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I liked the Robocop remake more than most, I think it’s because it did what a lot of remakes fail to do: it took the general premise (a grievously-injured cop turned into a robot crime fighter) and did a lot of different and novel things with it that the original movie didn’t do. Were those things necessarily “better” than what the original did? Maybe not, but at least it wasn’t a beat-by-beat retread and it as willing to try different things while keeping the core premise intact. Like, that’s the kind of remake I like to see. Maybe it works (The Fly, The Thing), but instead of saying “we’re going to retell the same story because we think we can do it better”, it acknowledges that the original is it’s own thing with its own ideas and tries to take the premise in other directions.
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Xenomrph posted:I liked the Robocop remake more than most, I think it’s because it did what a lot of remakes fail to do: it took the general premise (a grievously-injured cop turned into a robot crime fighter) and did a lot of different and novel things with it that the original movie didn’t do. Were those things necessarily “better” than what the original did? Maybe not, but at least it wasn’t a beat-by-beat retread and it as willing to try different things while keeping the core premise intact. Agreed. It was its own movie. Hard to compare to the original, so go a new direction with it. Slegehammer! did a fun parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgFakHQcBeo
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Only think I hated about the new Robocop remake is that they made the news and Samuel Jackson just straight out right Fox wing extremists. There was no satire to them at all. If you had Samuel blow harding on, then instantly turning to sell armor piercing ammo or such, that would have improved it.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Resurrection has that aggressive mid-to-late 90's music video aesthetic James Cameron and Trent Reznor hosed and had a baby that was turned into a concept album which was then adapted into Resurrection.
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Jay_Zombie posted:My take on that is that since Ripley and the Alien Queen were cloned, they fudged around with some of the genetics and found that each took on some traits of the other. Like Ripley's acidic blood and sixth sense about xeno's, and the Queen's ability to live birth. I mean, this is a really good attempt to cobble together an explanation of a dumb film decision (and I agree with the poster who said Gediman's Frankenstein babble shouldn't be counted as reliable narration), but the queen literally transitions from oviparity to viviparity over the course of the movie. It just doesn't really track, and it absolutely deflates the entire final arc of the movie, at least for me.
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Beet Wagon posted:I mean, this is a really good attempt to cobble together an explanation of a dumb film decision (and I agree with the poster who said Gediman's Frankenstein babble shouldn't be counted as reliable narration), but the queen literally transitions from oviparity to viviparity over the course of the movie. It just doesn't really track, and it absolutely deflates the entire final arc of the movie, at least for me. First off, thank you. I thought about that more than I probably should have. Second, she's an alien, and a (potentially haphazardly) genetically engineered one at that. Why can't she do both? And like I said, she's not really going full human style reproductive cycle. The Queen is basically Arnold Schwarzenegger in Junior. Jay_Zombie fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Jay_Zombie posted:First off, thank you. I thought about that more than I probably should have. I mean it, it really was good. And to answer your question, switching reproductive strategies is insanely resource-intensive, particularly switching to viviparity, and particularly... over the course of a single individual's lifetime. And maintaining two separate but functional systems is... I don't even know. I get what you're saying, that it's easy to handwave away because "alien" and also because "genetics, idk" and yeah, I will fully admit it is insanely dumb to  the biology of a fictional species, particularly over a bad Joss Whedon movie. You are entirely, completely 100% correct. But it still bugs me.Basically yeah you absolutely can handwave it away, but in a lot of ways switching the alien lifecycle to single live-birth destroys their effectiveness as a species. A human-analogous reproductive system is something approaching a fatal disease (if not literally, at least in terms of the species retaining its life strategy and traits), and I guess maybe having Ripley's DNA be the thing that destroys them is a cool subversion of the sort of viral-esque way xenos use people in the prior movies but for me it's a bit like finding out that the impossibly strong and durable slasher in a slasher movie is actually just a regular guy dying of cancer right at the peak of the story. Idk if that makes sense at all, but it's one of the main reasons resurrection has always been a disappointment for me. I'm fully aware of how dumb it is, but every time I see the movie and it goes all "The queen's giving live birth DUN DUN DUNNNNNN" my eyes roll out of my head. Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Well, you're absolutely right. I decided to stop working from my admittedly spotty recollection and looked it up and Xenopedia specifically states that she did switch reproductive cycles, growing a womb in place of her ovipositor which as you said, means that that's pretty much the end of the species at least as far as that particular hive/strain of Xeno on the USM Auriga goes. It's not a great movie, hell it's not even a very good movie. But it is fun and it definitely has a few really great moments. "Hey, Ripley. I heard you, like, ran into these things before?" "That's right." "Wow, man. So, like, what did you do?" "I died."
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Resurrection has that aggressive mid-to-late 90's music video aesthetic Resurrection is a gorgeously designed and directed film. The cinematography owns. The score owns. The cast owns. Everything about that movie owns except the script.
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I mean I guess maybe the intent was to have them be like aphids, some of which do give live birth, but those aphids that do are pretty much constantly farting out a continuous stream of clones from an ovipositor-like structure (vivipositor?) like an assembly line. But like... I dunno they really made it seem very human-analogous which implies there's a huge amount of resources being spent on producing small numbers of offspring. Which is a shame because like you said it has some gems in it, and even though it's not good it is a bummer to feel deflated by the last bit. Maybe in my head I'll just choose to believe they sacrificed some of the weird body horror of the egg/embryo system to make the queen into an aphid. A scary aphid.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Resurrection has that aggressive mid-to-late 90's music video aesthetic Biplane posted:James Cameron and Trent Reznor hosed and had a baby that was turned into a concept album which was then adapted into Resurrection. Alien 3 was directed by someone who literally did a 90s Trent Reznor music video. I believe Alien 3 was his first movie too. You can REALLY tell too. Seems like he just used the exact same camera filter for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFwQP86BRs edit: I was corrected. He didn't do closer. He did Only. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Saturnalia posted:Resurrection is a gorgeously designed and directed film. The cinematography owns. The score owns. The cast owns. I hated a lot of the camera shots. They reminded me of some silly 90s movie. Shots like where they zoom up really close to a face in a comical manner just looks so.... loony? cheap? silly? I can't think of the word. I didn't like resurrection when I first saw it. I mean, I still don't like it. But there are just a few ideas or shots that make it ok the more I watch it. Plus, Ron Perlman and Winona Ryder.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Alien 3 was directed by someone who literally did a 90s Trent Reznor music video. I kept thinking "David Fincher didn't direct the video for Closer" but he did direct Only. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvLlEtxX3o
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Android Apocalypse posted:I kept thinking "David Fincher didn't direct the video for Closer" but he did direct Only. Whoops, you're right. He didn't do Closer. Closer looks exactly like Alien 3. Weird.
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Fincher did feature “Closer” in the opening credits from ‘Se7en’, though.
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Xenomrph posted:Fincher did feature “Closer” in the opening credits from ‘Se7en’, though. Neat. Se7en had some of that same filter too it seems. Not extreme though. Like a brownish haze.
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Having a Xeno as a roommate would suck. Probably have to rebuild the bathroom every time they take a leak. Also, that fucker will probably play guitar when you're trying to sleep or watch a movie.
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Holy poo poo I want to see a Let's Play of that.
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Jay_Zombie posted:Having a Xeno as a roommate would suck. Probably have to rebuild the bathroom every time they take a leak. Everything it'd eat would have the back side of it blasted out all over the floor. Doubt he'd clean it up either.
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I have a confession to make. Resurrection was the first movie I ever saw on the big screen. I still have no idea how Ripley's DNA can enable an Alien queen to be born in her as well. drat Hollywood sci fi wackiness.
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Jay_Zombie posted:Having a Xeno as a roommate would suck. Probably have to rebuild the bathroom every time they take a leak. 
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Everything it'd eat would have the back side of it blasted out all over the floor. Can't get into the kitchen cupboards because they're all covered in resin. 
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And every morning you would have get rid of the dog or hobo corpse he caught during the night.
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Kung Food posted:It's predators that are the real rear end in a top hat roommates. They're actually very close. Predator is just a notorious practical joker. 
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happyhippy posted:And every morning you would have get rid of the dog or hobo corpse he caught during the night. Can't use the garage, it's full of eggs. Fear of spiders is nothing compared to getting up to pee at 4 am and stepping on a facehugger in the dark in your bare feet.
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Keltar posted:I have a confession to make. Some of the “logic” is that the facehugger might not be inserting an embryo inside the host so much as reprogramming the host’s body to grow the Alien embryo like a cancer. We know the chestburster grows in the chest cavity, but it’s not growing in the stomach (which is located below the ribs) or the lungs (which are not hollow). We know the facehugger is pumping something into the host body and it’s not obstructing the airway, so the end of the facehugger’s ovipositor could be sticking itself to the wall of the esophagus (or piercing through it, I guess, although this presents a problem when the facehugger dies and falls off because now you have a gaping wound in the esophagus wall) and pumping stuff directly into the chest cavity which would grow into an Alien. Or it could be dumping material into the host’s stomach which the host body digests and reprograms the body to grow an embryo in the chest cavity (and in doing so, the Alien takes some of the host’s traits at a genetic level). You could argue that if the facehugger is mucking around with the host at a genetic level that it’s a two-way street and some Alien genetic material is left behind in the host, and it doesn’t matter to the host because they’re ultimately dead anyway. Aliens are fuckin’ weird, man.
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You. Your roommate.  Your roommates mom who is always dropping by to check on him.  And she brings your roommates little brother.  You.  e
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Talkin' bout Aliens And...... tea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_EZUOnRO3U That guy has a lot of fun videos talking about Aliens, Predator, Terminator, etc and a bunch of other stuff too. Jay_Zombie fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Some pretty good Terminator talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJsIyAmwheU
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Jay_Zombie posted:Talkin' bout Aliens Thanks for posting, that was informative and entertaining!
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Maya Fey posted:anyone watch that Memories: the Origins of Alien documentary? worth a watch? It was okay. Lot of sidebars about mythological monsters and stuff. Also a weird like... interpretive dance. Some cool interviews though.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Thanks for posting, that was informative and entertaining! Welcome. Check out his other videos. There's just a bunch of stuff about lots of different movies mentioned in this thread. There's definitely some stuff I didn't know about. I'm watching one now about Robert Patrick playing the T-1000, and the scene where he's chasing John Conner on the dirtbike..... Patrick was so fast he caught him. Because he'd been practicing running without looking tired (because he's a robot) and he just got really loving fast. And James Cameron was like, well poo poo, movie's over, John Conner is dead. We should probably do another take, can this bike go any faster? This one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3f2Dtj5hI
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Drunk post. This is just slightly on the edge (eh not really) but Starship Troopers fits in with the whole Alien, Terminator, Predator, Robocop, possibly Total Recall stuff. Can't remember all of the movies that we agree that fits in. We all know though. I've probably posted about this movie before. I saw Starship Troopers in the theater in 1997 at maybe 14 years old. It had quite the impression on me. It uh... might have played a role in me joining the Marine Corps. At the time I was of course a very dumb 14 year old so I didn't see the genius of the movie and the satire Verhoeven put into it. I took it at face value. A perfect and peaceful militaristic society where everyone was super happy. Right. And we don't see the behind the scenes stuff. Like taking "10 lashes in public square." Anyone who is dumb enough to break the law should get 10 lashings! I'm slightly smarter now and understand how terrible that is. Anyway, I just turned it on right now and drat, this is such a good movie. I turned it on for one reason. To see the Klendathu Drop. I will watch the whole movie just to see this scene (which the entire movie is absolutely fantastic anyway). This is probably one of my favorite scenes in any movie that exists. Huge, epic invasion. A battle where everyone knows they are up against a tough enemy. Everyone knows they could die. They think that the "bugs" are dumb animals and have no strategic ability. They are all extremely anxious when they are dropping down on a dropship that might bring them to their death. But they suck it up, like any good soldier (Marine) and ramp themselves up to fight. They won't die. They'll kill. Then, the drop happens. The score literally gives me goosebumps. I'm dead serious. The hair on my forearms and the back of my neck stand up. I start breathing heavily. I get very emotional when it comes to movies. Very much so. I can put myself in the position of the characters. Sometimes I cry during movies. It's just too much to take sometimes. Starship Troopers, of all movies, gets me emotional. There's always some odd one that truly gets to me. And this is one of them. Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rx8_vjbXX4
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