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Electric Phantasm posted:It turns out the mole is an actual mole who has been hiding in someone's clothes. the lice smile pays off
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Electric Phantasm posted:It turns out the mole is an actual mole who has been hiding in someone's clothes. So that's what Miss Merry Christmas was up to before she joined Baroque Works....
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Feb 3, 2020 04:05
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The idea of there not being a spy at all and it being a rude is actually pretty ingenious since it keeps everyone distracted and ununified since they'll all be trying to think of who the traitor was amongst them.
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Feb 3, 2020 06:30
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The traitor is the friends we made along the way.
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Feb 3, 2020 06:37
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If we assume Kaidou is a dragon who transforms into a human, where do you think he keeps his club? Is it part of the transformation? Does he have a li'l belt to hang his club from when he's a dragon? Does he have an underling whose sole job is to carry it?
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Feb 3, 2020 06:46
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he'd prefer you don't ask
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Feb 3, 2020 06:49
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It’s a “mystery” club.
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Feb 3, 2020 07:49
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He's got spiked clubs positioned all over Wano in case he needs them.
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doomrider7 posted:The idea of there not being a spy at all and it being a rude is actually pretty ingenious since it keeps everyone distracted and ununified since they'll all be trying to think of who the traitor was amongst them. It has to be something even if it’s not the Samurai, because the plans keep getting exposed. Not to mention they somehow knew Raizou was on Zou and were able to keep finding their way back, which Duke Dogstorm noted as being strange. I dunno if it’s Kanjuro because they found their way to Zou even before he was there. It’s a really weird mystery and there are a lot of suspects
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Feb 3, 2020 08:20
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Asuron posted:It has to be something even if it’s not the Samurai, because the plans keep getting exposed. Not to mention they somehow knew Raizou was on Zou and were able to keep finding their way back, which Duke Dogstorm noted as being strange. poo poo that's a good point about Zou. I'm gonna look into reading these arcs over again because there's lots to unpack.
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Feb 3, 2020 08:23
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Parrotine posted:I never thought I'd see the day when Kaidou went for cowardly tactics like that. He takes the first damage ever and resorts to using his underlings to help set up cheap shots like that with NotMomo. His minions used poison gas on Zou. I think it's safe to say they'll use any means to achieve a win a là Don Krieg. Brother Entropy posted:yeah, he changes to his zoan form when he gets serious Humans: the most dangerous animal of all.
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Feb 3, 2020 08:25
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I don't think Kaidou was planning on resorting to Momo trickery, though that obviously didn't stop him from taking advantage of it.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Kaku seems so straight laced, so conventionally serious, such a square in all respects I mean how do you even stop this?  ABSOLUTE DEFENSE
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Feb 3, 2020 10:02
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Bleck posted:this wouldn't explain who the current day traitor is, though
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Feb 3, 2020 13:58
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It's probably Momo. His dragon form appears to be tied with Kaido's, given how similar they look and his inability to control the transformation, so who knows what other effects there are. The mystery of his dragon form has been quietly downplayed since they got to Wano, so it feels like a good candidate for springing a surprise revelation on us sometime soon.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:10
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:It's probably Momo. His dragon form appears to be tied with Kaido's, given how similar they look and his inability to control the transformation, so who knows what other effects there are. The mystery of his dragon form has been quietly downplayed since they got to Wano, so it feels like a good candidate for springing a surprise revelation on us sometime soon. The traitor was around way before Momo got his fruit. His fruit is definitely connected to Kaido though, it's the exact same design and powers. If Kaido's dragon form IS his fruit then maybe Vegapunk was trying to recreate it for his artificial fruit? RatHat fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Feb 3, 2020 |
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Feb 3, 2020 14:20
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With all those old devil fruits popping up we've seen before, maybe the spy is just one of kaido's henchmen who has the clairvoyance fruit, that viola used on dressrosa.
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That'd work for the flashback stuff, sure, but doesn't explain how that it's still a thing in the present day.
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Feb 4, 2020 17:07
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the real interesting thing about Vegapunk somehow copying Kaido's devil fruit is the possible implication that Kaido is working with the Marines
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Feb 5, 2020 05:01
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Nah, kizaru and vegapunk have a relation of some sort and kizaru wanted to try jumping into wano by himself before akainu told him off
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Bleck posted:the real interesting thing about Vegapunk somehow copying Kaido's devil fruit is the possible implication that Kaido is working with the Marines Maybe Vegapunk examined him one of the many times he was captured. Or maybe he’s an escaped experiment? This part I doubt though since Kaido was around 40 years ago and Vegapunk doesn’t seem that old. RatHat fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Feb 5, 2020 06:35
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Bleck posted:the real interesting thing about Vegapunk somehow copying Kaido's devil fruit is the possible implication that Kaido is working with the Marines There is a question raised there given it's implied Orochi is a WG coup to gain control of Wano's resources, and the Marines don't seem to have any shortage of Seastone, which can supposedly only be refined there.
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Feb 5, 2020 06:59
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There is a question raised there given it's implied Orochi is a WG coup to gain control of Wano's resources, and the Marines don't seem to have any shortage of Seastone, which can supposedly only be refined there. That makes sense. It'd be a HUGE and constant source of income for Kaido and resources for the Marines and Kaido doesn't even need to be made aware of the buyer since it can all be done under the guise of "using the Black Market to avoid alerting the Marines" and we've already seen Lucci be aware and involved in the Black Market during the Punk Hazard arc so we know it's up their alley.
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Feb 5, 2020 07:38
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If Kaido is working for the marines he can't be very trustworthy if Drake is there to keep an eye on him.
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Feb 5, 2020 07:39
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He wouldn't be working with the Marines he'd be working with the World Government. Drake seemed pretty surprised and nonplussed about CP-0 being on Wano so I can't imagine what's going on is being filtered down to the marines..
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Maybe Kaido doesn’t have a dragon fruit and is actually a shapeshifting dragon, or the dragon form is his base form? And vegapunk just tried to replicate that like all the other replicated animals.
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Bisse posted:Maybe Kaido doesn’t have a dragon fruit and is actually a shapeshifting dragon, or the dragon form is his base form? And vegapunk just tried to replicate that like all the other replicated animals. That's been a theory for a long while now, and could go either way. (especially since Chopper is explicit precedent) Note that Momo's fruit is explicitly Vegapunk's work, while all the other SMILE fruits we've seen are Caesar Clown's knockoffs. What we haven't seen from Kaido yet is any form in between his dragon form and Oni-like human form, while it's established every Zoan user has at least three forms; their base form, the fully transformed animal form, and an in-between. (Chopper's usual form is his in-between, and is tiny and adorable for little real reason other than being cute and merchandisable) There's not a lot of real consistency between these, mind. The evidence combined with mythological precedent does lean towards Kaido likely being an oni-like giant, and/or flat out the Wano version of an Oni, especially since apparently he has a bunch of allies who are terrifying horned giants with drinking problems. On the other hand though, it'd be very much like Oda to specifically wrong-foot us about that, and it'd be cool and funny for one of the Emperors to be basically the amped-up version of Chopper. (also, dragons with drinking problems as a weakness has mythological precedent, at least if Okami is any indication)
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Bisse posted:Maybe Kaido doesn’t have a dragon fruit and is actually a shapeshifting dragon, or the dragon form is his base form? And vegapunk just tried to replicate that like all the other replicated animals. I feel he’d be constantly headhunted by Big Mom for her scrapebook if he was some rare beast
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As far as I'm concerned, it's pretty open and shut due to the fact that the Oni is way stronger than the Dragon. He got tossed around by Oden and Luffy as a dragon and then transformed into the Oni to 1-shot them. According to the logic of Zoan powers, which we know is consistent for animal to humanoid zoans as we have Chopper as precedent, the "full shapeshift" form is stronger than the base animal form. It also hit me when writing this that we've never seen Kaido's hybrid shape. Assuming that's not his awakened form or whatever. Tolth fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Worth noting that the official data cards/book specifically don’t name Kaido’s devil fruit or even acknowledge that he has one at all.
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Feb 5, 2020 14:28
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yum posted:I feel he’d be constantly headhunted by Big Mom for her scrapebook if he was some rare beast It's been noted already that Big Mom and Kaido go way back, (to the point where it's possible Kaido is the father of some of Big Mom's kids) and kind of clear that they're considered equals in power, not someone Big Mom goes after lightly. Incidentally, it's not new for some seeming Devil Fruit abilities to go unnamed for a while; Kidd's apparent metal-control power has been acknowledged as a Devil Fruit ability (and compared with Luffy and Law) but yet to be given a name.
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Cat Machine posted:Worth noting that the official data cards/book specifically don’t name Kaido’s devil fruit or even acknowledge that he has one at all. yeah, that was my first hint that got me theorizing. modern oda's kinda gotten into the habit of naming a character's fruit in an odabox once it's very clear what the fruit is so it stuck out to me when he very pointedly didn't do that after we'd seen dragon kaido
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Feb 5, 2020 14:50
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Momonosuke's also not had an in between form either.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's been noted already that Big Mom and Kaido go way back, (to the point where it's possible Kaido is the father of some of Big Mom's kids) and kind of clear that they're considered equals in power, not someone Big Mom goes after lightly. Yeah, the personal relationship thing probably trumps everything else for Big Mom. It’ll be interesting to see how they interacted with each other when we get the Rocks flashback.
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Kild posted:Momonosuke's also not had an in between form either. Mainly because he cant really control it. Were prob going to get some exposition on it when we get back to the present
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Feb 5, 2020 18:03
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Maybe the humanoid Kaido is the hybrid form and his human form is like 6’3”
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Feb 5, 2020 18:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The evidence combined with mythological precedent does lean towards Kaido likely being an oni-like giant, and/or flat out the Wano version of an Oni, especially since apparently he has a bunch of allies who are terrifying horned giants with drinking problems. On the other hand though, it'd be very much like Oda to specifically wrong-foot us about that, and it'd be cool and funny for one of the Emperors to be basically the amped-up version of Chopper. (also, dragons with drinking problems as a weakness has mythological precedent, at least if Okami is any indication)
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Kild posted:Momonosuke's also not had an in between form either. Come to think of it, neither did Marco, Sengoku, or Drake. They're forms seem to be either full animal or full human as I recall. Mythical and Prehistoric Zoan's could be special cases.
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Feb 5, 2020 19:49
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doomrider7 posted:Come to think of it, neither did Marco, Sengoku, or Drake. They're forms seem to be either full animal or full human as I recall. Mythical and Prehistoric Zoan's could be special cases. 
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Was about to actually post that since I was thinking if we had seen Drake or not. With mythical ones it still seems to stand though which still begs the question if there's anything unique about them since they're stated to be even more rare than logia's.
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