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People need to start making up their mind whether they want to reform the DNC or beat Trump in 2020, because it is increasingly likely that both can't happen at the same time.
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this caucus has made me feel very mentally unwell, I am normally somewhat paranoid but never in my wildest dreams did I expect them to just not release the results.
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Limerick posted:I don't want to advocate for socialists splitting off to form a 3rd party. I don't want to suggest a course of action that lets Republicans do whatever the gently caress they want for a decade due to vote splitting. it's pretty hosed up because the last thing I want is a non-Bernie Dem running. i will probably write-in Bernie and vote downticket Dems if Bernie doesn't get the nom. but he will.
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SchrodingersCat posted:At this point I think Sanders supporters need to just start saying "gently caress unity" and pledge to write in Sanders regardless of who the Dem candidate is. 
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pod save america? no, pod drat america
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Jewel Repetition posted:That's the biggest obstacle, just like it was the biggest obstacle to Trump I don't remember, did Trump get the majority of delegates and avoid getting a brokered convention or did the RNC just bend the knee? Personally anyone who isn't dying of Democrat poisoning would be happy to see Bernard win or shatter the party. At least it'd finally break the stagnant political cycle.
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Raccooon posted:lol this is it isn't it Yeah go read his Twitter it's a chain of how the pod guys invested in a company, got acronym to buy it, then had acronym CEO on their show to hype up their products, etc
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gradenko_2000 posted:Thick ropes of votes 
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Thoguh posted:How do you propose they do that short of calling everyone in and asking them to redo their precinct? you don't. the vote totals stay. but say in a precinct yang goes to second round and won X state delegates, but it turns out that he wasn't actually viable for second round. his delegates should not stand. those would have to be distributed to the viable options. additionally, rounding errors could be correctable as well. mastershakeman posted:That doesn't explain the total radio silence or lack of slow updates. If they were reporting in another 10 precincts an hour and saying hey we are redoing all the math by hand + in soreadhseets to make sure it's right, this'll take days - fine. Cool, no big problem. But they aren't and it's obvious why they arent i agree that radio silence and no updates is lovely. its no surprise that party apparatus dislikes bernie.
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mastershakeman posted:Jack Allison pretty much nailed it , the pod save America guys were instrumental in both getting the company going then selling it to friendly people in Iowans since they all think they're geniuses for writing speeches over a decade ago of course it was a grift. of course
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol there’s gotta be a good story here, wikileaks do your thing plz so did the dnc force feed them the app or not?
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Limerick posted:I don't want to advocate for socialists splitting off to form a 3rd party. I don't want to suggest a course of action that lets Republicans do whatever the gently caress they want for a decade due to vote splitting. They already do. That's the problem. In my entire lifetime, it really feels like the Democrats' highest ambition is "slow down the Republicans a bit but don't actually change directions" with a side of "throw a bone to gay people like once." If the nominee is Biden or Buttigieg or even Warren, we'll be given the choice between a fast march to full fascism and complete climate catastrophe (Republicans), or a slightly slower one (Democrats, who will lose to Republicans again in short order having accomplished very little in the meantime). We lose either way, and by "we" I mean "everyone except the old and super-rich." Right now, I'll admit I'd probably still hold my nose and vote for a Democrat for president if I absolutely had to if only because I see at least some value in buying a bit more time. I haven't gone full accelerationist. But god drat if I'm not right on the loving cliff.
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The way this is going, Dems are going to lose shitloads of votes and enthusiasm, and Trump will get a second term.
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accusations of fraud no matter how blatant are right wing conspiracies sincerely, rich people
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Pollyanna posted:The way this is going, Dems are going to lose shitloads of votes and enthusiasm, and Trump will get a second term. Trump isn't going to raise taxes on the rich Democratic elite or destroy their little grift game so, yes, they do want this.
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Limerick posted:If Bernie wins a plurality but isn't the nominee, it would guarantee Trump's re-election. The Dems know that, right? That's the biggest question from now until June. Would the Democratic establishment destroy their own party just to stop a social democratic president. "No" is the rational answer, "yes" is the answer deep down inside we all know is the correct one.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol there’s gotta be a good story here, wikileaks do your thing plz lol bullshit, it was already leaked that the DNC pushed the app onto Iowa. This is pure CYA
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Hillary Clinton 49.84% Bernie Sanders 49.59% we absolutely, 110% won in 2016.
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lol imagine if in 2000 they just counted 71%of the votes and went "welp, i guess bush won, we'll count and release the rest of the votes later, like probably after january 20th or something"
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Spime Wrangler posted:so did the dnc force feed them the app or not? they're going to point fingers at each other until people eventually just drop it and they'll get away with it lmao
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jimmyjams posted:lol imagine if in 2000 they just counted 71%of the votes and went "welp, i guess bush won, we'll count and release the rest of the votes later, like probably after january 20th or something" i said this before but we had TWO Full counts within 72 hours in FL. the first count and the first machine recount were both completed. for millions of votes.
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Limerick posted:If Bernie wins a plurality but isn't the nominee, it would guarantee Trump's re-election. The Dems know that, right? Yes. They prefer that to Bernie winning. They're barely even trying to hide it anymore. They would rather nuke their own party for a generation or more than give their nomination to Bernie Sanders.
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jimmyjams posted:lol imagine if in 2000 they just counted 71%of the votes and went "welp, i guess bush won, we'll count and release the rest of the votes later, like probably after january 20th or something"
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Dreylad posted:I don't remember, did Trump get the majority of delegates and avoid getting a brokered convention or did the RNC just bend the knee? He did get over the threshold toward the end. It fairly close
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jimmyjams posted:lol imagine if in 2000 they just counted 71%of the votes and went "welp, i guess bush won, we'll count and release the rest of the votes later, like probably after january 20th or something" we live in a corncob republic imagine if the supreme court said "well these votes don't count, bush won, this is a specific ruling so do NOT apply this ruling to anything else"
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troy price retire binch
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The potential value in arguing for vote abstention now is to make people take the electability threat seriously. The main problem with that is that people don't evaluate the argument logically; they interpret it as an immoral threat and just retreat further into their position. But then again, it's not as if anyone who is invested enough in the primaries to be aware of that argument is persuadable anyway.
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Spime Wrangler posted:so did the dnc force feed them the app or not? No it was the pod guys Although maybe they acted in concert with DNC friends https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1224810927549112320 
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I think the correct vote in the general is to vote Bernie no matter what and then only vote for the dems that were either endorsed by him or by other major leftist groups. Like there is no way I'm voting for my dem house rep again after they voted to fund the child concentration camps Like 2020 is the last test to see if electoralism can be a path to fix things. If it turns out it is not then there is no harm in protest voting, as the system will have to be changed or destroyed from outside it Feldegast42 has issued a correction as of 17:11 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Has Polk been counted yet? https://twitter.com/bagniewski/status/1224884476213387265?s=19
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charity rereg posted:i said this before but we had TWO Full counts within 72 hours in FL. the first count and the first machine recount were both completed. for millions of votes. once again, that's counting votes not going over every single scribbled up scorecard with math done by septuagenarians
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Here's a google sheet with all the 71% district-by-district data if anyone wants to play around with it to try and lie to themselves and others with the demon magic statistics. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aN0CGfS77nXQd_HdncWk-MJ67tpiH_H115bisTJZxiU/edit?usp=sharing
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Rodatose posted:pod save america? no, pod drat america
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eh i dunno why i'm giving any deference. gently caress them release the numbers.
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Harrow posted:troy price retire binch agreed, and also if you want an old av along with the bernie or bust gang tag, let me know
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Flip Yr Wig posted:The potential value in arguing for vote abstention now is to make people take the electability threat seriously. The main problem with that is that people don't evaluate the argument logically; they interpret it as an immoral threat and just retreat further into their position. But then again, it's not as if anyone who is invested enough in the primaries to be aware of that argument is persuadable anyway. I would say the value in arguing for vote abstention right now is to each other. We're reassuring each other so that we won't get psyopped and flinch later this year if it comes to that
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