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AD is just a giant jobs program for people the government would be taking care of one way or another 
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True. Pay them UBI and offer other social welfare programs so they can do more productive things than be in a full time military status.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:10
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Flying_Crab posted:I’m trying to understand why we need a massive AD Army (particularly BCTs) in this day and age. Keep enough active around for training, intel, SOF, various support functions, etc. and enough active BCTs to give time to mobilize ARNG/Reserve units in the outbreak of an immediate conflict. We’d have to grow the ARNG first though I guess, maybe slowly convert active units to ARNG at their current locations. Part of the problem is you need somewhere to train the BN and higher levels of staff. The Guard isn't good at that because company level is all they can usually get together for a drill weekend. Using the ARNG runs into the problem of retention. How do you keep people in the Guard when the deployment cycle means constant interference in their civilian lives?
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Feb 5, 2020 16:15
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FrozenVent posted:Pundit classes saying Secret Agent Butt won handily, momentum and now lease on life. Sanders nothing unexpected, meh, it’s a turnout thing. It's almost like the results aren't being fully released so that this narrative can hang around. Weird. Maybe they'll finally get all the results in by the time of the convention?
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Feb 5, 2020 16:20
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Flying_Crab posted:I’m trying to understand why we need a massive AD Army (particularly BCTs) in this day and age. Keep enough active around for training, intel, SOF, various support functions, etc. and enough active BCTs to give time to mobilize ARNG/Reserve units in the outbreak of an immediate conflict. We’d have to grow the ARNG first though I guess, maybe slowly convert active units to ARNG at their current locations. it's a welfare program
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Feb 5, 2020 16:25
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SimonCat posted:Part of the problem is you need somewhere to train the BN and higher levels of staff. The Guard isn't good at that because company level is all they can usually get together for a drill weekend. Ideally we wouldn't need to be deploying people because we'll finally end our occupation of various countries, but who am I kidding.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:29
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SimonCat posted:Part of the problem is you need somewhere to train the BN and higher levels of staff. The Guard isn't good at that because company level is all they can usually get together for a drill weekend. I did think of that and there’s no reason why we couldn’t run the ARNG units with a full time active/AGR BN & above staff.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:40
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Flying_Crab posted:True. Pay them UBI and offer other social welfare programs so they can do more product things than be in a full time military status. I agree this is what we SHOULD do, but realistically what percentage of our enlisted lifers who couldn't hack a job where they can get fired or don't have non-taxed entitlements will actually be productive? It's just a messy spot.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:41
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:it's a welfare program Indeed. Bring back the Civilian Conservation Corps and WPA instead.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:41
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I mean we could expand social welfare programs/services, invest in education, health care, housing and nutrition to everyone but clearly we can't afford that.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:42
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maffew buildings posted:I mean we could expand social welfare programs/services, invest in education, health care, housing and nutrition to everyone but clearly we can't afford that. It would require taxing those poor, downtrodden captains of industry who are barely scraping by, braving providing us jobs.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:44
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I'd be pretty nervous about handing over too much combat arms stuff to the guard.
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Feb 5, 2020 16:47
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You guys are living in a fantasy world if you think that reserve combat arms is a good idea. Just look at 3/25 as one of many examples of why weekend warriors don’t make for good first line troops.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:17
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Hekk posted:You guys are living in a fantasy world if you think that reserve combat arms is a good idea. Just look at 3/25 as one of many examples of why weekend warriors don’t make for good first line troops. Or the marine reservists in Generation Kill.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:28
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Blowing up dirt is our social welfare program. Its just the most inefficient way possible of doing it. Also while yes combat arms is not a job you can realistically outsource to the guard there really should be less use of combat arms in the world anyway so...?
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Feb 5, 2020 17:38
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Putting reservist units in place just sounds like different people to gently caress the same things up. You make it sound like your average unit is competent and not a turd just looking for some place to drop.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:43
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My deployed shop's two biggest idiots were both ARTs. Unfortunately one of them was NCOIC, and the other was his little toadie. The next two shittiest were a couple active duty guys who were both about to retire. One as a E6 because he had several EPRs that said he couldn't work with other people. The rest of us were all regular guardsmen who just wanted to get the job done and get back to our regular lives. I was just shocked that the two people I ended up hating the most were both guard, but that was largely a culture thing. Pretty much everyone I met from that wing was a piece of poo poo.
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Feb 5, 2020 18:07
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So, uh, just hold the phone for a second. I missed the SOTU, and Rush Limbaugh got the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
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Feb 5, 2020 18:18
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Duzzy Funlop posted:So, uh, just hold the phone for a second. I missed the SOTU, and Rush Limbaugh got the Presidential Medal of Freedom? 
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Feb 5, 2020 18:21
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If I were president I'd be handing those things out like candy. Active duty military on X date? PMoF. Random White House tour group? PMoF. Anyone who got in the top bracket of the Presidential Fitness Test? PMoF.
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Feb 5, 2020 18:34
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Casimir Radon posted:I'd be pretty nervous about handing over too much combat arms stuff to the guard. The Guard has all the combat arms, the Reserves have the support units. This is getting into a bit of Active vs Guard dick waving. Active is better at higher level command functions because they exercise them regularly. The Guard can bring in a bit more common sense as they don't live their entire lives in a military setting. Having AGR BN/BDE staff without full time troops to command really sounds like a way to let the Good Idea Fairy run rampant, the folks at the state JFHQ are bad enough.
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A Bad Poster posted:If I were president I'd be handing those things out like candy. Active duty military on X date? PMoF. Random White House tour group? PMoF. Anyone who got in the top bracket of the Presidential Fitness Test? PMoF. Took out Tom Brady's knee? PMoF
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Casimir Radon posted:My deployed shop's two biggest idiots were both ARTs. Unfortunately one of them was NCOIC, and the other was his little toadie. The next two shittiest were a couple active duty guys who were both about to retire. One as a E6 because he had several EPRs that said he couldn't work with other people. The rest of us were all regular guardsmen who just wanted to get the job done and get back to our regular lives. I was just shocked that the two people I ended up hating the most were both guard, but that was largely a culture thing. Pretty much everyone I met from that wing was a piece of poo poo. How do you even get a bad EPR in this day and age?
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Feb 5, 2020 18:42
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That Works posted:Took out Tom Brady's knee? PMoF Bernard Pollard is a national hero
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CommieGIR posted:How do you even get a bad EPR in this day and age? Turns out some of the troops are jerks
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maffew buildings posted:I mean we could expand social welfare programs/services, invest in education, health care, housing and nutrition to everyone but clearly we can't afford that. I've brought this up before, but our European welfare states were built during the cold war when we spent a similar percentage of GDP on our militaries as the US does now, post cold war. There's no financial reason you couldn't have both. Hell, as our (universal but not single payer) healthcare system is actually cheaper then yours, you could arguably even spend more on defense than you do now and come out ahead.
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Feb 5, 2020 18:48
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Duzzy Funlop posted:So, uh, just hold the phone for a second. I missed the SOTU, and Rush Limbaugh got the Presidential Medal of Freedom? And Melania put it on him. https://twitter.com/TLCplMax/status/1225097206929096705?s=19 The one time I'm happy that lung cancer is supposedly very, very painful.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Or the marine reservists in Generation Kill. Literally the first thing that came to mind.
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CommieGIR posted:How do you even get a bad EPR in this day and age?
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facialimpediment posted:And Melania put it on him. It's not like he's a stranger to painkillers SimonCat posted:Part of the problem is you need somewhere to train the BN and higher levels of staff. The Guard isn't good at that because company level is all they can usually get together for a drill weekend. You say that, but it seems like most wars start off with anyone over Lieutenant having to unlearn most of what they know anyway. Would it really be much worse to start with a totally green staff?
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Prop Wash posted:
emphatically yes, as demonstrated time and time again throughout history. unless you don't care about throwing away massive numbers of lives pointlessly right at the start of a conflict because the staff is loving stupid.
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Feb 5, 2020 19:05
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Duzzy Funlop posted:So, uh, just hold the phone for a second. I missed the SOTU, and Rush Limbaugh got the Presidential Medal of Freedom? He called women sluts for wanting birth control covered by the ACA, so in the eyes of Rapey Tinyhands he's a hero.
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Feb 5, 2020 19:12
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Mr. Nice! posted:Ideally we wouldn't need to be deploying people because we'll finally end our occupation of various countries, but who am I kidding. ARNG is going to have issues with recruitment and retention even without wars when M4A and free college becomes a thing. Sure the military will get a few "defend our freedoms" recruits but I really don't see how it's going to maintain current numbers without a complete overhaul.
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shame on an IGA posted:Public awareness of the true depths of elite depravity has moved so much since 2014 that the final episodes of Bojack Horseman had to do a retcon because his irredeemable sins from the first seasons don't seem so bad in comparison to real life What did they do?
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Cyks posted:ARNG is going to have issues with recruitment and retention even without wars when M4A and free college becomes a thing. thats part of the benefit
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BigDave posted:He called women sluts for wanting birth control covered by the ACA, so in the eyes of Rapey Tinyhands he's a hero. See, this is my favorite part: But you like sluts, Rush/Trump. You've said so. So what's the problem here? Your guys ARE sluts. Wouldn't birth control basically solve the need for you to have abortions with your many mistresses? What are you guys on about??
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Cyks posted:ARNG is going to have issues with recruitment and retention even without wars when M4A and free college becomes a thing. My state is trying to hit me and about 150 others with a chargeback on our fall tuition for a new policy to use our FTA before the state guard scholarship program. I want to use my FTA in the summer at another university, but because I COULD use my FTA and didn't use my 1606 GI bill in the fall, they are saying they're going to charge that back from the school and make me pay it out of pocket. All because the FTA could pay instead of the state having to fund it (as they have agreed to in multiple contracts I have that pay no mention to this new policy). If they actually push for it and try to charge me I'm going to seek legal counsel, thanks guard.
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Holy poo poo. https://twitter.com/yarabayoumy/status/1225133212969684992?s=19 https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1225133956246507520?s=19 I didn't think he had it in him. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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The NYTimes covered a SotU watch party. It’s obviously CHUDs galore, but it’s made me realize that Trump is literally a god to them, they have a religious devotion. For all the atheists who criticize religion, who would have thought that a secular society would just lead to supporting an idol like him? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/politics/trump-supporters-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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