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Blinkz0rz posted:post the salary range with the job posting and save everyone a bunch of time
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joke's on us, companies don't have to carry computer touchers on their own payrolls
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Feb 6, 2020 20:57
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successfully avoided saying a number in a phone screen and they said the range is 130%-180% of my current base so yeah do that you guys, 2nd round next week. 
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Feb 6, 2020 21:03
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Just had a recruiter try to recruit me for a senior-level Linux kernel developer job. Salary range: $95k-$115k plus relocation assistance to Kansas City 
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Feb 6, 2020 22:01
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relocating is such a loving weird thing in 2020, to me if you gotta get out, you gotta get out, but what if you already live in chicago or seattle or nyc or something? there's a ton of tradeoffs.
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Feb 7, 2020 00:46
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It would take probably double that offer for me to even consider living in Kansas City.
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Feb 7, 2020 01:27
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barkbell posted:ya i think it's that, plus they need me to start 2/15. recruiter just emailed me this morning saying oops he was looking at the wrong position and this one is actually an amount thats not much over what i currently make. i told him that doesnt work and good luck in your search. Good power move, let us know when they call you back with a better offer.
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Feb 7, 2020 01:36
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met with a recruiter on Monday who called me a "rare stallion" lol
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JawnV6 posted:hey, don't work there i realize the thread consensus is already "your company bad" but just wanted to address this, the candidate does not have to write exactly 70k, anything less than about 85k and we're at least in the same ballpark so they pass the filter. if they put 65k that's great! 60k is even better! 0 or $1 or whatever placeholder for "i'm not answering that question" means "ok then, i'm not interviewing you"
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Feb 7, 2020 02:17
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i mean, anybody that knows enough about interviewing to not answer that question also probably knows enough to not take $70k in the bay, so tbh that's a pretty reasonable move. the unreasonable thing of course is continuing to work there
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Feb 7, 2020 02:26
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"met with a recruiter on Monday who called me a rare stallion" <bad luck brian> "basashi"
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Feb 7, 2020 03:13
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Devonaut posted:met with a recruiter on Monday who called me a "rare stallion" lol did you tell him your cover fee?
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Feb 7, 2020 03:31
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The offer from my current company was 60% higher than what I was being paid at my old company, but yes I was underpaid.
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Feb 7, 2020 08:45
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Jabor posted:Good power move, let us know when they call you back with a better offer. last night. is contracting good? do you learn more faster that way?
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Feb 7, 2020 13:20
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barkbell posted:
this question is nearly meaningless hth
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Feb 7, 2020 14:22
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i should clarify, is giving up a good mentor to chase some money contracting early in career a good call? i understand it's case-by0case, and i'm unfamiliar with contracting maybe you learn lots and get mentored that way, but is there a general rule to go by?
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Feb 7, 2020 14:28
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Devonaut posted:met with a recruiter on Monday who called me a "rare stallion" lol this recruiter was DTF and you missed your shot
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Feb 7, 2020 15:36
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third interview today. i’m told is “just an informal chat that’s really an opportunity for you to ask more questions about the role” and lol if you think i’m falling for that one
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Feb 7, 2020 16:22
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jesus WEP posted:third interview today. i’m told is “just an informal chat that’s really an opportunity for you to ask more questions about the role” and lol if you think i’m falling for that one what, is that code for "we've written up an offer and hope you're too flustered to negotiate"?
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Feb 7, 2020 16:56
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I assume they’re gonna ask me a bunch of questions because I’ve had two technicals with almost no questions otoh you could be right because they’ve scheduled these interviews basically one day after the other, they might be desperate to get people in
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Feb 7, 2020 16:57
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jesus WEP posted:third interview today. i’m told is “just an informal chat that’s really an opportunity for you to ask more questions about the role” and lol if you think i’m falling for that one Our "informal chat" stage has a multipage document about what questions to ask, examples of good answers and red flags, and how to sell the role.
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Feb 7, 2020 17:05
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pointsofdata posted:Our "informal chat" stage has a multipage document about what questions to ask, examples of good answers and red flags, and how to sell the role. what are some good red flags
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Feb 7, 2020 17:07
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barkbell posted:i should clarify, is giving up a good mentor to chase some money contracting early in career a good call? i understand it's case-by0case, and i'm unfamiliar with contracting maybe you learn lots and get mentored that way, but is there a general rule to go by? overall it's a job but with extra paperwork and less security and I've found the money to not be as good as it used to be, 12 years ago contracting would usually be 30-50% more than full time and it pretty much never goes up if you stay put. my current full time job pays only 10% less than my previous contract. that said certain jobs like contracting for a consulting company will pay pretty well but then you're like double not an employee and consulting sucks balls
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Feb 7, 2020 17:19
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agreeing with qirex contracting is good if you need a job right away or if youre looking to switch career tracks or break into a particular company. but its generally no raises, crummy benefits, no security, and lots of small reminders that you arent a "real" employee. "contract to hire" is a scam 90% of the time - the company never quite gets around to the "...to hire" part (but theyll happily string you along with muttering about next quarter, when the new budget comes out, etc etc) full time employment is better than contracting on almost every level
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Feb 7, 2020 17:25
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ty those are some good perspectives got the benefits sheet and its like 1.5% match and nothing else, bleh
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Feb 7, 2020 17:29
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Don't contract unless you need the job imo, I've been lied to about every contract I've ever done. They will never hire you off contract no matter how much they say they want to.
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Feb 7, 2020 18:45
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the only reason I’d do contracting would be some kind of consultant/client relationship
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Feb 7, 2020 19:22
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If you want to do contracting, make sure you bill the company for a lot of money. Contracting is a total scam if it's anything less than double the takehome pay you'd be happy with at a permanent gig. Also remember that it'll end, so make sure you've got something lined up for when that happens. Like if you'd be happy with a 150k/yr salary in a permanent position, don't contract for less than 40 hours/week @ $150/hour. Also contracting agencies are rent-seeking parasites who will skim a shocking amount of money off the top in exchange for nothing. If your target company wants you to use a contracting agency, negotiate with that agency about how much margin they get. There is literally nothing the agency does that is worth 25% of the price they're billing for you. And it's probably more open for negotiation than you'd think. You have a lot of leverage if the company already wants you. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 19:33
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Progressive JPEG posted:the only reason I’d do contracting would be some kind of consultant/client relationship if you are really a consultant you’re an employee of the consultancy and you get paid at least a base salary by your employer even when on the bench, otherwise its just a contracting agency calling itself a consultancy.
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Feb 7, 2020 19:39
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Poopernickel posted:Contracting is a total scam if it's anything less than double the takehome pay you'd be happy with at a permanent gig. Also remember that it'll end, so make sure you've got something lined up for when that happens. it's almost impossible to negotiate a rate with a contract agency even though they are keeping 30% of your billed dollars, maybe 5 bucks an hour or something, the only time I've successfully done it was by playing 2 contract agencies against each other
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the position is w2 through a staffing agency that happens to have its own team that makes products, this one would be for a bank. i guess i'm just being cautious because a year ago i was filing papers as an auditor, and i don't want to do some dumb poo poo at the beginning of my computer touching career.
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Negotiating for a bigger cut of the billed hours probably won't hurt you. The worst thing that'll happen is your staffing agency will say no. And really the agency isn't your friend in the first place so it doesn't matter if they don't like you. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 20:07
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yeah you might as well ask for more money if they sound really interested one other experience I've had with contract companies is they usually try to get your butt in a seat as fast as possible, sometimes before the client is even ready for you to start. I sat one place without a real computer or proper network credentials for 2 weeks, easy money but make sure you talk start date with the client
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Feb 7, 2020 20:17
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qirex posted:net120 on invoicing now lmoarf
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Feb 7, 2020 20:20
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talk about pipeline
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Feb 7, 2020 20:20
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last email recruiter offered +50% of my current salary. it gives me a chance to tangentially touch some tech that I am weak in that is popular in my city as well. I’ll make sure to bring up start date in my response. ty for entertaining my dumbass questions barkbell fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 20:31
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JawnV6 posted:talk about pipeline
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Feb 7, 2020 20:37
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ive had a lot of recruiters ask me for salary expectations and today I tried out " I'm not concerned about the salary, employers in the city tend to pay pretty well" and the recruiter said yeah... and moved on
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Feb 7, 2020 21:00
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has anybody figured out a good way to not name the first number? I haven't hit on a good strategy that doesn't annoy the recruiter yet
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interview 3 turned out to exactly what they said it was. a dude over in their hq in florida who was very nice and answered all my questions that the dev here in ireland couldn’t loving weird
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