo poo I like. I've got plenty of long life food in (canned, rice, etc), in case stores become scarce for a short while. But longer than a few weeks and we've probably got bigger problems to worry about - the zombies will be kicking the door in and we'll be hosed anyway. But most likely we'll be fine, and it doesn't hurt to have extra grub to work through. quote:One nice "hack" is a Water BOB. Store under the sink. IF an emergency hits that might jeopardize the water supply, lay it in the tub and fill it up. quote:NOT suggesting everyone needs to do this. I know most folks won't. That's cool. Some may be curious so this might help. Nah, I love it. Worth thinking about. Right, I'm off now to get into my underground bunker to polish my rifle - preppers roll out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO25JYAaJC0
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Feb 4, 2020 21:28
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lmfao at credulously posting a loving tom cotton tweet. jesus loving christ
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Bad Purchase posted:think i’d rather just die than scrape by in the post apocalypse. not gonna prep for any doomsday scenario. I haven't done it, but I think there's a big difference between stocking up on some non perishable food to sit things out for a few weeks if poo poo really goes bad vs actual doomsday prepping where you don't think you'll have a society to return to. As a Floridian who's done hurricane prep several times, pandemic prep sounds pretty reasonable, and getting ahead of the rush when everyone goes crazy and empties the stores is better than waiting until the last minute. If I do end up buying anything extra for this though, I'll just buy poo poo I'll eat eventually whether or not we end up having a big problem, like protein bars. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah food isn't an issue for most goons you'll just be hungry Yeah, none of this stuff is probably going to get used, but honestly if you don't already have an emergency plan in place and reasonable supplies to last you and your family for whatever length of time you're most likely to experience hardship/deprivation during a disaster, it's not a bad idea to start making those plans now. Delude yourself into thinking you're preparing for the end of days and you'll go full prepper, but there's nothing wrong with keeping a week's worth of water and food on hand for hurricanes/tornadoes/earthquakes/floods. If you have elderly/disabled neighbors, it's always a good idea to check on them too and make sure they're prepared if it looks like a disaster is imminent or has already occurred in your area too - many of the elderly and disabled I interacted with in the course of my disaster responses as a paramedic were extremely poorly prepared and often weren't able to meet their basic needs at even the best of times, and if travel is difficult or impossible they'll often have lost the only support system they have.
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Yeah, like 99% of everything disastery is covered by having 3-5 days of ready-to-eat stuff in cans or whatever and some clean water - note that while bottled water is expensive, if you've got a hot water heater you've got 30-80 gallons of perfectly potable water with maybe a little grit in it  . A way to heat food up is a bonus, but not necessaryIf you're worried about more long term food just get some sacks of rice and beans, maybe some oatmeal if you eat it, etc. - stick it in the freezer to keep the bug eggs from hatching, and have spices and hot sauce etc. You might have to make room by storing fewer Hot Pockets though - be strong! In this case you might want some backup method of cooking without power even if it's just a BBQ grill or fire - outdoors, you morons. If your tap water goes down long term you either live off a well and have lost power, in Mordor, Michigan, or everything's hosed to disaster movie levels because utilities like power, gas, and water are the last thing that the government will allow to shut down in a extended crisis. The most dangerous thing is if you or somebody is medically dependent on the status quo - they need dialysis regularly, rare or expensive medications they can't get in bulk, frequent bottled oxygen deliveries, etc.
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Feb 4, 2020 21:57
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I have a LifeStraw so I can drink bogwater or whatever.
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https://twitter.com/alvertoas/status/1222518373558423552 Would loved to have been on one of those flights.
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Rashaverak posted:Delude yourself into thinking you're preparing for the end of days and you'll go full prepper, but there's nothing wrong with keeping a week's worth of water and food I don't think I know anyone who as an adult with a family doesn't have at least one week's worth of food in the fridge, freezer and cupboards. Unless you live only out of fresh ingredients on a day to day basis you are bound to have a lot of food in your house. And probably a few weeks of booze too. I mean I'm doing the cooking home and I can easily feed my family for a week with what is left in the fridge, a bread and a bit of rice and noodles. When I go trekking I survive one week with just dehydrated food, some nuts and some concentrated sweet milk. Yes I lose a few pounds but I don't feel like starving at all. I think you are a bit overestimating how much food you need to prepare to survive for a few weeks. We could probably survive a month with all the stuff in the cubpoards we never use. Especially all the sweet stuff. SpaceGoatFarts fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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decent water filter and like a week or two of canned food/dry goods is all you need, but i seriously doubt mainland US will have that sort of problem unless you live in one of the more densely populated cities, and thats only if it gets really bad if it does, we'll you're hosed, sorry!
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Lazyhound posted:I have a LifeStraw so I can drink bogwater or whatever. All the cool kids use jerrycans 
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check out what they are serving for breakfast at one of hte hospitals jesus
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This prepper talk is silly, obviously rich people with their "bathtubs" and "freezer space" will survive. Meanwhile, I guess I could get that memed-about waterproof tape and turn my shower into a giant bucket. Unsubstantiated thinking from someone who has forgotten all they knew about statistics: on the Infected vs Deceased graph on https://ncov.r6.no/ (which keeps getting redesigned, so that might disappear later), they're practically identical curves at different scales. Dead people are probably a lot easier to find and identify than infected, which means that line should be close to 100% of the cases, so wouldn't that mean they're doing a decent job of finding the infected people if that's keeping up? Or is that all just a coincidence?
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Fumble posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm7N760Lq1g It's a Toyko-style capsule hotel!
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The only doomsday plan you need is eating your neighbors. Do so the moment the power goes off, or trash isn't picked up - you never know, it could be the end of times. Just bust that door open and feast on their sweet flesh.
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I don't think I know anyone who as an adult with a family doesn't have at least one week's worth of food in the fridge, freezer and cupboards. Unless you live only out of fresh ingredients on a day to day basis you are bound to have a lot of food in your house. I encountered way, way too many people who simply thought that disasters were things that only happened to other people until they found themselves in the middle of one and completely unprepared. Granted, the worst I saw was during Katrina, so I'd like to hope that people have wizened up in the last 15 years - but even in the smaller disaster responses I participated in later I still saw ostensibly intelligent, well-off and educated people who didn't have basic necessities for longer than a few days... and far too many families that were living paycheck to paycheck and couldn't even guarantee their kids food and medicine for a day, much less a week. Of course, those people aren't reading this, but that's where I come back to checking on your vulnerable neighbors before/when disaster strikes and making sure they're prepared too. I saw what I still consider to be some of the finest examples of humanity in the Katrina response in the simple acts of kindness of neighbors helping neighbors, and I would hope to see the same in communities (if any) affected to the degree we see in China.
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Rashaverak posted:I saw what I still consider to be some of the finest examples of humanity in the Katrina response in the simple acts of kindness of neighbors helping neighbors, and I would hope to see the same in communities (if any) affected to the degree we see in China. actually they are sealing people in their apartments by welding the doors closed if they are suspected of being from wuhan
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Rashaverak posted:Yeah, none of this stuff is probably going to get used, but honestly if you don't already have an emergency plan in place and reasonable supplies to last you and your family for whatever length of time you're most likely to experience hardship/deprivation during a disaster, it's not a bad idea to start making those plans now. A lot of people don't understand just how bad a major disaster can be, despite hurricanes wrecking our poo poo every few years. A bad earthquake could see 2-3 weeks before FEMA is able to establish supply lines and distribute food to all affected areas. That's enough time for anyone with a pantry to have eaten everything, and for people without one to get real desperate for a meal. There are firsthand accounts of people being murdered over the cans in their pantry and the water in their toilet tanks after Hurricane Camille. Mountain House freeze dried meals are shockingly not bad for something with a 30 year shelf life, and those blue UN water drums are only like $40 new. For a few hundred bucks, you can have everything you need to feed and water your family for a solid month. Nothing as comfy as being able to just stay home after a disaster vs. desperately scrambling to the store to get whatever beans and rice is left after 5k other people had the same idea as you, and were closer.
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Coronavirus started strong but it's really dropped the ball the last few days. It definitely can't compete with US Primaries drama at this rate.
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Wow, sounds real bad (transcript in comments): https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eyu407/bbc_interview_with_woman_stuck_in_wuhan_chilling/
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I love watching people walk around cities and trying out cool street food, checking out old videos of people doing it in Wuhan is now my jam.
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I’m reading about food prices and availability in Hubei and so forth. Wondering about how China could use some of that centrally located power of theirs to maybe have a stronger influence over that and keep their people fed. I have no illusions about how this would go where I live: shortages, price hikes, and fist fights would ensue before govt took action, but I think you’d at least see some distribution of free stuff by this point. OTOH, I have no idea how big the quarantine area (population and size) is relative to where I live. Made a few updates to the ol pantry today.
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