MJeff posted:So uh. He's basically the unstoppable candidate. Leftists hate him because he invented Stop and Frisk, the policy where cops can stop and search black people for no reason. Conservatives hate him because he banned large sodas. And moderates hate him because he's a four foot tall screechy billionaire who knows better than you how you should live. He has universal negative appeal.
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Republicans posted:Did he win a single delegate in Iowa? Doesn't he have to win some in order to spoil anything? The theory we are fearfully talking about here is that Bloomberg throws a fit, gets on every ballot he can as an independent ala Ross Perot, and then screws the country into 4 more years of Trump. It'll take a lot of money to do that, but he has it, and given how badly he's now doing in the polls despite ramping up spending this week, you'd think he would have quit by now unless his true intentions were to either screw the Dems, or get publicity. Hopefully its the latter.
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mcmagic posted:Bloomberg will 100% run as a 3rd party if Bernie wins the nomination. Trump is personally insulting Bloomberg, so he might be disinclined to do this as a pride thing.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Dystopias are largely associated with tyrannical governments. Anarchism rejects the concept of governments altogether. Anarchism is stupid for similar reasons to libertarianism. Utopian governments in sci-fi are quiet non interfering. Everyone loves Bernies platform of no more government to restrain corporate interests.
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Can't believe Buttigieg is winning Iowa at the moment. With the fuckery going on, we may never see the rest of the caucus votes counted, so this could be final for Iowa. I really thought Sanders would run away with it. I hope it doesn't suppress his support in the rest of the primaries.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Anarchism does create a power vacuum, yeah. And the trick is to keep us all from killing each other without someone monopolizing the use of violence. And how to keep any one group or groups of people from seizing on said vacuum to monopolize violence again. gently caress anarchism. I'd spit on you if I could. Anarchism simply means that anyone who doesn't fit in with the community gets trampled on and there is no one there to help them. "If you don't like how people are treating you, you leave" Hmm sounds a lot like "If you don't like the country, gently caress off." "And if someone tries to oppress you, you have it out with them, because no one is able to monopolize violence" Can't wait to live next to white supremacist communities who get to kill black people with no repercussions.
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Why are they not being sued right now in that case
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The only positive note - Biden is like 16th on that ballot
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Isn't this the thing where it's randomized?
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Crows Turn Off posted:Can't believe Buttigieg is winning Iowa at the moment. With the fuckery going on, we may never see the rest of the caucus votes counted, so this could be final for Iowa. It was a classic urban/rural split. Des Moines and the college towns went hard for Bernie. The stupid loving rest of the state were scared off by him. Its just Iowa, he will finish at least 2nd. Good enough, he survived the Iowa caucus, on to New Hampshire where he practically has home field advantage.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:And a cyborg. Flatlander Woman
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Rigel posted:It was a classic urban/rural split. Des Moines and the college towns went hard for Bernie. The stupid loving rest of the state were scared off by him. if only we had the full vote count to make statements like this. oh well, second sounds good enough, 62% of the vote is conclusive
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Uglycat posted:Gift economy
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This needle page is loving bonkers. They should animate all the different needles so they're wobbling as if the tally is constantly changing.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...dw01R7S4vzlY-3U There was a tweet earlier in this thread and I didn't think to bookmark it, but it's been conveniently left behind... it listed all the campaigns that had contributed money to Shadow Inc. It was more than just one, and from all appearances it's a company that sells campaign software to campaigns and state parties. Seems like it refutes one of the central pieces the 'spook' conspiracy theory is build upon. e: all evidence has been consistent with the results we're seeing. Pete's statements and data, Bernie's statements and data, each claiming victory, all the reporting we're hearing from individual caucus sites... it's all lining up. There's been no loving with numbers. If there was malice, it was a disruption of the reporting software and injection of narratives. I could only speculate on the actor, but the math doesn't add up at all that this is the outcome Mayo Pete wanted.
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Permanent vote by mail supremacy
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Rigel posted:The theory we are fearfully talking about here is that Bloomberg throws a fit, gets on every ballot he can as an independent ala Ross Perot, and then screws the country into 4 more years of Trump. It'll take a lot of money to do that, but he has it, and given how badly he's now doing in the polls despite ramping up spending this week, you'd think he would have quit by now unless his true intentions were to either screw the Dems, or get publicity. Hopefully its the latter.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Terrorism is largely under the purview of the executive branch, which has some really lovely downsides, but because the term basically means anything, a sponge that can fit into any space and is at the whim of the person in charge, who gets charged and who doesn't would be defined largely by the white house. And the white house also has the power of the pardon. Saying stuff like "a nuclear version of radon and they're alpha particles, which mean that they soak into your bones and never come out" is a bad form of science communication because it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone who paid attention in AP chem in high school will understand the words and realize you've strung them together in a way that doesn't make sense. Better to say that the activity levels in brine are 2,000 times the legal limit for water, and it's exempt from regulation and sprayed all over the place. That is both true and should get people's attention. The phenomenon IP has offered a garbled explanation of is radium salts in fracking brine. Radium is a decay product of naturally occurring uranium 238 in shales and granites. Unlike uranium, radium is water soluble by itself, and so it ends up in fracking brine coming back up out of wells. Shales in the eastern US turned out to be about five times more radioactive than geologists expected, and the oil industry has managed to sweep that fact under the rug for 20 years by inserting exemptions and gag orders into the relevant regulations. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Focusing on the SDEs over the actual delegate count or the actual popular vote is entirely a sham. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1224872105923223552
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Jon Irenicus posted:if only we had the full vote count to make statements like this. oh well, second sounds good enough, 62% of the vote is conclusive He's probably gonna win the popular vote if that makes you feel better. He's only "losing" (maybe?) because caucuses are silly things.
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Lol the only story that makes sense at this point is massive fuckups in the 1st ballot > 2nd ballot -> delegates process. If this was just about verifying the votes that should have been done by like noon today even if everyone had to personally walk the results from their precinct to Des Moines.
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Feb 5, 2020 03:01
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so did they give any numbers yet i crave numbers
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ascii genitals posted:This needle page is loving bonkers. They should animate all the different needles so they're wobbling as if the tally is constantly changing. The wobble is there because it’s hard coded to always wobble.
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V. Illych L. posted:so did they give any numbers yet we are never going to see those numbers lol
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Grouchio posted:I remember being advised not to freak out as much over Bloomberg running in 2020 versus when he thought of running in 2016. I guess this isn't true and I should just wait for him to gently caress over the Electoral College? Honestly Bloomberg's spoiler destroying the electoral college might be worth 4 more years of Trump, I don't know. Hopefully people would rebel to get the remaining few needed states into the interstate compact. This election already destroyed the caucus nonsense at least.
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oh so a technical tie and a win on popular vote, that's not great but ok i guess biden's hosed though
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I thought alpha particles can barely penetrate your skin anyway.
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bloomberg has infinite money at his disposal, were i him i would simply outright bribe every delegate to make me the nominee
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Does Jeff Bezos make a vanity run or does he accept he's powerful enough as he is and buys all of the govt?
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Trabisnikof posted:Focusing on the SDEs over the actual delegate count or the actual popular vote is entirely a sham. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The thing which makes the Iowa caucus even sillier is that its impossible to accurately forecast how many delegates you win. All we (might) know this week is the precinct-level delegates. But those delegates might decide they have better things to do than political boring bullshit, and gently caress off instead of go to the county convention, and then who knows after that. Its why Ron Paul ultimately got the most delegates to the RNC, his precinct delegates were hard core believers.
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itsameta4 posted:I thought alpha particles can barely penetrate your skin anyway. yeah they're thicc
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CelestialScribe posted:gently caress anarchism. I'd spit on you if I could. quote:Anarchism simply means that anyone who doesn't fit in with the community gets trampled on and there is no one there to help them. Anarchism is wide and varied in terms of how it's practiced. Boiling down a huge concept like anarchism would be like boiling down liberal democracies or communism. How it is practiced in place to place varies wildly. This isn't some so called libertarian paradise where everyone who doesn't have money is a slave. And I think you're confusing me for something along those lines. quote:"If you don't like how people are treating you, you leave" Or you stay and tell people who are anti-social to leave. quote:Hmm sounds a lot like "If you don't like the country, gently caress off." Countries don't exist in an anarchist framework because there would be no borders. quote:Can't wait to live next to white supremacist communities who get to kill black people with no repercussions. That's already largely happening and has happened under our so called liberal democracy. There's a job for that and they're called the police. They also don't exist under an anarchist framework as they monopolize violence and the monopolization of violence is what governments do. I really think that you're confusing my ideology with some Koch Brothers style "libertarian paradise" where everything is monstrous. No governments, no corporations, no borders, no race, no masters, no private property, maybe personal property.
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CelestialScribe posted:gently caress anarchism. I'd spit on you if I could. This is about as nuanced an understanding as the boomers who think communism means no one has personal property anymore.
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Ice Phisherman posted:This isn't some so called libertarian paradise where everyone who doesn't have money is a slave. Yes, it is. If you don't see how it doesn't become that then you're beyond saving. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rigel posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The thing which makes the Iowa caucus even sillier is that its impossible to accurately forecast how many delegates you win. All we (might) know this week is the precinct-level delegates. The whole caucus process is horseshit. If you spent time out of your day to go and vote and then your delegate doesn't go, your vote doesn't count. Democracy! Although nothing beats 2016's thing where the gym leader or whatever they're called made Clinton and Bernie groups shout and then awarded the win to whoever shouted louder because he didn't want to bother counting. Bernie's group was louder but he awarded Clinton anyway and then quickly ran out which made the result final. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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itsameta4 posted:I thought alpha particles can barely penetrate your skin anyway. Alpha particles do damage the cells on the outer layer of your skin, but you don't care because those cells are dead and cannot cause cancer or necrosis. Your lungs and bones and intestines are not the same.
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Gatts posted:Does Jeff Bezos make a vanity run or does he accept he's powerful enough as he is and buys all of the govt? i think that running for president is a retirement thing, probably. they want to cash in one more time and sit in the big chair before they die. this, i suspect, is because they suddenly realise that they've not really gotten much fulfilment from their stuff and decide that this last morsel is going to make everything ok
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