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Mozi posted:you are doing the opposite of getting real information out. you are spreading complete bullshit as if it were or might be fact. You are doing a really great job defending the CCP though. Recent reports have shown that the Chinese government knew about this back in November and suppressed information about it "aka said everything is fine!" to protect political meetings in January and to protect their economy during lunar new year. Heck there are hundreds of articles about it. Take your pick. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-02-03/coronavirus-china-media-censorship-propaganda
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unpacked robinhood posted:It's not fear mongering it's lol china mongering china mongering is what got this all started jeez. you got your koala monger, your snake monger, we should be talking more about the evils of all around mongering and not be picky. 'if you can't monge it yourself don't eat it' is a good rule of thumb, and you can't monge china.
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Pawn 17 posted:So we should just unquestioningly trust the official numbers? It's not really a matter of trusting the official numbers vs not. It's a matter of recognizing that there's no feasible way to obtain reliable numbers. Reports from China are that most people aren't even being accepted into hospital care and that testing is unreliable at best. There are plenty of projections of big numbers based on these facts and maybe Tencent is posting one of those, but there's no reason to believe that A) the Chinese government has a secret, true tally of confirmed cases or that B) Tencent is receiving it (this would be equivalent to the US Government deliberately sending secrets to Facebook)
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Sten Freak posted:My parents are taking the family on a cruise in June and honestly it's the first thing I thought of when this flu started hitting the news. If it is that bad, they will likely have to cancel the cruise as governments prohibit international travel and you will get your money back. Which is good because if it comes that far, you will need it to buy basic things once prices go through the roof.
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Pawn 17 posted:You are doing a really great job defending the CCP though. You gotta take a step back guy, cause you are seeing things they aren't saying. Their whole point isn't that they are telling the truth, but that the actual numbers are most likely unknowable.
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Pawn 17 posted:You are doing a really great job defending the CCP though. Seriously you are doing some Loose Change poo poo. Mozi has acknowledged all of this and that the Chinese government's numbers are not trustworthy or reliable. You're confusing criticism of a goofy-rear end conspiracy with an ardent defense of the Chinese government when all Mozi is really saying is "they don't even have the ability to gather those numbers"
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but yeah I'm sure they're making a good faith effort to generate and report accurate numbers to the world and not obviously systematically downplaying it poverty goat fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Tomathan posted:You gotta take a step back guy, cause you are seeing things they aren't saying. Their whole point isn't that they are telling the truth, but that the actual numbers are most likely unknowable. lol, yes truly the real numbers completely are unknowable and we definitely don’t have internal estimates and external official estimates like for everything else. Now here is our good faith best estimate that no one is to question.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Can you tell me what keyword to search for this kind of boat services? I remember a video of a youtuber crossing the Atlantic on one of those freight ships. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Freighter_travel
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poverty goat posted:
friend do you understand how bullets 2 and 3 directly contradict the notion that they have "official" true tallies? how are they going to get a secret count of all of the infected if they're deliberately not testing everyone? do you even know what you're arguing anymore?
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I imagine the hospitals are at least logging the number of people showing up so they might be able to make a rough inference of the number of infected based on the deviation from the hospital visits in previous seasons.
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lets all go to https://news.qq.com//zt2020/page/feiyan.htm and make our own fake news using basic web tools be sure to take a picture instead of a screenshot to make it more believable i'll start
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Pawn 17 posted:lol, yes truly the real numbers completely are unknowable and we definitely don’t have internal estimates and external official estimates like for everything else. If you dont want to trust the Chinese number, then don't. Nobody put a gun on your head. There are enough oversea numbers to do data mining yourself, instead of making pointless argument about CCP that has nothing to do with the coronavirus. Edit, and there are at least 3 other China threads on SA if you just want to talk about China. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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I think the most accurate numbers currently would be from models, as we know more about how this spreads they will become more and more accurate - currently maybe something on the order of 100k people infected in China on the higher end. I certainly don't mean to downplay the seriousness of the situation at all. And this was a good article. The initial response to the outbreak was bungled to the extent that it is undeniable and people are noticing. Coronavirus Crisis Shows China’s Governance Failure quote:Wuhan’s mayor blamed higher-ups. A senior disease control official blamed layers of bureaucracy. A top government expert blamed the public: The people, he said, simply didn’t understand what he told them.
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Tomathan posted:You gotta take a step back guy, cause you are seeing things they aren't saying. Their whole point isn't that they are telling the truth, but that the actual numbers are most likely unknowable.
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Spectracide posted:lets all go to https://news.qq.com//zt2020/page/feiyan.htm and make our own fake news using basic web tools screen moire as a hologram of authenticity
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China is reporting confirmed cases and people who were confirmed to have died as a direct result of the virus. They are not 'under reporting' any 'estimates', though by nature of reality they are under-reporting actual infected/dead. They could publish their best guesstimates for actual infected/dead, but you don't need to go to them for that, there are plenty of medical experts figuring that out on their own based on more or less the same data. I'm done w/ this anyways, I hate arguing. Things will go as they go and we'll see how it ends up.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html#link-3736fde0 posted:In the early days of the crisis, online vitriol was directed largely at the local authorities, said King-wa Fu, an associate professor at the Journalism and Media Studies Center at the University of Hong Kong.
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Ruggan posted:Rip. Please keep posting updates I don’t think we are quite dead yet. I have a blocked up nose and head, a cough and sneezes and feel like I’ve been in a car accident. Also I feel a bit drunk and when I move my head my eyes don’t quite seem to keep up iykwim. I’ve had some single distillery Martell and I’m lying in bed watching Coronation Street. Work was a struggle today but I haven’t been off sick for over 20 years and I’m a stubborn Yorkshireman so it ain’t beating me. If I go into respiratory failure during the night I’ll let you know!
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executions will be performed after this is over using infected bats on virus island.
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monkeytennis posted:I don’t think we are quite dead yet. I have a blocked up nose and head, a cough and sneezes and feel like I’ve been in a car accident. Also I feel a bit drunk and when I move my head my eyes don’t quite seem to keep up iykwim. Don't go to work if you're sick ffs, my supervisor doing that is why me and my family are now sick
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i have become a fomite
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Shaocaholica posted:executions will be performed after this is over using infected bats on virus island. Jokes on us, virus island is actually a peninsula.
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monkeytennis posted:I don’t think we are quite dead yet. I have a blocked up nose and head, a cough and sneezes and feel like I’ve been in a car accident. Also I feel a bit drunk and when I move my head my eyes don’t quite seem to keep up iykwim. UK patient zero spotted!! :P lol (i know)
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Bardeh posted:Don't go to work if you're sick ffs, my supervisor doing that is why me and my family are now sick I'm a tough guy urff urfff *spreads bat plague everywhere*
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I'm a tubby workshire
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stephenthinkpad posted:If you dont want to trust the Chinese number, then don't. Nobody put a gun on your head. There are enough oversea numbers to do data mining yourself, instead of making pointless argument about CCP that has nothing to do with the coronavirus. Talking about China and how the CCP is handling things is definitely relevant. Of course it is. Like how on earth could you think otherwise?
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i am harry posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/kakape/status/1224754875852054530 its infectious during the incubation period that is loving wild
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https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/02/03/coronavirus-plane-prank/
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I hope they send him the bill for all the extra expense incurred by the airline, each passenger and emergency response. Need to make the publicity cost him
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I don’t think the Chinese data is super accurate but it’s the most accurate data that exists. We have accurate data about the rest of the world and it seems well contained so far, thankfully. Whether the number of cases in China is 20k or 80k the summary is the same: it’s a huge loving problem there
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What a coincidence that the Taiwan "LEAKED SCANDAL this is the real number of the dead" is almost exactly the currently confirmed number of infected. Surely, a vast conspiracy is way more likely than someone accidentically typing the number from column A into column B.
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Let’s just email Chinese crematorium staff and ask them to join the forums and we can get to the bottom of this once and for all
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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225180524760780800?s=19 Numbers still increasing. It's definitely going to be pandemic.
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I bought some stuff off eBay that's coming from China (eventually). I wonder how much of the package by percentage will be comprised of deadly flu virus.
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monkeytennis posted:Work was a struggle today but I haven’t been off sick for over 20 years and I’m a stubborn Yorkshireman so it ain’t beating me. Take a day off you gently caress face nobody wants your germs.
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Carth Dookie posted:I bought some stuff off eBay that's coming from China (eventually). I wonder how much of the package by percentage will be comprised of deadly flu virus. If there was any virus on it it will absolutely be dead by the time it gets to you
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225182925894967297
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FistEnergy posted:https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225180524760780800?s=19 Deaths increased. That's actually slightly less the number of new cases there yesterday. Has growth plateaued or are they just struggling to test more than 3,000 in Hubei?
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Carth Dookie posted:I bought some stuff off eBay that's coming from China (eventually). I wonder how much of the package by percentage will be comprised of deadly flu virus.
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