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gently caress mitt Romney for using Vilerats death as a political photo op. I don't care what he does now, he can rot on hell.
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sexpig by night posted:let's not make any bones about this. Mitt's wrong. He's dead wrong that there's any future for old style sadistic ghouls like him who are mainly upset that these new ghouls are just so OVERT about the agenda, and Utah still is solidly pro-Trump. He's self-immolating. You can call it brave and principled and all if you believe in that but he'll be alone in this and aside from the typical "SIR WELCOME TO THE RESISTANCE, I AM WIPING TEARS FROM MY EYES SIR" nonsense no one on the democratic side should give a poo poo what he thinks. We're still at risk of losing possibly two votes to completely nullify his move because our two most famous cowards are immune from getting whipped it seems. romeney is also popular as gently caress utah, so he will probably survive. his whole thing is hoping to survive november and trump and mitch and co getting booted and than taking over leadership of the party and probably trying to push the more insane poo poo a little underground to pretend they are like Ike again. it won't work(least the later part) but it ruins trumps narrative so lol.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:05
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Dapper_Swindler posted:romeney is also popular as gently caress utah, so he will probably survive. his whole thing is hoping to survive november and trump and mitch and co getting booted and than taking over leadership of the party and probably trying to push the more insane poo poo a little underground to pretend they are like Ike again. it won't work(least the later part) but it ruins trumps narrative so lol. he doesn't have to survive November, just survive Trump. He was elected in 2018 and he isn't up again until (hopefully) well after Trump is gone.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:07
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:he doesn't have to survive November, just survive Trump. He was elected in 2018 and he isn't up again until (hopefully) well after Trump is gone. oh yeah. sorry. i am dumb lol.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:08
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Romney sucks, but at least he's smart enough to know how Trump will go down in history.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:09
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Romney is going to use this as a springboard for something. He is from that old school business Republican class that is sick of what the GOP has become. I deal with those guys on a regular basis, they hate Trump and how the GOP has lost whatever values it once had but will never vote Democrat because they do not agree with the liberal/progressive platform on a business sense. I honestly would not be surprised if there is a lot of the big money business people supporting this from behind the scenes as well. This would make more sense if there was a block of classic Conservatives running to Primary many of the incumbents though. Dapper_Swindler's take is likely the correct one; this is payback to Trump and he is positioning himself to lead the GOP after they get thrashed for all of this.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:10
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I think Romney was probably the last person that Team Trump wanted to break ranks. He's popular in his state, is probably one of the more well known senators in general, and him folding like this just makes every chuddy senator that was "on the fence" look utterly stupid. Won't change the end result of the votes, true, but I think we should take any victory we can at this point.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:13
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BigglesSWE posted:I think Romney was probably the last person that Team Trump wanted to break ranks. He's popular in his state, is probably one of the more well known senators in general, and him folding like this just makes every chuddy senator that was "on the fence" look utterly stupid. Won't change the end result of the votes, true, but I think we should take any victory we can at this point. If anything I hope it makes Susan Collins cry.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:14
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Also, when (not if, when) more stuff leaks and is revealed in the upcoming months, Romney can claim plausible deniability: he at least saw the writing on the wall.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:15
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So is Trump busy trying to nuke Utah or have Romney arrested or something? He cancelled a press conference that he was going to brag at, so he must be tantruming hard.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:16
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I think this was just pure dislike of Trump. There is no strategy. Romney is rich enough to not need to latch onto the grift gravy train, and the party is still going to be the party of Trump long after he is gone. The GOP has gone too far to ever turn back. Also, memories are forever in the age of social media and Twitter.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:16
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I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thinks Mitt Romney breaking ranks is going to result in anything other than his political career being destroyed by the remainder of the Republican party. I mean, it's pretty clear at this point they've gone full fascist with how they've treated the entire impeachment process and I just don't see how this makes any difference at all to anybody but Romney.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:18
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IPlayVideoGames posted:So is Trump busy trying to nuke Utah or have Romney arrested or something? He cancelled a press conference that he was going to brag at, so he must be tantruming hard. The only thing that could make this better (apart from Trump getting ousted but lol) would be if Romney dropped this while Trump was in the middle of his jerkoff-conference. Hearing from assembled journalists that Mitt just stabbed him in the back in front of live cameras might've been just the push that was needed for that overdue megastroke. 
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Feb 5, 2020 21:18
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mds2 posted:Same here. I swore he was an actual robot. Nice to see a Senator with a small shred of integrity. Someone post the pic of him trying his hardest and still failing to not smile when announcing that one of our forums members was murdered , apparently some people have forgotten
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Feb 5, 2020 21:20
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thinks Mitt Romney breaking ranks is going to result in anything other than his political career being destroyed by the remainder of the Republican party. It's going to result in considerable hilarity as well, so I'm all for it.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:20
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I think Romney sucks but I think he does actually believe in the things he says he believes in.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:20
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He is a man of integrity. lovely, lovely integrity.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:20
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Framboise posted:What Romney just did honestly deserves commendation. Not that doing the right thing deserves asspats, but having the guts to do it knowing that his party is going to tear him apart for it is respectable. Over the past four years we’ve been asking where the bottom for the GOP to sink to has been. At least we know we’ve hit bottom for one of them.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:25
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Booourns posted:Someone post the pic of him trying his hardest and still failing to not smile when announcing that one of our forums members was murdered , apparently some people have forgotten I am not sure how many folks know about Vilerat. I feel like I only learned about the situation a year or two after it happened.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:28
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Graham currently doing his Wormtongue thing on the Senate floor. Started flapping his wings and squawking then had to pause because he forgot to put on his mic and nobody could hear him, which is pretty on the nose.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:28
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syntaxrigger posted:I am not sure how many folks know about Vilerat. I feel like I only learned about the situation a year or two after it happened. I'm surprised. It went all over the forums, it seemed. Lowtax posted an announcement and there was a fundraiser for his family, IIRC.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:31
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thinks Mitt Romney breaking ranks is going to result in anything other than his political career being destroyed by the remainder of the Republican party. That it makes a difference to him is the point. If there were ten Romneys instead of one, you'd still get 80% of the same absurdly awful Republican legislation, if not 90%, but you could convince them about things, present facts to them, and some of the time it'd work, and some of the time that you were able to convince them, they'd be able to convince their boot-slobbering colleagues. So ideally, giving him a pat on the head and an extra helping of Goldfish at snack time is an incentive to keep acting like this - he has until 2024 before he has to worry about an election, after all - because having opponents who are capable of deciding based on principle is better than only having opponents who follow Dear Leader's every whim. PIZZA.BAT posted:Over the past four years we've been asking where the bottom for the GOP to sink to has been. At least we know we've hit bottom for one of them. And it's (barely) noteworthy that it's the abuse of power charge that got him, not the obstruction of congress; he's not doing this out of the "must keep senate strong! co-equal branch of congress!!" motivation that I think the authors of the Constitution would have expected to be ubiquitous. And it's not "oh no, must defend Mr Biden!!!" the way it might be for some Democrats; he says he's bothered by the actual abuse of power, and he probably actually is. It suggests that if the Mueller report hadn't had Barr happen to it, and/or if Mueller hadn't been quite so coy about Trump having ever personally done anything wrong, impeachment based on that might have gotten Romney's attention too.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:33
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Booourns posted:Someone post the pic of him trying his hardest and still failing to not smile when announcing that one of our forums members was murdered , apparently some people have forgotten I think this is best followed by a video of Romney trying to use what Obama did instead as a 'gotcha' in a debate only to fall flat on his face and thus doom his election chances.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:34
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zonohedron posted:That it makes a difference to him is the point. If there were ten Romneys instead of one, you'd still get 80% of the same absurdly awful Republican legislation, if not 90%, but you could convince them about things, present facts to them, and some of the time it'd work, and some of the time that you were able to convince them, they'd be able to convince their boot-slobbering colleagues. So ideally, giving him a pat on the head and an extra helping of Goldfish at snack time is an incentive to keep acting like this - he has until 2024 before he has to worry about an election, after all - because having opponents who are capable of deciding based on principle is better than only having opponents who follow Dear Leader's every whim. this. Romney sucks but he has "enough" integrity to realize trump is an abusive monster and wont last. meanwhile graham and the others kneel before president monster mash and pledge their loyalty to the graveyard smash.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:38
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Feb 5, 2020 21:39
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cmon joe you ol sack of poo poo, do the right thing here
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Feb 5, 2020 21:39
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Data Graham posted:I really hope some reporter asks Collins what she thinks now that Trump went "lol no I didn't" Your wish is granted. https://twitter.com/GreggWGME/status/1225146095690489857?s=20
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Feb 5, 2020 21:40
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Good for her. Genuinely. This piece of poo poo is literally a parody.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:40
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i think he will. Sinema was the one i was most worried about. joe will bend the knee.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:41
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ok even by Manchin standards if he buckles when Jones and Sinema stand strong he'd look pathetic. I think we may actually have a unified front
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Feb 5, 2020 21:42
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big trivia FAIL posted:yes the Dems need another (D) that votes along with Republicans 90% of the time Get the majority and all kinds of important poo poo happens differently, who cares how the D votes
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Feb 5, 2020 21:42
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think he will. Sinema was the one i was most worried about. joe will bend the knee. yea Manchin is a scumbag with no actual values but he's a political animal at the core, Sinema genuinely thinks if she just tapdances harder for the right they'll eventually see the light somehow. I was way more worried about her vote than his (I am still worried about his vote though)
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Feb 5, 2020 21:43
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I don't mean to sound all "nothing matters" because it's not my intent, but what long run impact are a few GOP conviction votes going to have? It needs a 2/3 majority to happen, right? Like it's obviously not a bad thing that sucky people are finally growing a ghost of a conscience, but it is kinda too little too late here.
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Framboise posted:I don't mean to sound all "nothing matters" because it's not my intent, but what long run impact are a few GOP conviction votes going to have? It needs a 2/3 majority to happen, right? a tie or majority (even 51/49) vote symbolically matters a lot, as does party solidarity, in the narrative that comes out of it. but yeah to get him out of office NOW? doesn't matter at all
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Framboise posted:I don't mean to sound all "nothing matters" because it's not my intent, but what long run impact are a few GOP conviction votes going to have? It needs a 2/3 majority to happen, right? We never expected impeachment to result in removal. That's why half of us were always like "why bother". What a few GOP defections does is remove Trump's ability to crow about it as a purely partisan affair with 100% REPUBLICAN SUPPORT, TOTAL EXONERATION EXCEPT BY THE DO NOTHING DEMS.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Get the majority and all kinds of important poo poo happens differently, who cares how the D votes the people who need loving healthcare and want to see people not getting blown up for being in the wrong part of desert, you ghoul. Framboise posted:I don't mean to sound all "nothing matters" because it's not my intent, but what long run impact are a few GOP conviction votes going to have? It needs a 2/3 majority to happen, right? oh yea Trump still skates but the bare minimum to hope for here is a unified D conviction vote with a R defector to get Trump angry even as he wins
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Framboise posted:I don't mean to sound all "nothing matters" because it's not my intent, but what long run impact are a few GOP conviction votes going to have? It needs a 2/3 majority to happen, right? he wont get convicted. its about ruining the GOPs narrative of partisand witchhunt. plus romney is well liked in political circles.
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sexpig by night posted:ok even by Manchin standards if he buckles when Jones and Sinema stand strong he'd look pathetic. I think we may actually have a unified front Yeah if Jones and Sinema are voting for removal, and there is a GOP crossover, it looks really bad for him to cave.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:47
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That makes sense, yeah. I'm sure the lunatic will still spin it with lies, but the nation will know where the numbers stand.
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This encapsulates the spirit of everything Collins has done so perfectly, acting based on some wishfully rose-colored depiction of a world that just doesn't exist in real life.
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